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Title: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: RachelTG on October 28, 2020, 08:36:04 am
Hi girls,

Not sure what to do with my thoughts but lay them out and see where they go.

On HRT for the 15 months. I had my BA consult yesterday and the surgeon said I was a great candidate. Tried out various sizers and came out to 500cc's. All great, let's get going......

I get home and I see multiple posts saying you need to wait 3,4 maybe 5 years before thinking about BA. So, now I hesitate... Here is my thoughts.

1) I am 68 years old
2) I have been searching for my real self for most of those years
3) Sure, I can wait another 3-5 years but that's 3-5 years less of my new life.
4) Am I being impatient? I don't know

So, there it is. I thought I was all in but why should I wait?
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 28, 2020, 08:44:01 am
Just depends on your body it might grow no more.
For me that was the case,. Waited 4 years and had nothing,
Just had my BA on 7 of September.
Best decision ever.
I'm a 34D now, they are so natural for my body.
And they are not as big as Saying D night make one think :')

You just can't know if you will grow, sometimes it happens in waves and at different times
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: RachelTG on October 28, 2020, 08:59:03 am
Just depends on your body it might grow no more.
For me that was the case,. Waited 4 years and had nothing,
Just had my BA on 7 of September.
Best decision ever.
I'm a 34D now, they are so natural for my body.
And they are not as big as Saying D night make one think :')

You just can't know if you will grow, sometimes it happens in waves and at different times

So let me ask. I see by your profile that you are 30. What if you were 68 like me? Would you have still waited the 4 years? You said there was no growth. Would you have resented waiting till you were 72 to finally get your BA?

Not judging, just asking for perspective.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Oldandcreaky on October 28, 2020, 09:07:44 am
Rachel, BA is a lifetime commitment.

"The FDA recommends replacing breast implants every 10 years, but that's not the only reason women choose to swap them out. ... It is recommended that both silicone breast implants and saline breast implants be replaced every 10 years or so...."

Can you accept the possibility of going under the knife again in a decade?

I'm shared many times at Susan's that I'm small-breasted. I've lived 35 years with small breasts and don't regret the decision to stay small a whit of a bit. All the men over the years enjoyed my natural breasts and I've enjoyed not having to wear a bra.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: RachelTG on October 28, 2020, 09:33:29 am
Rachel, BA is a lifetime commitment.

"The FDA recommends replacing breast implants every 10 years, but that's not the only reason women choose to swap them out. ... It is recommended that both silicone breast implants and saline breast implants be replaced every 10 years or so...."

Can you accept the possibility of going under the knife again in a decade?

I'm shared many times at Susan's that I'm small-breasted. I've lived 35 years with small breasts and don't regret the decision to stay small a whit of a bit. All the men over the years enjoyed my natural breasts and I've enjoyed not having to wear a bra.

I am glad you are happy with your choice. I am aware that the average life of implants is 10 years and that is a factor in my decision. Is not doing a ba going to continue to be a part of my dysphoria or ?

Thanks for your thoughts

Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Jessica_Rose on October 28, 2020, 09:49:55 am
After two years of HRT, I was a padded 36B. All of the growth occurred during the first year, absolutely no growth during year two. I was already scheduled for GCS in Feb 2019, so I decided to get a BA as well. I told my surgeon to 'go big'. She used sizers during surgery to determine the largest ones which would fit, and I wound up with 425cc cohesive silicone ('gummy bear') implants. I'm now a 36D. They are awesome! Even if I need to replace them in 10 years, I'm still happy that I did it. We aren't getting any younger, and if that what it takes to be happy, then that's what I'm going to do! We endured decades of pain before being able to free our souls, now it's time to have fun and enjoy life. By the way, I'm 58.

Love always -- Jessica Rose
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Oldandcreaky on October 28, 2020, 10:32:59 am
I am glad you are happy with your choice. I am aware that the average life of implants is 10 years and that is a factor in my decision. Is not doing a ba going to continue to be a part of my dysphoria or ?

Thanks for your thoughts

Rachel, hundreds of millions of women will tell you that their breasts are a big part of their womanhood. I think I'm in the minority when I shrug at bigger breasts, but I'm guessing that there are many women who also don't care. Having smaller breasts hasn't impacted my ability to walk freely through the world for decades.   I'm flat, but I'm still seen as female and I still feel female. Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: sandrauk on October 28, 2020, 10:52:24 am
I restarted HRT 9 years ago at 60. My breasts are probably still growing but it's so slow it's hard to tell.

My growth has been more than most (I fit a 36dd bra which I fill completely but I don't wear a bra as they make my nipples ache ) I would say go for the BA.

Like Rachel says, even a DD is not that big and I'm still not not socially out. I can't see it would be a problem even in the unlikely event that you get as much growth as me.

I look at most women and they are much bigger than me
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 28, 2020, 11:47:49 am
So let me ask. I see by your profile that you are 30. What if you were 68 like me? Would you have still waited the 4 years? You said there was no growth. Would you have resented waiting till you were 72 to finally get your BA?

Not judging, just asking for perspective.

Yeah I know I started when I turned 26, I would have less hope of them growing if I was older though.
So I would probably do it sooner yes.
In my case though my age was false hope and they never grew anyway, hindsight I guess! Lol
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: AllieSF on October 28, 2020, 03:06:15 pm
Rachel,

I had my BA last year at age 72.  I was on hormones over 2 years and had minimal growth and at my age that growth was not really attractive!  I had my BA just a year ago and am very glad that I did,  Though I have some issues on the surgeons work and the final results. Ass always, and especially for me, YMMV!

Since I have have had them for over a year, they have settled (lowered down from where they started), while at the same time I have had some continued growth because of my HRT.  I know because they are a little sore right by the nipple.  I do not notice any new growth and only hope that it helps fill in the overall shape of the breasts.

I do recommend waiting about 2 years just to make sure that if there is a sudden spurt of growth at the end of that time period that may affect the size of the implants, you and the doctor can adjust the implant size correctly.  Otherwise, if you want them, then get them, and make sure the doctor is on board with your decision.

Good luck with your decision,

Allie

PS:  I love mine and how they make me look in sun dresses and low cut tops.  I am very happy I made the decision to get them.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: SarahEL on October 28, 2020, 04:18:57 pm
There is what is suggested biologically and what is suggested psychologically..  If those two coincide then great.. If not then you have to make the best choice for you.. From what you write, the benefits outweigh any gains you may make by waiting..
And when it come down to it, it is your body....  be happy...
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: RachelTG on October 28, 2020, 04:58:52 pm
There is what is suggested biologically and what is suggested psychologically..  If those two coincide then great.. If not then you have to make the best choice for you.. From what you write, the benefits outweigh any gains you may make by waiting..
And when it come down to it, it is your body....  be happy...

Thanks to all for the replies. I am planning to proceed with the surgery.

PS to Sarah... It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine....
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: SarahEL on October 28, 2020, 10:33:21 pm


PS to Sarah... It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine....



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Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: mm on October 28, 2020, 11:12:54 pm
AllieSF and Katie76 at your age after getting a BA your breasts are much more perky than any woman with natural breasts.  I hope you both enjoy having them and you may never need to have them replace.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Dorit on October 29, 2020, 09:38:38 am
I just saw this tread. I had my BA last July at 73 years old after 32 months on hormones.  I could not be happier.  If you read the literature you will find that  medical studies that show HRT does not give significant growth for most transgender women, and the growth that does take place is in the first year or so.  This is why in my country with social medicine, GRS and BA are free, they are both recognized as a necessity.   I would only add that you should have a  second consultation about your BA.  I had two, and the doctors recommended different sizes.   I went with the smaller, 300 cc, rather than the larger at 400cc.   
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Dorit on October 29, 2020, 09:40:12 am
AllieSF and Katie76 at your age after getting a BA your breasts are much more perky than any woman with natural breasts.  I hope you both enjoy having them and you may never need to have them replace.

Yes, so true and a delight!  I go braless in hot, humid weather.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Pammie on October 29, 2020, 09:55:17 am
I just saw this tread. I had my BA last July at 73 years old after 32 months on hormones.  I could not be happier.  If you read the literature you will find that  medical studies that show HRT does not give significant growth for most transgender women, and the growth that does take place is in the first year or so.  This is why in my country with social medicine, GRS and BA are free, they are both recognized as a necessity.   I would only add that you should have a  second consultation about your BA.  I had two, and the doctors recommended different sizes.   I went with the smaller, 300 cc, rather than the larger at 400cc.
I have to say i’m not sure of your facts that HRT does not give significant growth for most transgender women - the data I have read does not support that nor does it support that most growth takes place in the first year. In my case i’m very happy and I just had a growth spurt between 2.5 and 3 years which is hardly unusual from what I read. I think the danger with this kind of post is people rushing into BA before even giving HRT the time to do it’s magic. I also thing that the word ‘significant’ itself is a subjective one and the need for big boobs a very masculine urge.
Just my views


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Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: RachelTG on October 29, 2020, 10:12:51 am
I have to say i’m not sure of your facts that HRT does not give significant growth for most transgender women - the data I have read does not support that nor does it support that most growth takes place in the first year. In my case i’m very happy and I just had a growth spurt between 2.5 and 3 years which is hardly unusual from what I read. I think the danger with this kind of post is people rushing into BA before even giving HRT the time to do it’s magic. I also thing that the word ‘significant’ itself is a subjective one and the need for big boobs a very masculine urge.
Just my views


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This was the reason for my post. So many opinions. The surgeon I did my consultation with reviewed my history, current growth, time on HRT and my physical frame. He said I was a very good candidate. I am 6'1" tall and 220. After some time with various sizers it has come down to somewhere between 450 and 500cc's. I will re-visit for a final measurement and review before committing.

I will add that one of my challenges is that the cost of this surgery will be paid for to some degree by my Medicare insurance plan. This surgeon is the only one within my network and will take Medicare insurance. He is discontinuing his Medicare relationship at the end of this year. Although not crucial, it is a factor in my decision making.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Pammie on October 29, 2020, 04:34:46 pm
This was the reason for my post. So many opinions. The surgeon I did my consultation with reviewed my history, current growth, time on HRT and my physical frame. He said I was a very good candidate. I am 6'1" tall and 220. After some time with various sizers it has come down to somewhere between 450 and 500cc's. I will re-visit for a final measurement and review before committing.

I will add that one of my challenges is that the cost of this surgery will be paid for to some degree by my Medicare insurance plan. This surgeon is the only one within my network and will take Medicare insurance. He is discontinuing his Medicare relationship at the end of this year. Although not crucial, it is a factor in my decision making.
It clearly is a fairly contentious topic! I think those who have had BA are always going to argue it’s the right thing to do whilst those of us who haven’t will argue it should be the next step after giving HRT at least 3 years.
If I were you I would ask myself 2 questions:
1. Have I given HRT a proper chance to do its thing?
2 . What is my motivation for wanting (much) bigger boobs? - my view is big boobs are a masculine view of what’s the right look
3. Are you ok with more surgery in 10 years time?

I find it quite demeaning when people suggest that BA bags to be part of transition - ifs most certainly just an optional path that many of us do not take

The best news is it’s ur body so u get to decide, the bad news is it’s not an easy call as is the case for any and all surgery


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Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: AllieSF on October 29, 2020, 08:48:58 pm
I gave mine about 2 1/2 years with little good looking growth at all.  Actually, the looks of that growth gave me another kind of body dysmorphia and I definitely wanted to improve those looks.  As to sizing I told the surgeon what I thought I wanted and she basically selected a slightly different and larger size which looked fine to me pre-op.  I had used forms since 2007, and tried different sizes along the way, and in the end had a very good idea of about how big I wanted to go.

Pammie I am not sure how tall you are, but you do look very pleasingly thin.  I am short, 5-5, and have a rectangular upper body with, for my size, a broad chest.  So, small boobs do not and would look good on me even even if they were a little bit larger than my natural growth.  One also has to take into consideration body size frame shape and overall look of the final product.  Also, one's personal likes/choices may be different from that of others with no one being right or wrong in what they like.  If they make one happy, then why not go for it?  With the number of very inexpensive breast forms available out there, one can experiment and get close to the proper size that they think fits their body and eye.

As for post op satisfaction, I like the size of mine, but according to my surgeon, she stated that she should have used a bigger and wider implant than she did because I have an obvious 5 finger gap between each boob, which is unacceptable to me.  I like my size, but definitely do not like the spacing, which was the result of a too small implant.  All these are considerations that I never thought about pre-op.

And a definite NO regarding my choice of size being based on some type of masculine view of what I needed.  That may be true for some, but my guess is that common sense in sizing and listening to surgeon's recommendations prevails.  I wanted something that fit my body shape and size and complimented my looks.  I like my current size, specifically did not want something too large, but do to nature actually need to go bigger if I ever determine how to pay for a revision (remove and replace).

Allie
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Dorit on October 30, 2020, 01:38:54 am
It clearly is a fairly contentious topic! I think those who have had BA are always going to argue it’s the right thing to do whilst those of us who haven’t will argue it should be the next step after giving HRT at least 3 years.
If I were you I would ask myself 2 questions:
1. Have I given HRT a proper chance to do its thing?
2 . What is my motivation for wanting (much) bigger boobs? - my view is big boobs are a masculine view of what’s the right look
3. Are you ok with more surgery in 10 years time?

I find it quite demeaning when people suggest that BA bags to be part of transition - ifs most certainly just an optional path that many of us do not take

The best news is it’s ur body so u get to decide, the bad news is it’s not an easy call as is the case for any and all surgery


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Pammie dear, I don't think any of the posts here is suggesting what they did is the right thing for Rachel or for everyone else.  We are all sharing our varied experiences and understandings about what was the right thing for us inorder to help Rachel decide what is right for her.  The same applies to you, you did what is right for you!  I hope we can even rejoice in the variety of life experiences amongst us, it does not have to be seen as "contentious." :)
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 30, 2020, 11:04:27 am
I'm pretty sure for most especially beyond the usual growing period for humans of between 0-21 years, especially when flipping sexes, most breast growth is sub par at best.
And I'm not sure it's all a masculine thing, I know of many natal women who where disappointed with there breasts size. In actual fact breast augmentation was never specifically developed for trans girls.
It's was developed long before the trans experience was ever well known.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Pammie on October 30, 2020, 01:09:49 pm
I'm pretty sure for most especially beyond the usual growing period for humans of between 0-21 years, especially when flipping sexes, most breast growth is sub par at best.
And I'm not sure it's all a masculine thing, I know of many natal women who where disappointed with there breasts size. In actual fact breast augmentation was never specifically developed for trans girls.
It's was developed long before the trans experience was ever well known.
Well, I don’t think i’m aware of any science around your views but we can all have our own views.
I’m just conscious of setting expectations that BA is a must - for me surgery shouldn’t be the first choice in optional areas (I do specifically exclude bottom surgery which in my world is hardly optional but is essential). Still, it’s still just about a free world so people can make their own choices


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Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 30, 2020, 02:58:07 pm
No science, no research what so ever, but I would dare say 99% of all breast surgeries ever done have been on genetic females, and also elective by the recipient.
The percentage may change now as it is now easier for us to exist.
I don't understand how it's a masculine want to have boobs, most that ever chose to have this surgery where female.

Regardless of that aspect of things I highly agree that wee must give atleast 3 years before going for this surgery.
Having growth on top of the implant can be a complication and degrade the aesthetics of the surgery and it initial purpose.
Hindsight is unfortunately useless, but for me after more than 4 years on hormones I had nothing more than bee stings 😭
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Oldandcreaky on October 30, 2020, 03:12:03 pm
No science, no research what so ever, but I would dare say 99% of all breast surgeries ever done have been on genetic females, and also elective by the recipient.
The percentage may change now as it is now easier for us to exist.
I don't understand how it's a masculine want to have boobs, most that ever chose to have this surgery where female.

Regardless of that aspect of things I highly agree that wee must give atleast 3 years before going for this surgery.
Having growth on top of the implant can be a complication and degrade the aesthetics of the surgery and it initial purpose.
Hindsight is unfortunately useless, but for me after more than 4 years on hormones I had nothing more than bee stings 😭

More cons:

General anesthesia is always a risk.
External scars.
Internal scar tissue that forms over time.
The implants can change shape over time.

A big plus:

If you have nothing but bee stings, go for it, girl!
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Pammie on October 30, 2020, 05:27:33 pm
No science, no research what so ever, but I would dare say 99% of all breast surgeries ever done have been on genetic females, and also elective by the recipient.
The percentage may change now as it is now easier for us to exist.
I don't understand how it's a masculine want to have boobs, most that ever chose to have this surgery where female.

Regardless of that aspect of things I highly agree that wee must give atleast 3 years before going for this surgery.
Having growth on top of the implant can be a complication and degrade the aesthetics of the surgery and it initial purpose.
Hindsight is unfortunately useless, but for me after more than 4 years on hormones I had nothing more than bee stings
We agree on some things but you are disingenuous both about percentages - you seemed to be quoting facts but really they were uninformed opinions (that’s ok but you need to make clear they are not actual facts) and the masculine bit was not about wanting to have boobs but that boobs need to be big  - anyway, life is too short to argue! As always, YMMV and we’re all individuals


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Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 30, 2020, 05:43:36 pm
What I'm saying is certainly not fact, as advised no science or research in anyway backs the statement.
Just a wild guess.
The problem was never big boobs, but simply bigger boobs, alot of us end up with unsatisfactory growth.
Alot of XX females also experience this issue.
Of course it is indoctrinated into our minds what we should big full breasts even though there is no actual standard.
It's the same as when we become women, so many are not happy with just being women, they want to be beautiful women.
It's all fakes standards that we all feel we need to live up to.

Me personally I would have been happy if I got a handful, it's just didn't happen.
Out of the 3 sizes I tried in consultation 280cc was the smallest, and I was worried about them being too big, I told the doctor I wanted them to proportionate to my size but airing on the smaller size, I wanted him to here what I wanted and make the decision on them because they cannot be judged perfectly outside the body. I wanted his experience to work out what I wanted.
For me now, after nearly 2 months post opp they are really perfect for me and I can sleep back on my side like I always did.
I do wish they had grown though, and I wish I could say I was all natural.
But I feel I forfeited the ability to say that anyway when I begun down this path.
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Oldandcreaky on October 30, 2020, 06:30:50 pm
You were wise to go with the smallest of the three sizes. Leading with one's breasts can be irritating.

I come from a family of small-breasted women. One of my three sisters had a mastectomy. She had that removed breast rebuilt and the other breast enhanced. Now, when we go into a restaurant, she'll doff her jacket to reveal her low cut top, no matter how cold it is outside. She's always needed abundant attention from strangers and now she has a shortcut. Meanwhile, while she's posing, I'm visiting with my other sisters. 
Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Rachel on November 01, 2020, 04:34:28 pm
Hi Rachel, My Target bra is an Auden 38D. I think I need a DD and the 38 is on the 1st of three hoops. I measure 36 under the breasts and 43 over the breasts. I have 550 cc mentor partially under the muscle. I am 169 pounds and 6'1".

I had the BA in 2017 but was supposed to have it in 2016 with my GCS but there were complications. I had been on hormones for 4.5 year and had an a cup.

The further you are away from puberty the lower your growth hormone levels. HGH and hormones help to form the body.

If you are active larger boobies will need support with a proper bra. I like Anita. If you invasion large breasts 500 cc on a larger frame may not be ideal. You may want to get some rice , put it in a bag (s) and get a larger bra and try wearing it for a little while. You really only get one chance and going from relatively nothing to larger with a BA. The BA will look big at first but in a little time it may feel a bit small. Mentor makes up to 800cc for reference.

I like my 550 cc mentor but would have gone up to 700 to 800 had I have a second chance when I had the BA. I lost 53 pounds and am now 38 under the boob so it is more appropriate now. If I had 800 cc I would be really big, perhaps a little too big. I am sure I would be fine but just some thoughts to consider.

Rachel





You will need help for three days or so as lifting your arms up above a certain height will be painful with pain meds.

Title: Re: Sometimes you confuse me BA
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 10, 2020, 12:34:50 pm
The main reason people suggest waiting a few years before Breast Augmentation is that you may either get it naturally, or you'll get a little extra breast tissue to help make the breast augmentation appear a bit more natural.  I'd say, if you found a surgeon that you trust and they say that you can get the results you want now (and you're not opposed to the idea of implants)... then go for it.  The worst thing that can happen by getting the breast augmentation early in transition is that you run the risk of them getting even bigger later on.  The surgeon should be able to tell you all the ins and outs of it to your satisfaction.  It's not much different than an 18 year old getting implants and then getting pregnancy breast growth. The implants just push your breast tissue forward, having them won't stop you from developing more.