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Title: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: stephaniec on May 26, 2018, 02:16:49 am
Pope condemns conformation surgery

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/10/pope-condemns-gender-confirmation-surgery-transgender-people/#.Wwb09RW9Xx8.facebook

Pink News/by  Bill Browning    10/07/2017

'conformation surgery for transgender people'
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: HappyMoni on May 26, 2018, 06:32:55 am
Thanks for posting this Stephanie. The pope and I have a mutual understanding, he doesn't believe in what I'm doing and I don't believe in what he's doing.
Moni
Not a bash, mods, a statement of factual reality!
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Gertrude on May 26, 2018, 06:51:11 am
Yet recently, he told a gay man god made him that way. I think the pope has a disconnect somewhere in his understanding.


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Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Mendi on May 26, 2018, 07:01:31 am
Funny to hear that man telling something about manipulating children...
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: LucyEgo on June 06, 2018, 04:41:20 am
I am a religious. I err more towards the conservative side. However I do believe the pope is wrong.

Firstly, whether the Church likes it or not, for everything they say about being made in God's image, there is the problem that nature isn't perfect. Nature makes mistakes. There are autoimmune conditions, blindness, deafness, congenital birth defects, all manner of issues.

We would think nothing of taking various pills, potions and tablets to help ourselves. Even so far as eye glasses, hearing aids and hair pieces.

What is the difference with transgender surgery? You are, for want of a better expression, correcting a mistake of nature in order to bring your physical body into congruence with who you truly are.

I see nothing wrong with it.

Lucy
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Paige on June 06, 2018, 10:06:00 am
I am a religious. I err more towards the conservative side. However I do believe the pope is wrong.

Firstly, whether the Church likes it or not, for everything they say about being made in God's image, there is the problem that nature isn't perfect. Nature makes mistakes. There are autoimmune conditions, blindness, deafness, congenital birth defects, all manner of issues.

We would think nothing of taking various pills, potions and tablets to help ourselves. Even so far as eye glasses, hearing aids and hair pieces.

What is the difference with transgender surgery? You are, for want of a better expression, correcting a mistake of nature in order to bring your physical body into congruence with who you truly are.

I see nothing wrong with it.

Lucy

Lucy, when you take a leap of "faith", logic is often left behind.

Take care,
Paige :)
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Paige on June 06, 2018, 10:19:12 am
When I read this article, I feel angry and bullied.  The Pope, the leader of the largest Christian denomination, is openly hostile to the transgender community.  Is there any other way to interpret this?
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: LucyEgo on June 06, 2018, 11:51:24 am
No. There's no other way to interpret this. He's flat out wrong.

The problem is, just because someone is a Christian, or even the Pope, doesn't make them infallible. They approach things with their own prejudices and misunderstandings. They don't have enough information available to make a decision. They make mistakes. They get things wrong. We get things wrong. We all do. Across all walks of life. We're not all at the same point in our respective journeys, some are younger, some are older, some lack the exposure, others don't learn as fast. The best we can do is accept that and try and get our message across with love and understanding.

Some however are just plain bigoted.

As I say, I think especially in the case of trans people, that, reassignment, or HRT, should be seen just like someone taking a steroid cream for a rash, or having surgery to remove a birth mark. I don't mean to minimise what anyone goes through, Im just trying to get across that it should be seen as normal, allowing you to be who you want to be truly are. We wouldn't let any one suffer with any other medical condition, why should trans be any different?

Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Devlyn on June 06, 2018, 12:12:06 pm
It's not like the Catholic church covers GRS for its members and this impacts the waiting list..... :laugh:

If the headline read "Pope condemns infield fly rule" it still wouldn't matter to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Paige on June 06, 2018, 03:08:40 pm
It's not like the Catholic church covers GRS for its members and this impacts the waiting list..... :laugh:

If the headline read "Pope condemns infield fly rule" it still wouldn't matter to me.  ;D

Unfortunately Devlyn, it's not just any opinion.  The Pope is very influential around the world and this sort of thing can make it very difficult for many transgender people.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Devlyn on June 06, 2018, 03:39:35 pm
Unfortunately Devlyn, it's not just any opinion.  The Pope is very influential around the world and this sort of thing can make it very difficult for many transgender people.

He has no influence on medical care or legal issues. I  assure you my transgender Jewish friends don't care a whit about what the pope says. Neither should anyone else.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: big kim on June 06, 2018, 05:04:31 pm
Old man in white dress who covers up for his kiddy fiddling mates tells me I'm doing wrong. ZFG
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: jill610 on June 06, 2018, 05:54:00 pm
As a Catholic, I find this very sad. As a human I find this disturbing. And as a person who happens to also be transgender, unfortunately this seems to be the theme lately in politics.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Paige on June 07, 2018, 07:37:35 pm
He has no influence on medical care or legal issues. I  assure you my transgender Jewish friends don't care a whit about what the pope says. Neither should anyone else.

Hi Devlyn,

I'm not worried about you.  I imagine you have no problem taking care of yourself.  But I do worry about transgender children brought up in traditional Catholic families.

Take care,
Paige :)
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Devlyn on June 07, 2018, 07:46:34 pm
If you're going to play the  "But-what-about-the-children" card,  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion) I'll fold.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: HappyMoni on June 07, 2018, 08:06:03 pm
If you don't think the pope has influence, look how many Catholics are on the Supreme Court in recent years.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: DawnOday on June 07, 2018, 08:32:17 pm
That makes us even. As I condemn the Catholic cult. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Janes Groove on June 07, 2018, 10:03:58 pm
This is the kind of lukewarm stuff the Catholic Church has been selling to the LBGT community.
i.e.,

1.  It's OK to be gay as long as you never act on those "feelings."
2.  It's OK to be trans as long as you don't pursue HRT or GCS.

It's really an unsustainable and ridiculous argument.  Kind of like the whole,  "Nope, the Sun revolves around the Earth" nonsense that the Church clung to for so long.

Sorry. No sale.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Swedishgirl96 on February 25, 2019, 01:33:05 pm
I condemn the pope.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Lexi B on February 25, 2019, 02:33:18 pm
From the same guy who allowed abusive priests to ruin children’s lives. Oh yeah, I’ll trust in his wisdom. </sarcasm>
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: LizK on February 25, 2019, 08:01:22 pm
I am not concerned about what is under his dress and he should not be concerned with what is under mine.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: NatalieRene on February 25, 2019, 08:26:27 pm
Jesus said if your eye offends you pluck it out. How is this any different? If our gender dysphoria is so great that we must transition rather then self destruct God flat out said it is ok.

The pope IMo is no more then a mouth piece. People that listen to him sadly are puppets and will eventually be the ones believing the pope when the pope endorses the antichrist.

I’m Christian but I’m not catholic and they are borderline idle worshipers. I’d say Catholics today are not what they where way back when but this is the same group that was selling absolution and why the church fragmented in the first place.
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: Linde on February 25, 2019, 11:20:51 pm
Jesus said if your eye offends you pluck it out. How is this any different? If our gender dysphoria is so great that we must transition rather then self destruct God flat out said it is ok.

The pope IMo is no more then a mouth piece. People that listen to him sadly are puppets and will eventually be the ones believing the pope when the pope endorses the antichrist.

I’m Christian but I’m not catholic and they are borderline idle worshipers. I’d say Catholics today are not what they where way back when but this is the same group that was selling absolution and why the church fragmented in the first place.
It would be really nice, if you would tone down your Catholic bashing a little!  I grew up Catholic (i tend to be Methodist leaning now), but I still don't like to have the religion bashed with which my family lived for centuries (by the way, it now seems as if the Baptist church has as many problems with child abuse).

Would it be asked to much, to tune down the bashing of any religious group, because somebody's feelings will get hurt by it, please?
Title: Re: Pope condemns conformation surgery
Post by: NatalieRene on February 26, 2019, 02:16:32 pm
It would be really nice, if you would tone down your Catholic bashing a little!  I grew up Catholic (i tend to be Methodist leaning now), but I still don't like to have the religion bashed with which my family lived for centuries (by the way, it now seems as if the Baptist church has as many problems with child abuse).

Would it be asked to much, to tune down the bashing of any religious group, because somebody's feelings will get hurt by it, please?

I realize this is a tense situation so I say the following with absolute respect to both you and God.

I’m sorry and I don’t mean to attack anything related to God himself. I’m Lutheran. I will however call out heresy from person(s) when I encounter it and the Pope is a heretic if he concludes things in stark contrast to the bible and more specifically quotes from Jesus conflict with the Pope. How can this be reconciled?

The truth is this blasphemer is speaking against a segment of gods creation that seeks medical care and ignoring the word of Jesus in the process. This will negatively impact us in the here and now which is outrageous because Jesus flat out told people to pluck their eye out if it offends them if it enables them to better serve god. I am better able to serve God alive then dead so transition would be acceptable to Jesus.

Which brings up the point that the quotes about laying down with men is mistranslated and changed the entire meaning. By perpetuating this the Pope will eventually answer to God.

I’m [not] sure if you meant to but I haven’t mocked the church regarding molestation. I have made no such comments however I do believe anyone that molests a minor or rapes anyone should face legal prosecution.