Topic: Getting Clocked:

[Lexi Nexi]

Not sure what this is. I know its not when you are with some one who doesn't pass and people stair at them; I was out with an MFT in her 70's who didn't look female at the time (1 month before HRT) and she was getting stares for wearing a dress. She said that's what clocked was. Seems more like just confusion.

Clocked as I understand it happened to me in the uber the other day. I was sitting in the back which I never do, I don't like the idea of them being my servant's or me being better then the paid help. (I only like being subservient to my man or guy who I am fulfilling him with my feminine needs)  I got into the car wearing make up/ long hair back in a hair band,really girly floral print frilly V shaped shirt that hugs your hourglass, short tight white shorts, pretty white pink sandals with matching toe color spoke in my femaleish/soft voice but clearly the driver was confused because my uber said "Pick up Dave". He kept turning the rear view mirror down to me, my cleavage (finally growing out enough to wear low cut shirts) and maybe my super tight white shorts I was wearing (My legs/feet look 100%fem especially with red polish that looks wet on long elegant toes and feet, sorry bragging about the part I feel 100% about!  ) He even severed over the rumble strips while peeking … twice. I just giggled. Then he would say "So ...Dave?!///" I would just giggle not answering his question. Yes it matters he was middle eastern in that this has happened both positively and negatively before as its a very different couture. Thought I was going to get rapped in a taxi cab once dressed the same way!

I also find if you have a male name in uber they will drive right by you two or three times, is there an easy non paperwork way to fix this?  Sick of calling every time and saying "I look female you just drive by me"


Is that what getting clocked is? This whole expeience is not what I though what it was.


I also heard third hand that two transwoman were out and one was dressed as a guy "but was wearing a female watch band!" had been called sir a few times. She then got upset making a scene telling all around including those who didn't care she was wearing a female watch band and had breasts so they were purposesly  putting her down. In my opinion their brains just subconsciously called it how they saw it. Its been 1.5 years on HRT and I have yet to make a scene. Going to keep that going.


Beeing cloocked is kind  of a good thing it means you fooled them.

[KathyLauren]

"Getting clocked" is when you are trying your best to pass as your true gender, but someone figures out that you are trans anyway.  If you are presenting as female but give a masculine name like Dave, I wouldn't call that getting clocked.  You just confused the poor Uber driver.

The best way to prevent that confusion would be to call for the Uber as Lexi instead of as Dave.

[Lexi Nexi]

Oh but what about him starring at me in the mirror running us of the read?

[zirconia]

It sounds to me like if you gave him a male name and you looked to him like a woman it would be pretty natural for him to stare.

As I understand it, if you'd given him a female name and not given him any other hints you weren't born a woman either, but he'd still realized you're male, then he'd have clocked you.

[Lexi Nexi]

"Getting clocked" is when you are trying your best to pass as your true gender, but someone figures out that you are trans anyway.  If you are presenting as female but give a masculine name like Dave, I wouldn't call that getting clocked.  You just confused the poor Uber driver.

The best way to prevent that confusion would be to call for the Uber as Lexi instead of as Dave.

That's the thing with uber they use your real name off the ID you give them. I guess its a safety thing so if there is a legal issue they know exactly who they are dealing with. So you don't have the option to change the name, the app just says "meet Dave at 123 st on the right". Uber got rid of their 1800 number for customer service and the only two times I got to talk to a real person on the phone is when I got fed up and said I was going to bring them to court. Uber has gone way up in price pays their drivers less then they used to and has gone way down hill. Seems every company in this country starts off good but as soon as they get big or corner a market they just go to heck. Glad the share holders are happy. Unless you own stock this country doesn't give a damn about you.

[Colleen_definitely]

Or perhaps he was thinking of lyrics to a new song he could call A Girl Named Dave as a followup to A Boy Named Sue?

"And he said, "Girl, this world is rough
And if a woman's gonna make it, she's gotta be tough
And I knew I wouldn't be there to help ya along.
So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
I knew you'd have to get tough or die
And it's the name that helped to make you strong."


But anyway getting clocked means you get read (like a clock) as male when presenting female.  Or vise versa for the guys.

[Charlie Nicki]

I also find if you have a male name in uber they will drive right by you two or three times, is there an easy non paperwork way to fix this?  Sick of calling every time and saying "I look female you just drive by me"

You can always say your account is under your brother/boyfriend/best friend's name. Or that somebody else requested the Uber.

[Lexi Nexi]

You can always say your account is under your brother/boyfriend/best friend's name. Or that somebody else requested the Uber.

But you would have to contact the driver every single time and then text or call them. I don't want to distract them when driving or deal with that as the uber app sucks if you have eye sight problems like I do.

[Ryuichi13]

Well, you could always legally change your name.

But what would be the fun in that?

Ryuichi



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[Charlie Nicki]

But you would have to contact the driver every single time and then text or call them. I don't want to distract them when driving or deal with that as the uber app sucks if you have eye sight problems like I do.

Do they always expect the person who requested the Uber to be the one to get in? I always have friends requesting Ubers for me and I don't have any issues, I just walk to the car once I verify the plates and they ask "is this under XXX's name?" And I say yeah and that's it.

[Listlesswanderer]

Not sure what this is. I know its not when you are with some one who doesn't pass and people stair at them; I was out with an MFT in her 70's who didn't look female at the time (1 month before HRT) and she was getting stares for wearing a dress. She said that's what clocked was. Seems more like just confusion.

I am by no means an expert, but I believe I have a good example of someone being clocked. Ironically, I went to professional school with someone who I now understand to be a transwoman, but whom appeared completely female to me at the time--I was extremely smitten with her, and desperate to be with her and she would drop hints constantly but was distant probably due to fear of my rejection, but anyway to the point--we had a professor, an out homosexual man who every day would refer to her as "Mr." even though he plainly could see she was a she.

To me this is an example of clocked, where someone goes out of their way to question the legitimacy of your gender, to call you out so to speak. I would think us folks using the correct gendered bathroom (i.e. MTF using a female restroom or FTM using the male restroom) leads to a lot of folks seeking to "clock" us, to call us out for what they perceive as an inappropriate deviation from the norm worthy of a sort of warrantless "policing". But that's just my non-expert opinion.

If only I could have just told my friend my truth and her mine, I might be happily traveling the world with her now instead of lurking on this forum late at night, but c'est la vie!

[Rachel_Christina]

I am by no means an expert, but I believe I have a good example of someone being clocked. Ironically, I went to professional school with someone who I now understand to be a transwoman, but whom appeared completely female to me at the time--I was extremely smitten with her, and desperate to be with her and she would drop hints constantly but was distant probably due to fear of my rejection, but anyway to the point--we had a professor, an out homosexual man who every day would refer to her as "Mr." even though he plainly could see she was a she.

To me this is an example of clocked, where someone goes out of their way to question the legitimacy of your gender, to call you out so to speak. I would think us folks using the correct gendered bathroom (i.e. MTF using a female restroom or FTM using the male restroom) leads to a lot of folks seeking to "clock" us, to call us out for what they perceive as an inappropriate deviation from the norm worthy of a sort of warrantless "policing". But that's just my non-expert opinion.

If only I could have just told my friend my truth and her mine, I might be happily traveling the world with her now instead of lurking on this forum late at night, but c'est la vie!

He wasn't a gay guy then, just a prick,

If you are a prick, it outweighs all of your other qualities!

[barbie]

Clocked as I understand it happened to me in the uber the other day.

Misgendering or other misidentifications can happen to anybody.

I look striking compared with other women here in S. Korea. I guess my height is the main factor, In hotels, airports, and stores, people speak to me in English, not in Korean, as they think I am from a foreign country. Even in European countries, where there are many women with > 6 feet (184 cm) height, people still look at me. A few weeks ago, in a Canadian airport, one female security woman called me as 'sir', but I did not care so much.

Above all, in most cases, everybody knows who I am, and clocking or passing is meaningless to me. But, whatever my gender is, looking nice is very important to me, and to other people, too.

At Vancouver airport, a few weeks ago:



barbie~~

[Linde]

A few weeks ago, in a Canadian airport, one female security woman called me as 'sir', but I did not care so much.


At Vancouver airport, a few weeks ago:



barbie~~

I don't understand how any body in the world would see a "sir" in you unless she saw you picture on the body scanner?  Those things reveal anything!

[Ryuichi13]

Misgendering or other misidentifications can happen to anybody.

I look striking compared with other women here in S. Korea. I guess my height is the main factor, In hotels, airports, and stores, people speak to me in English, not in Korean, as they think I am from a foreign country. Even in European countries, where there are many women with > 6 feet (184 cm) height, people still look at me. A few weeks ago, in a Canadian airport, one female security woman called me as 'sir', but I did not care so much.

Above all, in most cases, everybody knows who I am, and clocking or passing is meaningless to me. But, whatever my gender is, looking nice is very important to me, and to other people, too.

At Vancouver airport, a few weeks ago:



barbie~~

 

I'm guessing that security guard was blind.  Did she have her seeing eye dog with her, or just her white cane?

Ryuichi

[barbie]

I don't understand how any body in the world would see a "sir" in you unless she saw you picture on the body scanner?  Those things reveal anything!

I'm guessing that security guard was blind.  Did she have her seeing eye dog with her, or just her white cane?

Ryuichi

It is a kind of Type I and II error.
My passport and passing boards clearly show M(ale) or Mr.. But I remember a female security guard at Dulles airport of Washington DC still called me as Ma'am while ransacking me. In LAX, a female security guard certainly recognized me as a female, as usually male guards ransack males and vice versa. She nearly touched my genital area.

Fortunately, in public restrooms for ladies, nobody yet misgendered me.

Some Canadian people politely asked me which pronoun I prefer to be called. They say they have been well educated regarding transgender people.

barbie~~

[Linde]

It is a kind of Type I and II error.
My passport and passing boards clearly show M(ale) or Mr.. But I remember a female security guard at Dulles airport of Washington DC still called me as Ma'am while ransacking me. In LAX, a female security guard certainly recognized me as a female, as usually male guards ransack males and vice versa. She nearly touched my genital area.

Fortunately, in public restrooms for ladies, nobody yet misgendered me.

Some Canadian people politely asked me which pronoun I prefer to be called. They say they have been well educated regarding transgender people.

barbie~~

Wouldn't it be time to change your documentation to female?  You area beautiful, with it women, no matter what your genitals are, or what your documents say!

[Gabrielageo]

Actually, a while ago I meant to ask you about this issue, somehow I figured out you're on the taller side (even before you mentioned it) at least for a Korean; anyway, the point is this: in the states I'm just an average height, but I'm in South America now, and I just noticed how much taller I am, compared to everybody else here (hadn't lived here for the past 40 years); of course, because of the pandemic, I haven't been out yet, but wonder what will it feel when I do and I stand out like a sore thumb

Misgendering or other misidentifications can happen to anybody.

I look striking compared with other women here in S. Korea. I guess my height is the main factor, In hotels, airports, and stores, people speak to me in English, not in Korean, as they think I am from a foreign country. Even in European countries, where there are many women with > 6 feet (184 cm) height, people still look at me. A few weeks ago, in a Canadian airport, one female security woman called me as 'sir', but I did not care so much.

Above all, in most cases, everybody knows who I am, and clocking or passing is meaningless to me. But, whatever my gender is, looking nice is very important to me, and to other people, too.

At Vancouver airport, a few weeks ago:



barbie~~

[barbie]

Actually, a while ago I meant to ask you about this issue, somehow I figured out you're on the taller side (even before you mentioned it) at least for a Korean; anyway, the point is this: in the states I'm just an average height, but I'm in South America now, and I just noticed how much taller I am, compared to everybody else here (hadn't lived here for the past 40 years); of course, because of the pandemic, I haven't been out yet, but wonder what will it feel when I do and I stand out like a sore thumb

Yes. I do remember.

I spent my 30's in the US for about 11 years. When I present myslef as a woman, people there commented I am very tall. Even in northern European cities, people paid attention to me because of my height, but I saw some women taller than me there.

Here in S. Korea, when I wear >10 cm (or 4 inch) heels, I look gigantic regardless of my gender. Even toddlers watch me.



Most women here do not wear high heels. But I like wearing high heels and do not care so much what people think about me.

In South American cities, I tend to care about security, and do not wear high heels. I wear flat sandals or athletic shoes for running away at any time.


@Buenos Aires

barbie~~

[Pammie]

I guess my height is the main factor, Even in European countries, where there are many women with > 6 feet (184 cm) height, people still look at me.

barbie~~

I think you are talking about just a very few European countries, maybe in Holland and maybe Sweden but in most  European countries there are very few women over 6 feet tall sadly. In Manchester I haven’t come across one woman as tall as me (im 1.88m) - it is different in Holland I know.


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