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Offline Kate Thomas

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Voice or no Voice
« on: October 24, 2006, 02:31:57 am »
I ran across this quote today, and thought of the atmosphere, just a few short years ago.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."








Hermann Göring


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Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 07:38:21 pm »
An absolutely chilling observation, KateAlice!

*shiver* Brrrr! *shiver*

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LostInTime

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2006, 09:14:14 am »
Divide and conquer in politics, old hat and that was before the Nazis.

However, it does remind me of this quote:

"It is not the insurrections of ignorance that are dangerous, but the revolts of intelligence."
--James Russell Lowell

and this one as well:

"The mob is easily led and may be moved by the smallest force, so that its agitations have a wonderful resemblance to those of the sea."
--Polybius

And ultimately the People are the ones to be held accountable:

"Arbitrary rule has its basis, not in the strength of the state or the chief, but in the moral weakness of the individual, who submits almost without resistance to the domineering power."
--Friedrich Hatzel
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Brianna

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2006, 06:13:18 pm »
Oy.

I don't hate anyone - but I hate the rat <not allowed> that is doing this. I hate it for the 600,000 people it's murdered. I hate it for it's smirk. I hate it for destroying the country I used to think was full of good people.

Bri
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cindianna_jones

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2006, 07:55:22 pm »
Quote from: Brianna on October 25, 2006, 06:13:18 pm
Oy.

I don't hate anyone - but I hate the rat <not allowed> that is doing this. I hate it for the 600,000 people it's murdered. I hate it for it's smirk. I hate it for destroying the country I used to think was full of good people.

Bri

He can't do it alone.  Our people have let him do it.  It's too bad our society can remember only a couple of years at a time.  Those who can not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Cindi
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LostInTime

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2006, 05:59:35 pm »
Refering Bush to as an it is dehumanising and that is what our detractors do to us.  Remember when one fights monsters, they need be careful they do not become monster themselves.

Ultimately the people are indeed responsible.

"And where once you had the freedom to object, think, and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillence coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror."

V.

"I don't know who you are. Or whether you're a man or a woman. I may never see you or cry with you or get drunk with you. But I love you. I hope that you escape this place. I hope that the world turns and that things get better, and that one day people have roses again. I wish I could kiss you."

Valerie

"There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things."

Machiavelli
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Ricki

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2006, 07:14:26 pm »
I want to be cautious here as not to say too much or say to little but Cindy you stated this Those who can not remember history are doomed to repeat it.
  so very very true and yet we seem to relive pieces of the past in a lot of senses, state by sate, the whole country, wars, politics, you name it?
I wonder and fear for people will we be our own demise?
I have served in the military i am a patriot I do not define that by being a servent now for our country or government, i define that by meaning i would fight to preserve or protect this land for the sake of my friends my family, my neice and nephews, my neighbors, the edlerly who gave early in their lives who could not do it now and the youth the babies our children who its up to us to protect! 
If the US was invaded in a war or whatever my ideals of protecting would be for the purpose of defending the above stated and the ideal as loose as its gotten over the decades that we have a nation of freedom...  would i die for washington and the bureacrats no.. but indirectly my patriotism would benefit them?
anyway my odd ramblings i hope i did not sway from the points in the post?
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Brianna

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2006, 03:11:06 pm »
Quote from: LostInTime on October 26, 2006, 05:59:35 pm
Refering Bush to as an it is dehumanising and that is what our detractors do to us.  Remember when one fights monsters, they need be careful they do not become monster themselves.

In my opinion Bush is the monster. There is no insult, nothing that can be said about that rodent person than matches the unmitigated evil of his soul and his actions.

The only way one could be a monster would be to turn a blind eye to the 600,000 people he slaughtered for his alcoholic pack of lies.

Bri
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LostInTime

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2006, 10:06:17 am »
Again, sinking down to their level is no way to go about trying to educate the masses.

"All civilization has from time to time become a thin crust over a volcano of revolution."
--Havelock Ellis
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Ricki

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2006, 08:20:55 pm »
If we were in a bathroom stall say a unisex one and goerge bush came into the rest room got in started farting-doing his business and just said "hi there" over to your stall would any one of us even know it was him??????
riddle me this Riddle me that..........
Ricki
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cindianna_jones

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2006, 12:57:13 am »
Quote from: Ricki on November 02, 2006, 08:20:55 pm
If we were in a bathroom stall say a unisex one and goerge bush came into the rest room got in started farting-doing his business and just said "hi there" over to your stall would any one of us even know it was him??????
riddle me this Riddle me that..........
Ricki

I probably wouldn't recognize him until he tried to put together a complete sentence..... then I would.

Cindi
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RebeccaFog

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2006, 01:54:16 pm »
   I agree with Brianna entirely, however, when I am at this web site or talking with people, I work very hard at avoiding the topic of the grotesque beast that freely roams about the halls of the White House.

   I work very hard indeed. In fact, I am signing off now in order to avoid my making comments that are so very dehumanizing that they will take me down too.

   I think my blood pressure just shot up. Must.. type... my name .. must... leave... this topic... must... sign... off


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Ricki

Re: Voice or no Voice
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2006, 09:11:13 pm »
Sorry rebecca i would not want to share a nearby stall either ...
Cindianna that was hilarious i got a great laugh out of your reply and i needed that after a long day and week from work thannk you!
Ricki
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