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Were your hormone levels 'normal' for your birth gender pre-transition?

FTM, diagnosed with PCOS (high testosterone levels) pre-transition
FTM, no hormonal imbalances pre-transition
MTF, diagnosed with low testosterone levels pre-transition
MTF, no hormonal imbalances pre-transition
Some other hormone anomaly (explain in comment)
Don't know

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Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« on: March 19, 2011, 06:50:59 pm »
Hey everyone,
Just curious about how common it is to have hormonal imbalances pre-transition.

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 07:38:52 pm »
I'll never know because my doctor never chose to do bloodwork pre-T. I'll be finding out my levels for the first time ever in the next month.

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 07:41:00 pm »
I had the testosterone levels of an 12 year old boy before I started HRT.

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 02:13:15 am »
"Some other hormone anomaly (explain in comment)"

I had excessively high testosterone levels.  That wasn't an option for the poll.
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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 10:38:33 pm »
not excessive, but on the upper end for my age. In a month I have another blood draw scheduled. It should be lower from spiro, I'll just have to see what lower doses can do.

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 10:55:29 pm »
I also had very high T levels when they drew blood to establish my baseline. It took awhile for them to enter and stay in the female range.
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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 04:00:10 am »
I do not know for sure if my T levels was lower before I started HRT. But I came out I felt I been like released and relived and felt like T levels when down. But last week I got my second my second blood test and my T is higher then it was a couple months ago and I do not feel at all now. my doctors are increasing my Sprio. It sucks I feel sick but at least I know why now

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2015, 06:37:30 pm »
I have secondary hypogonadism (below normal male T production), and have signs of having suffered from it all my life.

For anyone wondering what constitutes a "normal" male level of testosterone, as part of the Framington Heart Study, they measured the T levels of 456 of the healthy male participants. According to that study, the average (mean) total T level for a normal, healthy man aged 20 to 40 is 723.8 ng/dl (in the UK units, 25.1 nmol/l). If your total T is below that, then it's below average (although, from my personal experience and what I've seen others saying, symptoms of hypogonadism don't usually start appearing unless it's lower than about 500 ng/dl).

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2015, 11:18:00 pm »
Great question! Looking forward to other answers. My testosterone levels were on the low end of normal for a male my age, but I was pretty surprised to learn that my estrogen levels were also on the low end of normal for a female of my age. In some ways when I learned that my estrogen levels were already that high before hrt, it explained so much about who I was and why I needed hrt to begin with.

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2015, 12:37:20 pm »
You're not alone Natane. When I came out to my Doc, he's known me for quite a few years so when I asked him to order E and T levels there were no questions asked
My results too were somewhat surprising T 320 low normal male
                                                        E 158 low normal for FEMALE off the charts for male.

I've been thinking with numbers like these maybe all I need are AA's
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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2015, 01:17:34 pm »
MTF and did have a check on E and T levels for my own peace of mind. Technically I do fit in the normal range for my age (over 40) at I think anyway around 75 E and 380 T. On the lower end for T and maybe I had it that low for a long time just don't know. Most likely  I did have it low due to an injury in my 20's but I do recall thinking about being trans before that so who knows. 

I do have an off the wall idea though is that the levels do effect our thoughts and how our body works but as for the mind to think what our identity is perhaps the initial wiring pre birth is what regulates what hormones feel right. Perhaps even pre teen years to a lesser degree then pre birth as far as how we Identify. As for when we discover our selves to be off to what feels right that is a lot harder to determine for each individual due to experience and determination of self or what they think is what they are as taught.

In a way it is a fight against how you were naturally born versus what society is telling you what you are yet for most in society that fits and for some like use they don't match then starts the fight of I am but they are telling me I am so which one am I?

Sorry for the ramble and now that I think I guess that's more of a description of GID really and just take this as opinion if I have worded something harmful.
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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2015, 10:20:45 am »
Here is what they said in the study I mentioned earlier:

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Results: In a reference sample of 456 men, mean (SD), median (quartile), and 2.5th percentile values
were 723.8 (221.1), 698.7 (296.5), and 348.3 ng/dl for TT and 141. 8 (45.0), 134.0 (60.0), and 70.0
pg/ml for FT, respectively. In all three samples, men with low TT and FT were more likely to have
slow walking speed, difficulty climbing stairs, or frailty and diabetes than those with normal levels.

(TT and FT = Total and Free Testosterone)

They also say that, for the purposes of the study, total T levels below the 2.5th percentile (i.e. about 350 ng/dl) were deemed to be low (meaning: they're the people with slow walking speed, difficulty climbing stairs, frailty and diabetes, with the implication that people with T levels that low should be placed on some kind of HRT).

Looking at these comments, it would appear that some doctors are telling their patients with total T below 350 ng/dl that it falls in the "normal" range. IMO it's not normal if your T levels put you in the bottom 2.5 percent of the population, and at high risk of experiencing health problems as a result.

Another important point that tends to be overlooked is the fact that that free T, not total T, is the important thing as far as biological effects are concerned, and SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) has a large influence on free T levels. Unfortunately, free T is much more difficult to measure than total T so most laboratories only measure total T, and that's often the only measurement we're given, and the one doctors tend to look at. Nonetheless, free T, not total T, is the important thing as far as your body is concerned. If, like me, you have elevated SHBG levels, the SHBG ties up almost all the T in your system and you can end up with very little free testosterone, even if your figure for total T doesn't look too bad.

Unfortunately they didn't publish the SHBG measurements in that study, but in the hypogonadism forums I belong to, the consensus seems to be that the ideal level for SHBG in males is around 20 nmol/l. In the blood work I've had done, I've averaged about 40, which is no doubt a contributing factor to my developing symptoms of low T.

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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2015, 10:18:18 pm »
Thanks for the info and yes did have a feeling on the fence so to speak as for actual apparent normal level range. Of course I know one sample doesn't always mean much either but is an insight none the less.
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Re: Hormone levels pre-transition? FTM and MTF
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2015, 09:43:24 am »
I had my T checked last summer because I thought I had low T. This was before discovering I was transgender. I was actually looking to get some T boosters. /gasp! Glad I didn't go that route.

At that time my T level was ~700ng/dl.  Perfectly in the "normal" range.  Woopity-doo! /sadface.

Ready for some T blockers now, that's for sure.
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