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The South Park Transsexual episode

Started by Brianna, February 08, 2007, 10:07:24 PM

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Godot

I'm an open minded person I love South Park and I remember that episode. I thought it was funny I didn't take it personal but the episodes I sometimes take personal are the ones where they make fun of or mock christianity
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cindianna_jones

They've certainly learned how to push everyone's buttons.

C
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tinkerbell

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buttercup

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 24, 2008, 01:46:54 AM
They've certainly learned how to push everyone's buttons.

C


I agree.  I've seen only 4 episodes of Southpark, my favourite was the World of Warcraft one.  That was not offensive in any way and WOW players will identify with their addiction to the game and have a laugh. 

I saw the Mrs Garrison has a new vagina episode just a few weeks ago, it was silly and offensive, but the episode about Tourette's syndrome was as well.  It offends everyone on every level, I just hope people don't watch it and go yeah that's right, Mr so and so wants to be a dolphin, lets give him gills and a fin etc.  you get the picture.  I think it is suppose to be making fun of the people who actually think that way, that everything is so black and white, but sometimes the message isn't really that clear, I don't understand what they are trying to say.  Pure entertainment, I don't think so.

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tekla

Its very far from pure entertainment.  About the only 'pure' entertainment I have ever been a part of is the most basic circus stuff.  And, even then, when you raise all that to the level of either Ringling Brothers or Cirque du Soleil, you are going to get a some sort of message as a part of the overall script. 

Its comedy, and since the Greeks (which is as far back as we can trace any of this) comedy was always a way to get that things that might otherwise be hard to approach.  It's the jester who can make fun of the king, and in so doing, all are able to join in.  In 411 BCE Greece, Aristophanes could not have attacked the institution of the army directly, so he did it in in a roundabout way in Lysistrata.

Matt and Trey, following in the footsteps of Matt Groening, Jay Ward (who's Rocky and Bullwinkle is still a good sent up on the cold war) and the big man himself, William M. Gaines, who's Mad taught a few generations how to do it, are using satire and irony as a way of examining Society writ large.  They have got much better at it over time.  The Simpsons started out good, faded for a while, and then came back strong again, but Matt&Trey have come to it far more gradually, but in some ways, much better.  Because the kids can't really understand the adults try - and fail, to explain in every episode.  And, like The Emporor's New Clothes, its the kids who get to say the one thing everyone it thinking.  So, for the Tourette's one can be summed up with the kid who watches Cartman swear at the teacher who then praises him and says "He said XXXX, that's cool" and the other overriding though is found in in Kyle's comment that "isn't anyone responsible for anything anymore besides me?" 

Though the message of "if you can say anything you want, you will sooner or later say something you regret" is pretty funny too.

the ones where they make fun of or mock christianity  They do, but they have gone after the Mormon's too, and no religion seems to take it as much as Scientology does. 
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Godot

I know South Park and other shows along with it's kind of humor (like Family Guy) may seem like they're not even funny because they make fun of things that are sensitive to some people but I think the show is more for the open-minded. I mean, they dwell on subjects that shouldn't be made fun of but I think they just mean to make it funny just for humor I dn't think they're personally attacking anybody of a certain group or anything. Maybe I don't see the picture, but I can find humor i na lot of things.
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cindianna_jones

I think that the Mormon episode was so funny because from a doctrinal and historical viewpoint, their presentation was right on the mark.  It varied very little from the pamphlets and lessons their missionaries distribute. 

I enjoy most of the SP episodes for the very reasons Tekla outlined.  The "potty" episodes, I pass on.

The TS episode was worth watching not because they were right, but because it portrays how many people (including Matt anf Trey) view our medical status.  They just don't get it and probably never will.

C
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Alyssa M.

Ech... South Park... If you get past the shock value, what's funny? The original "Sprit of Christmas" clip was hilarious, but by the end of the first season they descended to bathroom humor and bashing every group that appeared on the pop-culture radar through the most obvious stereotypes possible. They might be "saying what everyone is thinking," but they do it so badly. Would it kill them to say something original, just once in a while? I wish that show would just die so I wouldn't have to hear references to it anymore.

Family Guy -- now that's a whole different story!
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Godot

I still have not met a person who doesn't enjoy Family Guy. No matter what that show talks about I'm always rolling on the floor laughing (almost literally sometimes)  that show is to hilarious for me.
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RebeccaFog


That reminds me of the time I was trapped in a phone booth with Dick Cheney.
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Elwood

I wasn't really offended, myself. I laughed. Everything about South Park is well, how stupid people are. I think they were not just poking fun at transfolk, but also the dumb people who can't understand transfolk. I'd say South Park is far more aggressive towards gays, but those episodes made me laugh too.

I think bashing on South Park is over done. I like it when they make these 8 year old kids do stupid/crazy things, like when Eric gave Kyle AIDS. It was rude and offensive, but for some reason, hilarious to think of cartoon kids doing that. Also the episode where Eric killed this one kid's parents and fed it to him in chili. Really offensive stuff. But for some reason, funny to me. I guess I have a pretty rude sense of humor sometimes. And because it isn't real, I feel like it's okay to laugh.
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Alyssa M.

Quote from: Rebis on May 29, 2008, 08:03:27 PM
That reminds me of the time I was trapped in a phone booth with Dick Cheney.

That's ... hot:embarrassed:

Quote from: Elwood on May 29, 2008, 09:07:43 PMEverything about South Park is well, how stupid people are.

Dingdingdingding!!!

(That's why I don't like it; it's not because it's offensive.)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Godot

Quote from: Elwood on May 29, 2008, 09:07:43 PM
I wasn't really offended, myself. I laughed. Everything about South Park is well, how stupid people are. I think they were not just poking fun at transfolk, but also the dumb people who can't understand transfolk. I'd say South Park is far more aggressive towards gays, but those episodes made me laugh too.

I think bashing on South Park is over done. I like it when they make these 8 year old kids do stupid/crazy things, like when Eric gave Kyle AIDS. It was rude and offensive, but for some reason, hilarious to think of cartoon kids doing that. Also the episode where Eric killed this one kid's parents and fed it to him in chili. Really offensive stuff. But for some reason, funny to me. I guess I have a pretty rude sense of humor sometimes. And because it isn't real, I feel like it's okay to laugh.

Yah that's mostly what I wanted to say
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tekla

What's funny about the AIDS episode, and it's very, very funny... is that Kyle gets the exactly the same punishment for punching Cartman as Cartman gets for giving Kyle AIDS.  It's a pretty funny comment - and all too true - on the inability of the current society to make any rational judgment between any and all acts.
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Elwood

Quote from: tekla on May 30, 2008, 08:10:41 PMWhat's funny about the AIDS episode, and it's very, very funny... is that Kyle gets the exactly the same punishment for punching Cartman as Cartman gets for giving Kyle AIDS.  It's a pretty funny comment - and all too true - on the inability of the current society to make any rational judgment between any and all acts.
It's true! It's happened to me. I got punished for wearing a tank top to school just as bad as the kid who smoked pot behind the main office!

So what if I wanna show off my arms! There's nothing sexual about SHOULDERS.

Maybe the teacher thought I was hot, then remembered that I'm a "girl."
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tekla

a) I don't see where being a 'girl' would stop the teacher, I read the news.  (no matter what sex the teacher is)

b) of course wearing a tank top is equal to smoking pot, which is equal to shooting heroin I'm sure, which is also the same punishment for wearing a shirt with a sexually charged saying, because they are all the same thing.  Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Elwood

My, aren't you aggressive?

If a BOY was wearing that same shirt, he might not get in trouble for "indecent exposure." That was MY point.
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Alyssa M.

Quote from: tekla on May 30, 2008, 08:10:41 PM
What's funny about the AIDS episode, and it's very, very funny... is that Kyle gets the exactly the same punishment for punching Cartman as Cartman gets for giving Kyle AIDS.  It's a pretty funny comment - and all too true - on the inability of the current society to make any rational judgment between any and all acts.

Meh.

I find my reaction to the show to be something like your post: "Aha, they're making a clever jab at the hypocrisy of society in its tendency to ______, and it's very funny because of the wild hyperbole and construction-paper-style animation." The trouble is that I never actually laugh. If I want poorly written juvenile animation, the Aqua Teen Hunger Force kicks Cartman's ass any day of the week.

>:D >:D >:D

Well, there's no accounting for taste. Cheers,

~Alyssa
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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tekla

What's funnier than five people watching South Park who get it?  Six people watching it, one of whom does not get it.

And Aqua Teen Hunger Force (a cardboard cut out if there ever was one) is not even close to Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law. 
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Alyssa M.

Quote from: tekla on May 30, 2008, 08:53:22 PM
What's funnier than five people watching South Park who get it?  Six people watching it, one of whom does not get it.

I do what I can. ;)

QuoteAnd Aqua Teen Hunger Force (a cardboard cut out if there ever was one) is not even close to Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law. 

Oh, indeed, the animation on ATHF is thoroughly abysmal. Adult Swim pretty much rocks all around. It's the hearty, vitamin-B-rich yeast paste scraped from the bottom of the long-fermenting barrel of television beer.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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