Dont want to offened any ladies but Why are very slutty mTF called prideful?

[tekla]

first of all men secretly dream of girls like that

That would be the worst kept secret ever then.  It's not a secret, it's a cultural standard.  It's several icons.

[LilKittyCatZoey]

first of all men secretly dream of girls like that

That would be the worst kept secret ever then.  It's not a secret, it's a cultural standard.  It's several icons.

There no single shred of defiance but rather a full and complete submission to males!! which makes them even more sad to begin with!!

[kate durcal]

On the other hand there are no shortages of WBW who wear the slut look almost like a uniform.

I agre with Tekla it looks awful in almost all females. I think a young pretty woman, or a middle age woman with a good body can pull something like that for a nigh-out clubbing, but not for "marchin on" in a shopping mal a saturday afternoon.

Dress your age, dress for the task at hand.

Kate D

[kate durcal]

I also detest that "midday" casual outfit that most wasp woman wear, you know the khaki pants half way down the ankle, one size to big, with a kangaroo pouch-hanging-in-their-rear.

Kate D

[Nero]

There no single shred of defiance but rather a full and complete submission to males!! which makes them even more sad to begin with!!

Women often dress for other women. And I'm not talking lesbians either. Dressing to showcase their assets is one way women compete against each other, whether males are around or not. Women notice other women's clothing far more than men do. And they judge each others' bodies with a far keener and harsher eye than men do as well. So, we can't blame all this on 'submission to males'. A woman in slutty attire may just be asserting her dominance to other females as the hottest woman in the room. And that is defiance.

[Cindy Stephens]

Had to mention that I just finished last months edition of ALLURE magazine, arguably one on the arbiters of American fashion.  Cover and major article on Fergie, from the Black Eyed Peas.  The fashion layouts had her in black leather rompers, and various undies by the absolute top designers.  Admittedly, she can carry it off.  When they do a spread like that, they usually include a page with maybe 20 photos, showing that persons fashion evolution.  The photos often start at childhood.  Underneath each is a caption by that person on what she did, or did not like about hair and outfit, and how she changed in the future.  It is an evolution.  The people profiled, of course, have the money and time to do it right.  Usually they also have experienced eyes helping them go for a cohesive look that presents a particular view.  An artistic expression meant to align with a particular public or demographic.  Professionals dress to express a particular view also, and dress accordingly or risk business failure. The slutty Trans maybe advertising her wares to the typical male, or just letting loose from her job in a corporate cubicle.  Freedom means putting up with transgenders, Westboro Baptist Church, or badly dressed people.  Otherwise we're not free.  And a big group would like to take away YOU'RE freedoms no matter how conservatively you dress. 

The demographic that reads Allure is such that I doubt few will go out and buy leather rompers.  But it is one aspect of the stereotypical female sexuality, whether you appreciate it or not.  Whore in the bedroom: Betty Crocker in the kitchen.  Might I also point out that Fergie makes millions and gets to sleep with Josh Duhamel.  Bet she doesn't wear flannel nightgowns when she does. 

[kate durcal]

I guess it all depends on you inner image of yourself and how you want it to project it.

I have no inner slut at all, a mischievous coquettish girl at best. I am a lady, a professional lady. Business attire and casual sport for work, casual (jeans and T-shirts) for home an running errands, cocktail dresses for a nigh out or a social party. All in good taste, not to tight not too short, not too much make up, etc. Since I am tall (5 10) 3 inch heels is as high as I would go.

In any situation I will avoid any contact with "slutty-looking" females, but that is just me.

Kate D

[LilKittyCatZoey]

Yay topic has over 100 posts wow lol now true true

[JessicaH]

I guess it all depends on you inner image of yourself and how you want it to project it.

I have no inner slut at all, a mischievous coquettish girl at best. I am a lady, a professional lady. Business attire and casual sport for work, casual (jeans and T-shirts) for home an running errands, cocktail dresses for a nigh out or a social party. All in good taste, not to tight not too short, not too much make up, etc. Since I am tall (5 10) 3 inch heels is as high as I would go.

In any situation I will avoid any contact with "slutty-looking" females, but that is just me.

Kate D

I definately agree with you there, Kate.  I guess this topic emphasises the fact that TG/TS is the only thing MOST of us have in common.  Trans people and members here are going to range from no class to high class and dirt poor to rich. There is no way you can instill class into those that don't have it and it is really just a waste of time.

I really don't care what other TG/TS do or how they dress. If they have managed to make it to adulthood without employable skills, who am I to put them down for what they have to do to make a living. It's not what I would do but I also have alot of other options and resources that I'm sure others don't have.

[Korlee]

Yeesh... talk about a highly judgemental thread both ways...  Just because someone dresses like that or whatever that way has nothing to do with income, class, whatever.  So so judgemental.... Not everyone was born into a super special spot for money or an eduction either.  Yeeesh.

[kate durcal]

I really don't care what other TG/TS do or how they dress. If they have managed to make it to adulthood without employable skills, who am I to put them down for what they have to do to make a living. It's not what I would do but I also have alot of other options and resources that I'm sure others don't have.

I agree with you Jessica H, and at the end of the day I do not care what anybody wears or does for a living.

I have 2 daughter and I have made every effort to rise them to be financially and emotionally independent Ladies. I did the same for my sons.

Personally, I do not buy any excuses as why people do not acquire a descent way to earn a living. I was thrown out at age 13 in a country where social safety nets were not existant. I did a lot of menail jobs and I survive and made the best of "the cards" life have dealt to me. I endure many hardships and made many sacrifices to forge up.

I see many disadvantage kids who take advantages of the many opportunities the local and federal government has to offer (in the USA) and make something out themselves without resorting to prostitution or crime. So, while I do not care what they ware, I will not condone illegal behaviour

Kate D

[LilKittyCatZoey]

sadly final results of poll are it mainly embarrasses you therefore it is not pride thank you to all that actually voted

[tekla]

If it embarrasses you how the hell is it someone else's problem or fault?

[LilKittyCatZoey]

hey i am simply quoting the most voted for option i never voted for it by the way and its not my fault people think that telka

[Natkat]

I think it emotion behind it,

if your not used to go out as a woman, or man, by dressing and looking as a atractive one would be great felling. it kinda give you something if your used to hide your body and not minding yourself that your can reflect yourself in a way who mach your gender and seam very atravtice. you feel sexy, and pretty in a way you might not feel otherwise, and you might be complimented and get happy. specially if you look sexy pervert guys will compliment you.

I feel thats the main reason why people do so,
beside that fashion and what looks good on you is something you learn,
everyone got to find there own style, and if your not used to dress up in women clothes you wont nessesary know how to do it so it looks the best. I dont think ftm got big risk for looking sluttish since guy clothes are more covering, but much women clothes can be..

I think after going out for a time you will getting used to it, you will notice more what kind of clothes your into, and you will know what looks good on you or what you can wear. of corse this is diffrent from people to people, but you will find your style.

I think many transpeople including myself, didnt look that great when we first came out,
trying to much, cutting the hair to short even if i could pass with long hair, or buying the clothe too tight so on.. so on.. but we all need to start somewhere..

I hope it make sence..

[Randi]

Hmmm,  I am a bit shy at times but then again I can swing toward the other end and be very outgoing sometimes too. I had a religious family and was taught to be modest by my mother. But there were times that I would want to strut my stuff, so to speak. I have a nice shapely body (imho) but my face has been ravaged by testosterone and I am very self conscious of it.

I am trying to find balance between two extremes of dress styles and it has little to do with sexuality-I'm just complicated! I have never been embarrassed to be around those who dress this way-being a rock musician I would want to be around them and have done gigs dressed that way "and we all had a real good time". It all depends upon who you are trying to appeal to.

"I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok, I'm wearing women's panties..." Sorry we were talking about dressing like a slut. I guess even a lumberjack has to go his/her own way.

Randi

[jessicas37]

I have the fashion sense of a tree stump. My first night out will be jeans/blouse w/flats ............I have been called by some of my employes as fashion challenged.

[LilKittyCatZoey]

Thanks for all the votes girls 
not exactly a happy ending life's never a fairytale anyways.

[kyril]

Don't you think these women get judged enough for how they look and what they wear without you ladies piling on? Don't you think all women have to deal with quite enough judgment without hearing it from their sisters?

Navigating the double-standard-ridden minefield of female sexuality and attractiveness, through all the mixed messages and the millions of ways to be "wrong," isn't easy. "Just sexy enough but not too sexy" is a small target, and the way to hit it varies with a woman's age, physical appearance, and social milieu. And a lot of trans people have a lot of trouble seeing ourselves accurately the way others see us; just look at your own "Do I Pass" thread for confirmation. It's no wonder that some trans women struggle to balance everything, especially in a culture that hypersexualizes, degrades, and dehumanizes you. As it does all women, but you more so.

I'm amazed by the lack of compassion. I'm amazed that you think how these women present themselves reflects on you, when what it really reflects is social attitudes toward trans women. It is not your fault, and it is not their fault, that trans women are hypersexualized and degraded. Oppression is never the victim's fault. Even if some victims play along with their oppressors to survive and get their needs met.

[Nurse With Wound]

I wouldn't call it "prideful" but there's "slutty" cisgirls too so it's only natural that you'll get transgirls like that. After all we are all just girls and our personalities come in all variables.