Post-Op Photos of vajayjay

[jamie nicole]

the surgeons that specialized heavily on SRS has lots of before and after pics on their website.

If it was a botched surgery then I can definitely see the point in posting the pics to warn other girls but if it went smoothly I would kinda figured they can see all those pics on the Docs' websites.

Also, I can see the anon position and that makes sense.

personally, I would never trust any physician that only shows his/her best work.  I'm very adament about this because I made my decision blindly, not knowing anyone personally that used my surgeon. granted, there were a few pics on his website, but wasnt very sufficient.  I'm very lucky in that my results are some of his best thusfar.  But, I would've benefited greater had there been a "respectable" and trusted site that I could view more results.

Without this ability or willingness of susans to create such a place on the site, I feel maybe susans is not as good as it should be.

[jamie nicole]

before Anne Lawrence stopped updating her website "transsexual womens resources" it was absolutely the best informative website around.  Someone needs to pick up the slack.  she had pics of each surgeons work (patient anonymous) and some patient testimonials..............

[regan]

Without this ability or willingness of susans to create such a place on the site, I feel maybe susans is not as good as it should be.

You've made alot of good points, however there are far too many variables in post-op recovery to say that any one (or a dozen) pictures is going to represent the end results for anyone other then the person who's end results they are.  In my experience, susans has been very good about organizing information on the various surgeons from contact information to memebers personal stories/reccomendations.

Do you buy a car just by looking at the picture on the internet?  No.  It takes more then just a picture (or at least it should) of a surgeons work to decide if they're the right one for you.

[Hikari]

before Anne Lawrence stopped updating her website "transsexual womens resources" it was absolutely the best informative website around.  Someone needs to pick up the slack.  she had pics of each surgeons work (patient anonymous) and some patient testimonials..............

While I am no fan of Anne Lawrence in the least, this is a good point, the pictures were nice in that they were not just the "best" results. Basically the description told if it was a patient submitted or doctor  submitted result and that means alot.

@Regan: Well, you don't buy a car off the internet by just it's picture, but you sure as heck don't want to buy the car on the description alone with no pictures. The problem is, when you live on the other side of the world from Thailand, all you can really do is look at pictures, try and talk to people who went to that doctor, or fly to that doctor and have him personally tell you he is the best and show pictures of his best results. I mean, you can't test drive an SRS surgeon.

[jamie nicole]

Regan.... Ur reply is so off base it's not really
Worth a comment.  Pictures of surgeons work on a trustworthy
Website is a basic need.  It gives the patient a general
Idea about the surgeons quality.
So, my question to you is this... You don't care about seeing
Any surgeons work?

[regan]

Regan.... Ur reply is so off base it's not really
Worth a comment.  Pictures of surgeons work on a trustworthy
Website is a basic need.  It gives the patient a general
Idea about the surgeons quality.
So, my question to you is this... You don't care about seeing
Any surgeons work?

You're taking what I said out of context.

A post-op picture is a guarantee of one thing, that individual's results.  Even then, there's always the chance it was photoshopped anyways.  Read my earlier post, there are going to be two kinds of pictures out there - the really good and the really bad.  What I was saying was don't base your opinion on pictures alone, nor should you base it on one person's description of their surgeon.  Really, with few exceptions, everyone is going to love their surgeon if only for one reason, they owe their vajayjay (the transgender holy grail) to them.  Don't think that's not going to cloud their judgement nor is the fact that no one wants to admit they're disappointed in their $10k vajayjay.

Would it be wrong for susan's to host post-op pictures? No.  But I don't think that's the mission of the website either, and until it is, I can't fault susan's for choosing not to host them either.

[wendy]

There is also another variables and they are large.  It is cost and time.

I can understand Susan's being sensitive to privacy and sexually explicit materials.

I also understand value of pictures.

As a general rule best surgeons cost more and doing little procedures over time costs more than many procedures at one time.

Then if we never make a decision our life will eventually end and we saved all surgeries.
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Process of going from MTF is very invasive and very visible to everyone that knows you.  We chat with each other about shots, hair removal, clothes, make-up, sexual orientation, growing breasts, and turning your penis inside out.   Pictures for educational purposes are good and can give you some expectations.  However discussions are also good.  My expectations were way off from reality.
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There are also lots of variables that pictures do not show such as: speed of healing, complications, methods to dilate, cleaning procedures, ability to have an "o", satisfactions of both partners in results, etc.  You can learn a lot without pictures.

I think I saw a table of satisfaction ratings for several surgeons on Susan's.

Pictures are good but if they are going to cause integrity issues for administrators then we will have to talk with words.  Do remember that most people will share things with you off-line. 

[jamie nicole]

You're taking what I said out of context.

A post-op picture is a guarantee of one thing, that individual's results.  Even then, there's always the chance it was photoshopped anyways.  Read my earlier post, there are going to be two kinds of pictures out there - the really good and the really bad.  What I was saying was don't base your opinion on pictures alone, nor should you base it on one person's description of their surgeon.  Really, with few exceptions, everyone is going to love their surgeon if only for one reason, they owe their vajayjay (the transgender holy grail) to them.  Don't think that's not going to cloud their judgement nor is the fact that no one wants to admit they're disappointed in their $10k vajayjay.

Would it be wrong for susan's to host post-op pictures? No.  But I don't think that's the mission of the website either, and until it is, I can't fault susan's for choosing not to host them either.

No, I dont think I am.  If anyone thinks that their result will be identical to any photograph, they need to be committed to an insane asylum!  Creating a series of photographs for each surgeon will really provide each of us more information in choosing a surgeon....reliable information (pics).
The mission of the website is to provide adequate resources for the tg community.....unfortunately, I believe that photographs of surgeons work is pretty high up on the list and until susans provides such, it is a subpar website....this is just my opinion.

[jamie nicole]

There is also another variables and they are large.  It is cost and time.

I can understand Susan's being sensitive to privacy and sexually explicit materials.

I also understand value of pictures.

As a general rule best surgeons cost more and doing little procedures over time costs more than many procedures at one time.

Then if we never make a decision our life will eventually end and we saved all surgeries.
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Process of going from MTF is very invasive and very visible to everyone that knows you.  We chat with each other about shots, hair removal, clothes, make-up, sexual orientation, growing breasts, and turning your penis inside out.   Pictures for educational purposes are good and can give you some expectations.  However discussions are also good.  My expectations were way off from reality.
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There are also lots of variables that pictures do not show such as: speed of healing, complications, methods to dilate, cleaning procedures, ability to have an "o", satisfactions of both partners in results, etc.  You can learn a lot without pictures.

I think I saw a table of satisfaction ratings for several surgeons on Susan's.

Pictures are good but if they are going to cause integrity issues for administrators then we will have to talk with words.  Do remember that most people will share things with you off-line.

a post op photo of a medical procedure is NOT a sexually explicit photograph, I'm sorry but it just isnt.  And, Susans is already ADULT content and anyone with their browser privacy set will not be able to even load the website....I tried while watching my sons football practice and using the high school's wifi.....wouldnt let me on to susans

[jamie nicole]

I guess the question is very very simple........for all of you who are PRE OP and would like a reliable source to view surgeons work so you may be better informed in making your choice of surgeons.....should anonymous photographs of a surgeons work be included somewhere on this "support" website?

personally, to me, I could give a F less.  I'm post op, made a right choice in surgeons....really dont need to be on susans at all other than to provide some advice but I do believe a photograph section would benefit and improve the integrity of this website........hey, maybe I should start my own website?

[Padma]

If that's what you want here, then just take the initiative . There's nothing to stop you simply starting a thread where people can post links to their photos if they so wish, which would serve exactly the same purpose, for anyone who would find those photos supportive (you could just call it "Links to post-op photos" or something).

The rules of this site are not prohibitive in their intent, they are there to promote a safe space for people of very varying degrees of vulnerability. Please stop dissing the rules, they're quite easy to work within and are there for good reasons.

[jamie nicole]

If that's what you want here, then just take the initiative . There's nothing to stop you simply starting a thread where people can post links to their photos if they so wish, which would serve exactly the same purpose, for anyone who would find those photos supportive (you could just call it "Links to post-op photos" or something).

The rules of this site are not prohibitive in their intent, they are there to promote a safe space for people of very varying degrees of vulnerability. Please stop dissing the rules, they're quite easy to work within and are there for good reasons.

are you even aware that this website is already considered to be that of "ADULT CONTENT" when restrictions are set on a particular computer?

[Padma]

are you even aware that this website is already considered to be that of "ADULT CONTENT" when restrictions are set on a particular computer?

Yes (and if I hadn't been, you've already pointed that out here ). That's not really relevant to the adults visiting this site (when I say "vulnerable" I don't mean minors, I just mean "vulnerable" in whatever way).

In any case, this is how it is here - if you wish to contest the way this site is set up, please (as per the ToS) take it up privately with Susan, who owns this site and who has every right to decide on what basis it's being run, but who is, I'm sure, open to a civilised discussion about it.

[jamie nicole]

Yes (and if I hadn't been, you've already pointed that out here ). That's not really relevant to the adults visiting this site (when I say "vulnerable" I don't mean minors, I just mean "vulnerable" in whatever way).

In any case, this is how it is here - if you wish to contest the way this site is set up, please (as per the ToS) take it up privately with Susan, who owns this site and who has every right to decide on what basis it's being run, but who is, I'm sure, open to a civilised discussion about it.

whatever! I dont agree with all this political correctness.  being post op now, i question myself why I even browse this site still

[Padma]

This is *not* about political correctness. If you want a concrete example of who this rule is here to protect, well, there's me for a start. I was sexually abused by my mother, and I'm consequently quite careful not to go online where there are unexpected close-ups of people's pussies, because I can get pretty freaked out.

So if I come here, I do want to see a link saying "this is a link to photos of post-op vaginas" for example (which I may then go and visit if I feel like it), and I *don't* want to suddenly have photos of them pop onto my screen when I'm browsing topics, because that would make me feel less safe here.

I'm all for you having the choice to show pictures here by putting a link in a thread - And I equally expect to have a choice about whether I see this photos or not, without having to worry about someone forgetting to put an explicit warning in a topic title.

[jamie nicole]

This is *not* about political correctness. If you want a concrete example of who this rule is here to protect, well, there's me for a start. I was sexually abused by my mother, and I'm consequently quite careful not to go online where there are unexpected close-ups of people's pussies, because I can get pretty freaked out.

So if I come here, I do want to see a link saying "this is a link to photos of post-op vaginas" for example (which I may then go and visit if I feel like it), and I *don't* want to suddenly have photos of them pop onto my screen when I'm browsing topics, because that would make me feel less safe here.

I'm all for you having the choice to show pictures here by putting a link in a thread - And I equally expect to have a choice about whether I see this photos or not, without having to worry about someone forgetting to put an explicit warning in a topic title.

so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work? 

[wendy]

so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?

No way.  Actually I have read some good articles on internet regarding surgeons.  One lady said she was not satisfied but she had a 1.5 inch penis and very little scrotal material; however her friend had great results and her friend had an adequate amount of material.  She also showed explicit pictures.  Pictures were totally educational.

Padma has a great idea to create a link! 

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Actually I really got upset when people I knew on this site "disappeared" after surgery.  I wanted for both selfish and concerned reasons to learn how they were doing.  Could they get on with their life with a little more peace?  Was net result of their surgery more positive than negative?  I think they come back to site with a new name.
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Jamie I love your spirit! No need to get upset.  There are a lot of good folks on site.  I will chat with friends off-line.

[Padma]

so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?

...and I'm consequently quite careful not to go online where there are unexpected close-ups...

As I said already, I like to choose to see.

[Annah]

whatever! I dont agree with all this political correctness.  being post op now, i question myself why I even browse this site still

That sounded just a weeee elitist. If the site is "underneath" you why are you always posting?

It's totally cool if someone feels the need that they no longer need a trans support site and moves on but your comment kinda does not reflect that.

[Annah]

so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?

There is a considerable difference between seeing one's own genitalia versus seeing others.

Also, Padme's suggestions were very reasonable. I don't understand why you are against the notion of putting up a forum thread that states the pics are there. Wasn't that your intention in the first place?

Also, everyone is different when choosing a doc. For example, I never asked for people's vay jay jay pics when I asked about their docs. I merely asked what their experiences were like with the doc as well as other research to make my decision. I didn't really think those people who I asked needed to show me their privates in order to believe them.

Also, you stated you wanted to show people the real life side of the pics versus the best examples on a doc's website....but you also stated in this thread that your vay jay jay was the best your doctor has ever "made" so, in a sense, isn't that also the same as seeing the best selected pics from a doc on their website?