A thesis statement for discussion. And some ranting. And Harmonica.

[kyle_lawrence]

I had a great conversation with a trans friend last night.   A male-bodied trans-person (in the umbrella term sense of the word) who I refer to as he since he hasn't asked me to call him anything different.   A self proclaimed extreme closet case who likes to cross dress in private and has considered transitioning, but still presents as male all the time. 

So anyway, I needed to rant a bit last night, and starting talking about how all my issues with being female bodied and dysphoria has been gradually becoming a big deal again.   Eventually the conversation turned to what it actually means to be an androgyne in the real world.   I know in my head what I am, and have come to a personal identity that I feel comfortable with,  but ive come to realize that most people view me as a butch lesbian, or big ol' dyke as my friend likes to say.  I definitely feel most comfortable presenting as male, but not strongly enough that I need to transition to be happy (though I may be happier...but...).  My friend had an interesting point regarding this though,  I am 5'9", and built like a 14 year old boy, with small boobs.   He said "If you were short, or had DD's or something crazy, transitioning and T and top surgery would be a way bigger deal."  And I don't dissagree with that.   This is becoming a very different topic than I intended to start. 

Ummmm.... Its going to get hijacked and de-railed at somepoint anyway though.   

Finally getting to the intended topic.

The majority of the world is 100 years away from being able to even realize that androgynes/genderqueers/bigendered/non-binary/insert-prefered-term-here's exist as a legitimate 'gender' (for lack of anything else to call it), so in our time on earth, or untill someone invents a time-machine app, we would almost be better off as FTM's or MTF's than constantly be 'recognized' as the wrong thing.  People can understand, or at least there are enough of them that can, changing from one binary label to the other, but when you try to take it away and make them look into the non-binary universe, they freak out a little and want their binary back.  We should take pity on the poor binary folks though, its not their fault they were brainwashed from birth to believe in 2 genders.

But yeah

[kyle_lawrence]

I forgot the Harmonica part. Sorry bout that.



(editized cause i forgot about the link part.)

[LordKAT]

Thanks for the laughs.

[Pica Pica]

we would almost be better off as FTM's or MTF's than constantly be 'recognized' as the wrong thing.

But we'd still be recognised as the wrong thing.

[foosnark]

100 years is a long time in terms of social change now.  It didn't used to be.

100 years ago most houses in the US didn't have electricity.  30 years ago there was no internet. 20 years ago was when the first web server went online.  Smartphones have only been around for about 7 years.  Facebook has only been open to the public for 5 years.

Gay rights activism only started in 1924 and didn't really pick up steam until the 50s, or arguably, the Stonewall Riots in 1969.  And while there's a long way to go, some of the biggest milestones have already been passed.  Think about the short amount of time between the Prop 8 crap in California and the recent victory in New York...

SRS didn't exist until the 1930s; anyone living as the opposite gender from their sex was considered a ->-bleeped-<- before that.  HRT began in 1949.  1976 was the first court case in the US establishing that TSs are legally their new gender.

There haven't been any prominent non-binary people capturing the attention of the masses or the scrutiny of the courts yet.  When that does happen... I am hopeful that the acceptance will take less than 100 years.  There are a lot of things to change, but the bigger the issue the faster it happens.