Nietzsche Fans?

[N.Chaos]

Any of you floating about in here?

[tekla]

Not really a fan of Continental Philosophy in general, and even less on most of the individuals.  To the degree that he was a huge fan of irony in his writing, and really dug writing in the most vitriolic style he could get away with, and thought that dancing was one of the most important things in life I love him.  Nihilism, the Will to Power, not so much.

[N.Chaos]

Yeah, I always thought the dancing thing was odd/interesting. Mainly because I appreciate it, but can't do it worth a goddamn.

[tekla]

Yeah I suck, my original dancing outlet was disco.  I heard "Last Dance" at the end of almost every Friday and Saturday night for most of college.  Then I moved to the Grateful Dead.  And dancing to the Dead was a lot like exactly like a bunch of stoned hot, dirty, sweaty hippies with a bad case of the shakes all in a dog pile together, except for the ones that were twirling.  I never got that bad, but only because that twirl deal would make me puke.  Still, like Frank said, "I'd go dancing every night, hoping one day I might get it right."

Don't know much about dancin'
That's why I got this song
One of my legs is shorter than the other
'N' both my feet's too long
'Course now right along with 'em
I got no natural rhythm
But I go dancin' every night
Hopin' one day I might get it right
I'm a dancin' fool, I'm a
Dancin' fool

[AbraCadabra]

I can "do" much more with Friedrich Nietzsche then e.g. with Immanuel Kant, Georg W.F. Hegel, and company.

Nietzsche's finding that all is *perception* makes the most sense to me.

When philosophy tries get so totally "rational" (at least in the philosopher's mind about his philosophy, Kant?...) I know it does not make much sense to me.

Socrates did strip, or at least attempted to strip, a lot of fool thinking and dogma of his contempories. But as things go, had to die for it --- best to remember. He was called to judgement for "corrupting the youth" yet not for stating any falsehoods.

Since we are at best 1/2 emotional beings, it is foolish trying to ignore that very fact.
So, --- we do not see things as the are, but rather we see things as WE are. That is what Nietzsche would have had in mind when saying "all is perception".

He also was to have said: "Wenn Du zum Weibe gehst vergiß die Peitsche nicht..."

I have my own interpretation about what that was all about... feminists would NOT agree I'm sure. But then would they ever agree with us - second type women?

Greetings,
Axelle

[N.Chaos]

@Tekla, I've realized recently the reason I can't dance is (probably) because I'm a freakishly closed off person. My girlfriend, who's fairly open, doesn't get embarrassed easily, is a surprisingly good dancer. My boyfriend isn't a good dancer, but he can manage, and he looks happy while he's doing it. Me? I can't even do the white boy dance. I just kinda...stand there.

@Axelle, the way it looks to me is feminists rarely agree with anything besides themselves.
I'm a little biased, but I always thought a lot of his commentary on women was amusing, and at least intended in a somewhat humorous way.

I can't remember the exact quote or even what it was from, but what got me initially into Nietzsche was this mini-rant he went on (I think it was in The Antichrist, but I have no clue. I read the excerpt in college) about happiness and sorrow and how people try to indulge one and ignore the other. Only thing I really remember was him using the analogy of twin sisters, and it just stuck with me. I actually tore that page out of my textbook and used it as the cover of my binder for that class.

[AbraCadabra]

I think it was him too that contented that altruism was actually nothing else then a concealed form of selfishness.

I'm using my own words, but it was of that meaning.

He came from a very religious and repressive protestant back ground. Would have loved to have dirty sex, but never could let go.

VERY fond of animals etc. etc.

Poor devil of a genius.

Axelle

[N.Chaos]

I think it was him too that contented that altruism was actually nothing else then a concealed form of selfishness.

I'm using my own words, but it was of that meaning.

He came from a very religious and repressive protestant back ground. Would have loved to have dirty sex, but never could let go.

VERY fond of animals etc. etc.

Poor devil of a genius.

Axelle

I think a few people have said that on altruism, I'm almost positive Ayn Rand had a whole bit about it, but Nietzsche definitely did discount it at one point as well.

I think me and him could've gotten along pretty well. Nihilistic, disdainful of the church, a smart ass and an animal lover? I need a time machine, and I'd probably find meself a new best friend.

[tekla]

I'm almost positive Ayn Rand had a whole bit about it

It's the foundation for her entire "philosophy."  I can't think of a better example as to why authors need editors than the entire Ayn Rand collection. There is a very popular quote about her books that I just love:

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

[tekla]

I like how blatantly aggressive he is

You know who else liked that about Nietzsche, and also dug that entire  Übermensch/Master Race with that Will to Power stuff?  While he can't be blamed for his followers, my theory is that 'bands get the fans they deserve' and that tends to work for philosophy too.

[Pica Pica]

But in the end I have the same irritation that I get with most philosophers. Too much moralizing, too much about how to be and not enough that's actually practical.

That's continental philosophy, analytic philosophy gave us empiricism and eventually scientific method....then dissolved in petty disputes about various analysis - but all philosophy is prone to stupid arguments that even the combatants don't actually care about.

As for Nietzsche, I link him with Shopenhaur in the 'miserable sod with a decent turn of phrase' school of philosophy.

[AbraCadabra]

Well, well, well, now it sounds like "Der Wille zur Macht"

In my book mostly utterly, yet easily misinterpreted.

There is an interesting book called: "What Nietzsche REALLY said" by Robert C. Solomon and Kathleen M. Higgins

E.g. ... our capacity for self-love has been harmed by Christian worldview and scientific materialism and therefore our capacity to love beyond ourselves.

Well put IMHO.

Axelle
PS: I'm hearing my male-interpreter buzzing... need to give this a break and watch some porn?

[Anatta]

Kia Ora,
I'm afraid all I know of him is he once said [agreeing with Buddhist philosophy on this matter to some extent-but for the most part was a strong critic of both Christianity and Buddhism]
"Thought itself is the thinker !"  However he failed to grasp the full extent of his findings because of the way "he" attempted to  construct his "thoughts"...Ironic really 

"Madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker !" 

But then I could be wrong ...

Metta Zenda

[N.Chaos]

Well, well, well, now it sounds like "Der Wille zur Macht"

In my book mostly utterly, yet easily misinterpreted.

There is an interesting book called: "What Nietzsche REALLY said" by Robert C. Solomon and Kathleen M. Higgins

E.g. ... our capacity for self-love has been harmed by Christian worldview and scientific materialism and therefore our capacity to love beyond ourselves.

Well put IMHO.

Axelle
PS: I'm hearing my male-interpreter buzzing... need to give this a break and watch some porn?

Definitely agreed on that. One of my favorite quotes of his regarding christianity is "every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances".

I'll have to look into that book, I've been wanting to buy a bunch of philosophy books for years now and only recently had the money.

I think the whole ubermensch thing is interesting in concept, like a lot of things. I liked a lot of thinkers ideas, but when they start putting it down like it's fact and the only way of things, it gets aggravating and preachy. I like reading from different ones because it's interesting to see their viewpoints, their interpretations of things.

[Princess of Hearts]

Here is a link for the Project Gutenberg's Also Sprach Zarathustra.      I have several books on Nietzsche.   I like his comment on Wagner's music 'constipated and constipating.'

I like this quote:

I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.
Friedrich Nietzsche

[AbraCadabra]

OK good man,
I hope still on subject as you say you like to read different thinkers. Have a look at Arthur Schopenhauer, "Essays and Aphorisms" - Penguin Classics ISBN 0-14-044227-8

Commentary: No German philosopher had written so well or so readable before him, and none had propounded the atheistic view that everything may not be all for the best. etc. etc.

Axelle

[N.Chaos]

I've been wanting to read Schopenhauer for a while now. I'll have to search around online, see if I can find some excerpts. My girlfriend's going to be paying me back next Friday, so I might pick up one of his books. If I like/can find enough of his stuff online.