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How many MtF Vaginoplasties have been done in the past?

Started by valeriedances, August 05, 2011, 06:20:58 AM

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valeriedances

What do you think is the total number of MtF Vaginoplasties completed in the past 100 years? 100,000, maybe?

I know Dr. Brassard has completed just over 1,500 over the past 16 years (a near modern miracle), which is as amazing amount. But there are very few like him. I'm sure you can name twenty surgeons or so with similar histories, but you would need over 60 Brassards to make even that amount.

And if there have been around 100,000, what percentage would that make it compared to the worlds population (over 6 billion strong today) over that same period? (good question for you statistical mathematicians).
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Maga Girl

Quote from: valeriedances on August 05, 2011, 06:20:58 AM
What do you think is the total number of MtF Vaginoplasties completed in the past 100 years? 100,000, maybe?

I know Dr. Brassard has completed just over 1,500 over the past 16 years (a near modern miracle), which is as amazing amount. But there are very few like him. I'm sure you can name twenty surgeons or so with similar histories, but you would need over 60 Brassards to make even that amount.

And if there have been around 100,000, what percentage would that make it compared to the worlds population (over 6 billion strong today) over that same period? (good question for you statistical mathematicians).

I don't know, may in these next 100 years discover the problem of transsexualism
genes? in utero? 

+ wao you look so pretty in this pic
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tekla

One: I'd only use population figures for the First World, as people in the second and third don't really have access.

Two: That's roughly 900 a year for Dr. B.  How many others in that league?  Five?  So at 900 a year, 10 years, 90K tops.  And that seems about right in fact.  And just for the USA, and only males at that,  makes at that 90K is .0006%, or 'statistically insignificant.' 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jennifer

Quote from: tekla on August 05, 2011, 07:39:59 AM
One: I'd only use population figures for the First World, as people in the second and third don't really have access.

Two: That's roughly 900 a year for Dr. B.  How many others in that league?  Five?  So at 900 a year, 10 years, 90K tops.  And that seems about right in fact.  And just for the USA, and only males at that,  makes at that 90K is .0006%, or 'statistically insignificant.'
Tekla, I must correct you here (for the first time ever). 1500 divided by 16 equals 93.75, not 900. :) But as always, I love your train of thought and candid comments.

Jennifer
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tekla

.06, if your taking 90K as a percentage of 150million, barely half a percent, still insignificant.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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AbraCadabra

All 3 or 4 top Thai surgeons claim more then 1000 to each of them.

They been doing plenty 1st world (NOT PC again! eish) conversions... PC?

(This is one PC-mine-field I'm starting to realize)

The SA GRS-team claims over 50 since 1994.
Peanuts compared to what these Thai doctors done.

Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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AbraCadabra

You of course right.
But "Kleinvieh macht auch Mist" (Mickle makes a muckle?) You tell.

There are some 160 SRS surgens in Thailand, they will ALL be busy as well.
I'm sure that will also add up.

Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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AbraCadabra

* I would be not be surprised if most just dabble in it to try to get some of that money. *

Well yes, so many, and who would keep them all busy? And how skilled are they?

But I'm sure they are quite inexpensive compared to the surgeons.

I SA the chief gynie laughed at what they charge.
His opinion: not more the 5 000 to 6 000 Rand ~ 900 US$ !

He might have talked nonsense. Though he should know, they have to do there SRS costing at SBAH. SRS is free of charge and the SA government pays for it.

Axelle
PS: I do not like their results, neither their policy of colon-section only protocol.
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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Francis Ann Burgett

I just wonder why the US medical system is so slow & unreceptive to MTF, HRT & GRS.

For myself it's been & still is a nightmare Just returning to HRT after moving to a new area. All the games with "therapist" & physicians that cannot/will not proceed with informed consent by a person well over 21 to say the least.

No wonder everyone goes overseas.



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Annah

Quote from: Francis Ann Burgett on August 05, 2011, 09:38:09 PM
I just wonder why the US medical system is so slow & unreceptive to MTF, HRT & GRS.

For myself it's been & still is a nightmare Just returning to HRT after moving to a new area. All the games with "therapist" & physicians that cannot/will not proceed with informed consent by a person well over 21 to say the least.

No wonder everyone goes overseas.

Don't discount the in USA surgeons just yet. Many girls still stay in the US for their surgery. I included.

There are advantages and disadvantages to Thai/US surgeon selection and you have to pick which doctor is best for you. I chose a US doctor who lives just 2 hours from my School.  After the plane costs, hotel costs, etc., I am only paying 2,000 dollars more for the US doctor than for Suporn. And she's up there in the top 10 of US SRS surgeons.
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Francis Ann Burgett

Annah,

Good for you. I'm so glad you are staying in the USA. It seems much safer for you if you need help later. You know this local physician cares about you. Why would any overseas doctor really care other than just the $. They will never see the person again & if something goes wrong what would you do.

You take care, girl friend.

If I ever have things finally in order maybe I can also use this woman surgeon here in the USA. I would much perfer a woman surgeon.
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jamie nicole

Most will stay in the US for the simple reason of convenience and fear but, there are quite a few with ethnocentric viewpoints thinking that US surgeons and US hospitals are far superior to any other.  And, remember, Thailand is the sex change capital of the world and Thai surgeons are renowned for their skill.  As my Thai surgeon told me, "American surgeons are busy writing papers and such to gain recognition, Thai surgeons are busy doing surgery"........which is why Thailand has such a high industry in medical tourism.
I used Dr. Saran and would not have traded him for anyone else, even if it was free.  He certainly does not do it for the money because he has a thriving clinic and does many other procedures.  His bedside manner is unparalleled as well as his skill.  The whole time I was in Bangkok, I've never seen Dr. Saran with anything but a smile on his face.....he loves what he does and he has supreme care for his patients.  When I look at the fees that US surgeons charge, I am left with no other opinion that they do it simply for the money and the demand.
When I had surgery, I had 3 procedures: vaginoplasty, switched out saline implants for silicone and a trachea shave.  Including my airfare (which was elevated for summer travel), I still paid $6000 less than McGinn's vaginoplasty fee and $10000 less than Bowers vaginoplasty fee.....and I had 3 different procedures and better BA results than my previous US surgeon.
Just because a US surgeon is charging more it doesnt mean your getting a better end product by any means.  I'd certainly compare my results to that of any US surgeon and still be more than satisfied.  While I was in post op care, not only did I receive daily visits from Dr. Saran but I also received daily visits from his personal assistant and she often would bring me treats without me even asking.....fresh fruit, roses from the flower market, sweet snacks, traditional Thai food. The nursing staff at the hospital I was at were remarkable to say the least.  If I hit my call bell, they were in my room within 30 seconds asking what I needed and attending to those needs or wants.
There is one thing that Thai surgeons (especially Dr. Saran) understands is that in addition to being a patient, you are a customer first........something that US surgeons have not grasped ahold of and certainly not any US hospital.
Based on my experience, save your money, use Dr. Saran, travel to Thailand and enjoy a different culture.......trust me, you wont regret it!
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jamie nicole

Quote from: Francis Ann Burgett on August 05, 2011, 09:38:09 PM
I just wonder why the US medical system is so slow & unreceptive to MTF, HRT & GRS.

For myself it's been & still is a nightmare Just returning to HRT after moving to a new area. All the games with "therapist" & physicians that cannot/will not proceed with informed consent by a person well over 21 to say the least.

No wonder everyone goes overseas.

It's American culture to be insensitive to minorities and to be very judgemental, including the healthcare system.......not to mention so many bible thumpers  and right wing conservatives using their religion to discriminate and use the "freedom of religion" excuse. 
Thai culture is very very non judgemental.
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MeghanAndrews

A lot. That's my final, well thought-out answer. A lot.
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jamie nicole

Quote from: Valeriedances on August 05, 2011, 06:20:58 AM
What do you think is the total number of MtF Vaginoplasties completed in the past 100 years? 100,000, maybe?

I know Dr. Brassard has completed just over 1,500 over the past 16 years (a near modern miracle), which is as amazing amount. But there are very few like him. I'm sure you can name twenty surgeons or so with similar histories, but you would need over 60 Brassards to make even that amount.

And if there have been around 100,000, what percentage would that make it compared to the worlds population (over 6 billion strong today) over that same period? (good question for you statistical mathematicians).

Dont forget Dr. Preecha not to mention all the surgeons that he's trained
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Kaelleria

Quote from: Francis Ann Burgett on August 05, 2011, 09:38:09 PM
I just wonder why the US medical system is so slow & unreceptive to MTF, HRT & GRS.

For myself it's been & still is a nightmare Just returning to HRT after moving to a new area. All the games with "therapist" & physicians that cannot/will not proceed with informed consent by a person well over 21 to say the least.

No wonder everyone goes overseas.

Um... I'm 24 and having GCS on monday... I wouldn't say I'm well over 21. I also live in the US.


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cindianna_jones

I really wondered how many there had been when I had my surgery in 1987. At the time, I asked Dr. Biber, who had done mine. He said that he had done a few hundred at the time. I sort of felt like a pioneer of sorts. I wasn't the first. But it sure felt like it.
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MeghanAndrews

Quote from: Cindi Jones on August 17, 2011, 01:01:31 AM
I really wondered how many there had been when I had my surgery in 1987. At the time, I asked Dr. Biber, who had done mine. He said that he had done a few hundred at the time. I sort of felt like a pioneer of sorts. I wasn't the first. But it sure felt like it.

Um, not to hijack a post or anything but OMG!!! Cindi! It's nice to see you back :) It's like seeing an old friend who moved away for a while. I hope life is good for you, Meghan
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cindianna_jones

Meghan,

Thank you!  It has been a while since I popped in. I've quit watching TV almost totally. That is giving me more time to reconnect with old friends and perhaps gain new ones. I'm also more active as a result. That television is an insidious creature! And, may I say, I love your pic. You are absolutely stunning!
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tekla

television is an insidious creature

Its amazing how much time you have once you turn it off.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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