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I would like to finally understand! >.< (replies definitely appreciated)

Started by findingreason, August 05, 2011, 12:16:50 PM

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findingreason

With all the progress I have made, there is still one component of the whole gender issues that has still been giving me trouble...and that is the physical changes.

I think I am in a psychological gridlock that has been going on for a few years, and it mainly focuses on the most significant area of discomfort on my body: my chest. As it is right now, despite self-medding for a bit two years ago, I asked a friend and she said I was flat as a board right now. Normally I am severely uncomfortable with that part of my body as it is right now. When I was severely doubting myself I thought it was I was starting to develop and was subsequently uncomfortable and that it wasn't real. But it may have been me misinterpreting my feelings on what my body is telling me. When I dress up as a girl with breastforms and a bra, it takes away those feelings, but also it feels odd cause I'm not used to having anything there. The longer I am dressed, the harder it is when I go back to guy's clothes, and my chest discomfort (not actual pain) hits me again.

Normally living as a guy, I'm rather quite miserable, it's just like I'm living a constant cycle of the same crap every day, and just do not feel even alive. I noticed whenever I dress up while it feels a little odd, it also makes me a little bit less depressed too. Like I can focus better on doing things. I know too that this is very serious cause I've been having gender dysphoria off and on for a while, including the camping trip I was out to recently. (it was very bad there, people wanting me to go swimming and I was NOT comfortable under any circumstances going shirtless, I would've been presenting in a way that was not me. also other things happened that made dysphoria worse) When my counselor stopped me for now with the letter for HRT, all it did was severely depress me for a week, and I realized there was a good reason why I was depressed, that it was because I was so close to getting this handled.

When I think about change, I get scared. I understand that it is normal, and fear of the unknown is also normal. It's part of survival instincts I think. But the one thing I want to get past is this: why am I scared about breast growth? I mean really, it is driving me insane. I want to identify this, cause if I can identify why, and address it things will be WAY easier for me to handle. My counselor has been really good at helping me identify anxieties and fears lately, and in such a way as I can see them and realize they have actually no control over me when I become aware of them. I want to do that with this as well. I think it be normal to be scared of puberty; after all I've talked to GGs and some of them were indeed scared too when it started, so in that way it can be normal. (which further can help me to think that as they are, I will grow into the changes on my own too, and to take the scary first step) But also I am worried by bringing it up all it will do is further delay things...>.<; So I'm in a bit of a situation here.

My family genetics has another component in this. I think an ideal size for me would be a B cup cause I wouldn't want to be huge there...but with genetics I am in a predisposition for easily a C or D cup, and this is backed up on both my mother's and father's side of the family. However I am aware too that I may not reach that cause I don't eat as much either as my nearest female relatives, and my stomach's sensitivity is pretty much a self-limiting mechanism for how much I eat. (which I am grateful for) It's hard to say, cause I don't want to appear huge at all, and I'm more interested in appearing proportionally well, and B or C will be about the right size for my frame. (5'8", 150 lb right now)

So, how can I handle all this mess inside my head? I have been having a VERY depressed past few days, and it's times like these that make me feel more like I will be uncomfortable with change, while at other times I want it really really bad. I am tired of this, and want to address is so I can move on with my life. Additionally, I think too that something I am discovering is I am somewhat genderqueer, but happen to be transitioning too. (cause I do not like anything male pronouns, or any form of identifying with that gender AT ALL)


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Janet_Girl

Personally, I totally understand the whole part time thing.  It was not till I stepped over the line to full time that I was finally comfortable and could accept whatever came my way.

Maybe you should take a week and live full time.  It would let you have some time to examine your mental see-saw.

Full time is a joy and I recommend it to anyone.
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Dana_H

I can definitely relate.  I am in a situation where I am presenting as male at work and female at home. I dread the mornings because I know I'll have to start the masquerade all over again. Sometimes I just want to curl into a ball under the covers and cry. I almost can't bear to see myself in a mirror before I shave. On the other hand, it feels SOOOOO GOOOOOD to get home and trade that false skin for something much less coarse, confining, and...well...masculine.  I definitely feel more relaxed and focused while presenting as female.

As far as being scared of breast growth, I'm not sure what's up with that. Definitely discuss it with your counselor; something that's affecting you that deeply needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. I don't see why it should necessarily delay anything, but I'm not a counselor or therapist. I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

At any rate, I wish you all the best, and I hope your path takes you to the beautiful person you truly are meant to be, whatever that may entail.
Call me Dana. Call me Cait. Call me Kat. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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Cindy

HI FR,

How are you going honey? Nice to see you are making progress.

I' about 50/50, still sort of not out at work, but out most everywhere else. That said I think I'm the worst kept secret at work, at least half the people know, and my physical appearance is not going to fool anyone for much longer. So I'm sort of outing myself, and happy about it.

Hugs

Cindy
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AbraCadabra

Hi findi...
I can relate to your breast growth issues. It is definitely something that be telling you: NOW changes are occurring AND THAT GETS SCARY.
Maybe like the friends relating about puberty...

You want it, but then maybe - you don't?
One reason if I'd had early breast augmentation it'd have freaked me out, because I would not see this being me --- in one BIG BANG boobs stuck in front and THAT WAS IT.
All day and all night!

I am glad actually that HRT is taking things more gently (some folks get impatient, yeah well). Being now 15 month on HRT I'm hardly a 38A. Not wearing a bras will make it almost unnoticeable, so I can underplay it when I want to --- and wear a padded 38A when that seems to be the right thing to fit.

OK, there is my age and it may also slow down things --- maybe.

My family females ALL without exception had big to very big breast. Talking E, F and G! Hello - and here I am with A!
I think that you are a bit too scared about of how FAST these changes will occur. Nature will give you a break regards natural growth and let you grow with it. That is my experience to date.

Funnily enough once you are a halve decent A cup, you begin to be actually quite OK with what's happening and even going to a B cup in the nearer future may still become a "stealth AA" cup. Natural breasts will be softer and more flat not like silicon...

All I'm saying: IT IS NOTHING TO BE SCARED OF! It will go jolly slow and give you time to get used to.

And as always for the benefit of all and sundry, Ann be listening. YMMV

Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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findingreason

Thanks everyone, yes I think it may be beneficial if I do some sort of full time thing for a bit to live as female. I actually was sitting yesterday, and saw my reflection from the monitor when it was shut off and actually liked how I looked from the side dressed up. I'm also pushing up my rate of dressing for things like the TG group sessions I attend every week. Additionally I may go out for a whole day soon with a friend. Other progress is I went clothes shopping last night and I was a lot less scared to go through clothes with my friend and I payed a lot less attention to the people around me.

Axelle: I think you really hit home mostly with your post, and I think that the immediate change would freak me out, which of course would not actually happen lol. I know when I am in the state of dressing right now I have control over it, but of course when actual changes take place I will indeed have to get used to them. :laugh: And I really like you bringing up that after reaching a certain point (like A cup), that going further becomes less daunting. And YMMV has a very big role here; anything could happen, and it's really impossible to tell unless I'm in transition. :laugh: And I gotta sit back and let life happen too, instead of worrying about all the little details... :laugh:


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JungianZoe

Quote from: findingreason on August 06, 2011, 02:13:15 PM
Other progress is I went clothes shopping last night and I was a lot less scared to go through clothes with my friend and I payed a lot less attention to the people around me.

The moment I knew that I arrived was when I was out shopping for clothes with my friends and, for the first time, I forgot I was even trans.  Instead, I got totally wrapped up in the moment and the fabrics and the designs, and I realized I was in heaven.  It didn't occur to me for a few hours afterward that I'd forgotten myself and had walked around as a confident woman instead of a paranoid mess thinking that I'd be found out and ostracized.

That was a beautiful day in my transition. :)  But these things really do come in stages, not all at once!  Well, not for most people, anyway.
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findingreason

QuoteThe moment I knew that I arrived was when I was out shopping for clothes with my friends and, for the first time, I forgot I was even trans.  Instead, I got totally wrapped up in the moment and the fabrics and the designs, and I realized I was in heaven.  It didn't occur to me for a few hours afterward that I'd forgotten myself and had walked around as a confident woman instead of a paranoid mess thinking that I'd be found out and ostracized.

That was a beautiful day in my transition. :)  But these things really do come in stages, not all at once!  Well, not for most people, anyway.

It's funny too how in that experience, not that many people were really giving me any major looks, or even paying that much attention for that matter. :laugh: I'm going out tomorrow afternoon and I have been seriously debating dressing up in a skirt I just purchased last week...:) I don't know why I want to exactly, but I just am feeling like doing it.

The only problem is the whole apathy feelings towards gender and being female, etc, are increased because I have been dealing with some pretty severe depression lately :( Last night it started to get back, to the point where I lied out on my couch for like 2 hrs before I even bothered to get up and move, and that was only cause my phone decided it hated me and crashed twice...><


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JungianZoe

Quote from: findingreason on August 11, 2011, 01:09:20 AM
It's funny too how in that experience, not that many people were really giving me any major looks, or even paying that much attention for that matter. :laugh: I'm going out tomorrow afternoon and I have been seriously debating dressing up in a skirt I just purchased last week...:) I don't know why I want to exactly, but I just am feeling like doing it.

The only problem is the whole apathy feelings towards gender and being female, etc, are increased because I have been dealing with some pretty severe depression lately :( Last night it started to get back, to the point where I lied out on my couch for like 2 hrs before I even bothered to get up and move, and that was only cause my phone decided it hated me and crashed twice...><

You should totally go out in the skirt if you want to! :)  That might be just the kind of confidence boost that you need.

And I'm sorry to hear about the depression you've been suffering.  Unfortunately I know all about that little nightmare, suffering a nasty bout that's lasted since April (and crying four to eight hours a day almost every day since).  How do you normally deal with those feelings?  Does it help you to get out into society?  If so, then maybe a little excursion would give you a temporary boost!  Doesn't do anything for those moments alone, but maybe every little bit of good feeling helps to buffer against the bad times.
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justmeinoz

I agree with Zoe, maybe going out will help ease some of the Depression once you feel more natural in your presentation.  I have been on HRT for 4 months and there is a little breast growth.  Mainly on the left for some reason, and they hurt most of the time too.  That is supposed to show that something is happening, but I wish it would happen a little faster.
Getting out of the house will help with Depression, as will exercise.  So dressing and going out should help in your case too.
You'll get there Sis.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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findingreason


QuoteYou should totally go out in the skirt if you want to! :)  That might be just the kind of confidence boost that you need.

And I'm sorry to hear about the depression you've been suffering.  Unfortunately I know all about that little nightmare, suffering a nasty bout that's lasted since April (and crying four to eight hours a day almost every day since).  How do you normally deal with those feelings?  Does it help you to get out into society?  If so, then maybe a little excursion would give you a temporary boost!  Doesn't do anything for those moments alone, but maybe every little bit of good feeling helps to buffer against the bad times.

I almost did, but I think it may not be long before it happens. :) **hugs** I'm sorry you've been going through it too. :( It really sucks. Sometimes when I hit these patches it's hard to find much that will even excite me, but I just ended up talking it out with a couple friends and told myself I had to create an upward trend to prevent myself from slipping further. (Because I was aware if I kept slipping further self-harming thoughts would not be far behind) I need to get myself up enough again that I won't have doubts crushing me with gender too, because I know it is not going anywhere lol.

Today I had a really odd experience. I went to the store with my brother, and it was to get some socks and guy's underwear...(yeah...><) and well it's been literally months since I was in that department last. I stood there for a few minutes, and realized I felt VERY VERY awkward being in the guy's department. Like when in the women's clothing, I'm more nervous of others, but this time with the guy's clothes it was just plain awkward for me.


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