Question about injecting into a vein...

[dmx]

I came across this response in an old thread:

You won't die from injecting hormones directly into the vein.  It effectively wastes that shot because it will be immediately metabolized and removed.  Intramuscular injections are designed to allow the hormones to be absorbed slowly.

The real risk of having an intravenous injection is if there is air in the syringe and it is injected into the vein, it could cause an embolism, heart attack or stroke.  Part of the preparation for an injection is to ensure that there is no air in the syringe and if done properly there is no risk of this occurring.

Is that true? I thought you could also get an oil embolism.. since T is oil-based...
What is the real risk we're trying to avoid?

If someone could clarify that would be cool.

[RyGuy]

"If you hit a vein with, say, 1ml of oil, blood flow will carry the oil to the heart. The heart will then pump it to the lungs for gas exchange, but the gas exchange can't happen because the blood has been replaced with oil. The oil will stick in that spot in the lungs, resulting in a hard, nasty cough. In addition, the heart will beat profusely as it tries harder and harder to produce some gas exchange. I know a very reputable source who told me that injecting as little as 3ml this way has resulted in death."

from a bodybuilding website on injecting testosterone and other oil-based steroids IM

"ARE YOU SURE IT WILL HURT ME IF I INJECT INTO A VEIN? Not only yes, but hell yes. First, the T isn't what hurts you, it's the oil the T is suspended in, that's the culprit. WHY? On the way to the heart, the oil can cause a blood clot and if it doesn't it probably will when it gets into the heart chambers. If you develop a clot in the leg, you could lose the leg. If a clot forms in the heart muscle, you could have a heart attack. If a clot were to form and get to the brain, stroke is a real threat. You could die, no kidding."

from an FTM site

[dmx]

"If you hit a vein with, say, 1ml of oil, blood flow will carry the oil to the heart. The heart will then pump it to the lungs for gas exchange, but the gas exchange can't happen because the blood has been replaced with oil. The oil will stick in that spot in the lungs, resulting in a hard, nasty cough. In addition, the heart will beat profusely as it tries harder and harder to produce some gas exchange. I know a very reputable source who told me that injecting as little as 3ml this way has resulted in death."

from a bodybuilding website on injecting testosterone and other oil-based steroids IM

"ARE YOU SURE IT WILL HURT ME IF I INJECT INTO A VEIN? Not only yes, but hell yes. First, the T isn't what hurts you, it's the oil the T is suspended in, that's the culprit. WHY? On the way to the heart, the oil can cause a blood clot and if it doesn't it probably will when it gets into the heart chambers. If you develop a clot in the leg, you could lose the leg. If a clot forms in the heart muscle, you could have a heart attack. If a clot were to form and get to the brain, stroke is a real threat. You could die, no kidding."

from an FTM site

Thanks.... that's just what I suspected... oil embolism.

[RyGuy]

Thanks.... that's just what I suspected... oil embolism.

definitely. it's good to know how serious it can be though, because so many guys think that aspirating is just an unnecessary step. they won't feel the same way after they have a stroke...