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my thoughts on passing/spiritual transition

Started by Torn1990, August 23, 2011, 12:12:19 PM

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Torn1990



I made a video to update on my transition and i talk about


the politics of passing interrupting something important: Passing in our own eyes and not always being concerned if we pass in the eyes of others.. The hateful, judging eyes.
If youre trying to pass does that mean that you are considering that you as a woman are fake and you're just hoping you pass? We are women. We don't/shouldn't be concerned with "passing"

queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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RhinoP

Honestly, I don't mean to beat the bush into a bramble, but what's the last time you had a straight boyfriend?

The reality is that I just find many of these types of concepts offensive. I don't find myself "fake" and thus want to pass. I want to pass simply because it's a scientific process (documented by hundreds of studies I've read over my years of education) that helps new people on the street, in the workplace, and in the dating field "see" me for who I truly am on the inside, because without that, people make fun of me and shun me instead. I am living proof myself of what the studies say (as it is right now, every single family member and friend has abandoned me because they all have said that it's "weird" seeing such a "masculine-looking" man act like a woman) and that's why I want to achieve a scientific appearance, that by statistic and percentage, displays me with the characteristics that are, by clinical textbook and documented society view, more overtly womanly than manly. Extreme contradictions freak people out.

Does that mean I don't accept myself for who I am on the inside? Not at all. I have extreme confidence in who I am on the inside, that's why I know I'm making the right choices for me on the outside. So what if you believe you're happier than I am? So what if you believe you know some secret of the universe that I don't? I'm realistically unhappy with my body and face, realistically unhappy with my many problems in my life, both concerning my health and the trauma that I have been through with my abusive family and peers, and being in that realism is what compels me to seek the exact cures that I know will make me happy, even if no one, not even Transpeople, want to help me get what I want. And that cure is not any sort of new-age, religious, spiritual, disproven nonsense, though that type of nonsense (which is only supported by internet blogs and 1982 psychiatry books that are designed to make senior citizens and mothers of three feel better about themselves) indeed can work for people who do have a neurological pre-disposition to believe in the impossible and supernatural.

However, I would say that the real reason that spirtitual transition works for you is because, even though you do look more masculine than female, you do look much more female in bone structure than I personally do, which is probably why at least a few of your friends or family members accept you as "you". Or who knows, maybe you live in a more accepting city than I do, with a more accepting family, with some blessings in your life. But when you're homeless on and off without a single friend, without a single family member, with handicaps that prevent you from getting a job, and living every day with memories of being raped and abused, that spiritual mess fades very quickly.

I won't say that I don't do the very same thing though; I get by with my days by telling myself I'm a talented writer, a talented actor, a talented singer, a talented musician, a hard worker with a high IQ, ect ect. But the difference is that I actually have proof of those things on documented paper, things I've already accomplished. With being female, it's not as easy because I do not have the blessing of looking in the mirror and seeing any percentage of female no matter how much make-up I put on; it's just not there in my extremely androgenic and Native American bone structure. Even the most extensive ->-bleeped-<- make-up techniques do nothing to hide my extreme facial deformities that are more extensive than that of even most males in the entire world. With your case, you could by extents pass as female, or at least a vision of "cute, happy, and passive", with enough primping. You have a bone structure that conveys happiness and brightness, and I do not even have that. It's a tool that most people just do not realize the innate benefits of.

I'm sorry for saying all this though, and I'm not really directing any of this toward you specifically because I honestly have no clue about your life and what you've been through, but the reality about all this spiritual "I don't have to transition because I know a secret of the universe." type stuff always sounds like it's smarter than everyone else. It has to claim that other Transpeople are "fake" before it works for you. It has to make you feel smarter before it works for you. But true confidence is when you believe in yourself without having a single spiritual or scientific reason to believe in yourself, to know that you're worth achieving your dreams simply because you're a living creature. While spirituality may help someone accept a current situation, it tries to erase the person's knowledge that they deserve better, and I'd rather live knowing that I deserve better than accepting failure for eternity. I refuse to accept that I'll never date the man of my dreams, I won't accept that I'll never be able to become an actress, I refuse to accept that I'll never look like a woman, and I'll do whatever it takes to achieve those things because my heart wants them more than any emotion in the entire world, and no simple supernatural concept, no matter how comforting, can replace that.
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Pinkfluff

Quote from: Torn1990 on August 23, 2011, 12:12:19 PM
If youre trying to pass does that mean that you are considering that you as a woman are fake and you're just hoping you pass? We are women. We don't/shouldn't be concerned with "passing"

This is why I don't like and don't use the term "pass". Pass is what I do to the slow truck on the highway. Sure I go through much effort to make this ugly body look as presentable as possible, but beyond that (and with no money) there is nothing that I can do. People either get my gender correct or they do not. They do seem to most of the time, fortunately, but if they don't it is not me that is wrong. Heck I have seen people misidentify cis people too, so we clearly cannot trust that every person we encounter is able to accurately determine a person's gender all of the time. I'm sure all of us here have even made such a mistake at least once in our lives.

Quote from: RhinoP on August 26, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
Honestly, I don't mean to beat the bush into a bramble, but what's the last time you had a straight boyfriend?

What does this have to do with anything? I don't know about the OP but I'm a lesbian, so my answer to that would be never. I'm not looking for that kind of relationship anyway so even accounting for gay people that question is irrelevant.

Quote from: RhinoP on August 26, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
"I don't have to transition because I know a secret of the universe."

I don't think anyone is saying that they don't have to "transition". This is a medical problem that needs treatment, but a person's medical history does not determine who they are.

Quote from: RhinoP on August 26, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
But true confidence is when you believe in yourself without having a single spiritual or scientific reason to believe in yourself, to know that you're worth achieving your dreams simply because you're a living creature.

Being a living creature is definitely a scientific reason, and arguably a spiritual one as well. Confidence certainly doesn't have to be linked to spirituality, but there is nothing wrong with being confident because of your beliefs either.

Quote from: RhinoP on August 26, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
While spirituality may help someone accept a current situation, it tries to erase the person's knowledge that they deserve better

Trust me, nothing could make me forget that I deserve so much better than the way this country has treated me. In fact my spirituality helps me remember to keep up the fight when you just want to give up and make the pain stop.
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girlinprogress

Quote from: RhinoP on August 26, 2011, 03:50:16 PM



However, I would say that the real reason that spirtitual transition works for you is because, even though you do look more masculine than female, you do look much more female in bone structure than I personally do, which is probably why at least a few of your friends or family members accept you as "you". Or who knows, maybe you live in a more accepting city than I do, with a more accepting family, with some blessings in your life. But when you're homeless on and off without a single friend, without a single family member, with handicaps that prevent you from getting a job, and living every day with memories of being raped and abused, that spiritual mess fades very quickly.


Rhino

I've been there too, violently beaten by my sperm donor,  raped, beaten and molested by step-dads, homeless, and I am disabled as well (kidney dysfunction among many other things).

Do I get reminded of that every day? NO. F*** NO. Why? I don't want to, nor do I have to. I am woman, I rawr writ freakin' HUGE. They took nothing from me but my body, which I still have (as repulsive as I think it is...for now). They didn't take a damn thing from me. A little bit of power...I TOOK IT BACK!!!

Do not be a victim, be victorious. Be empowered. The "old you" doesn't exist, it never has. It was merely a caricature of a man. They took nothing from YOU.

As your body has since healed, so does your mind. You have to let it. You may have scars, but I wear mine proudly. Scars are an indicator of survival.

I can't convince you of the existence of God, nor will I try. That's His job, I'm just one of His daughters. He is my Dad, my creator.

Torn is right , to a point. In my view. I have issue with the theory of us feeling fake. Passing is about acceptance. It's about blending into society seamlessly, as our true selves.
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