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Totally Passed Then Obviously Clocked

Started by Julie Marie, February 18, 2007, 12:13:13 PM

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Julie Marie

Friday night Sandy and I went out to a TG friendly bar.  I hadn't been there in quite a while and hoped to meet up with some old friends.  Sandy met a guy there who was enamoured with her and she spent a lot of time with him.  He later came up to me and asked if I was okay with me talking to her.  I said as long as she doesn't object I certainly don't.

The next day Sandy tells me the guy said to her he knew I was a woman.  "I kind of peeked down her blouse and checked her butt out.  She's a woman."  Well I was totally flattered!  I must have asked her half a dozen times, "Now, what did he say again?"  ;D

Last night we stopped at a burrito place to get a take out.  One of the cooks in back looked right at me and smiled, not flirtatiously.  On the drive home Sandy mentioned how the guy clocked us, totally.  All the wind left my sails.

To get such a flattering comment then follow it with such an obvious read really bummed me out.  Just when I'm convinced I can be stealth this happens.   :(

I'm realistic.  I know I have male markers I will be able to do nothing about.  But when I'm out doing everyday things I never get a "read" look and I've found myself more comfortable because of that.  Then this happens and it sets me back.  It's not a major setback by any means.  I'm not depressed or anything, just a little bummed out.

Okay, I'm done whining now.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Melissa

Yeah I understand.  I can get down in the dumps if I even suspect I was read (which I think happens somewhat regularly).

Melissa
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KarenLyn

I'll bet you get read regularly alright... as female. I can't imagine anyone mistaking you as male.

Karen Lyn
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Melissa

Quote from: KarenLyn on February 18, 2007, 12:44:35 PM
I'll bet you get read regularly alright... as female. I can't imagine anyone mistaking you as male.

Karen Lyn

Of course a lot of people see me as female since I'm fulltime.  I meant read as TS.

Melissa
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KarenLyn

To be read as TS they'd have to be thinking you used to be a man. I don't see it happening hon.

Karen Lyn
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Melissa

Quote from: KarenLyn on February 18, 2007, 04:29:10 PM
To be read as TS they'd have to be thinking you used to be a man. I don't see it happening hon.

Thanks Karen. :)

Melissa
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Sheila

To all three of you. Don't worry about it. What I see in your pictures are three wonderful women. Have fun and don't worry about what others think. They don't know and you are not going to tell them.
Sheila
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Kelly-47

Quote from: Sheila on February 18, 2007, 04:49:19 PM
To all three of you. Don't worry about it. What I see in your pictures are three wonderful women. Have fun and don't worry about what others think. They don't know and you are not going to tell them.
Sheila

What she said!
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Melissa

Quote from: Sheila on February 18, 2007, 04:49:19 PM
To all three of you. Don't worry about it. What I see in your pictures are three wonderful women.
Make that 4 now. ;)

Melissa
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Steph

Hey there Julie, don't fret it happens now and then.  It's a little blow to the old ego, try to draw something positive from the encounter such as what could have tipped them off, was it something you said, something you did, body language etc.  Don't dwell on the negative.

Chat later hon.

Steph
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Julie Marie

Quote from: Steph on February 18, 2007, 05:51:59 PM
what could have tipped them off, was it something you said, something you did, body language etc. 

Steph

Maybe ordering one of their "football sized" burritos gave me away!  :laugh:

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Melissa

Quote from: Julie Marie on February 18, 2007, 06:55:57 PM
Maybe ordering one of their "football sized" burritos gave me away!  :laugh:

Julie

Did you eat it all?

Melissa
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Susan

I hate the term clocked. Call me old fashioned read works best for me....
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Krisstina



Quote from: Steph on February 18, 2007, 05:51:59 PM
Hey there Julie, don't fret it happens now and then.  It's a little blow to the old ego, try to draw something positive from the encounter such as what could have tipped them off, was it something you said, something you did, body language etc.  Don't dwell on the negative.

Chat later hon.

Steph

Sounds fair to me I think no matter what you do some people are just super tuned in and they just read you when most people just see a woman.

When I feel this has happened to me I do what Steph suggested and use it to turn up the volume and work harder towards totally passing. If im not feeling that energetic I try to ACCEPT IT for what it is a fact of life here or there.


Smiles for you
Kristina 
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Kate

Quote from: Julie Marie on February 18, 2007, 12:13:13 PM
Last night we stopped at a burrito place to get a take out.  One of the cooks in back looked right at me and smiled, not flirtatiously.  On the drive home Sandy mentioned how the guy clocked us, totally.  All the wind left my sails.

Awl, well hey, are you SURE that was an obvious read? I mean heck, a guy could be smiling at you, or maybe he was smiling at something someone just said, or a joke he just remembered, or... ?

Kate
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Krisstina

Quote from: Kate on February 18, 2007, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Julie Marie on February 18, 2007, 12:13:13 PM
Last night we stopped at a burrito place to get a take out.  One of the cooks in back looked right at me and smiled, not flirtatiously.  On the drive home Sandy mentioned how the guy clocked us, totally.  All the wind left my sails.

Awl, well hey, are you SURE that was an obvious read? I mean heck, a guy could be smiling at you, or maybe he was smiling at something someone just said, or a joke he just remembered, or... ?

Kate



true thats a bit vague. Good point!

Kristina
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cindianna_jones

The thing is, sometimes you don't pass well and people wonder.  There will come a time when you might get an odd look, but rarely will you get clocked.  There is great diversity and people are used to that.  Most people can't put all the clues together when there are obvious feminine traits.

Don a worry aboud it.  Be happy.

Chin up!

Cindi
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Maud

I try not to be too paranoid but small things can still set me off, like today in the IT department I was trying to get something sorted out and the woman at the desk asked annother woman walking past "could you give us a hand with a problem she's having" now because they had thick scottish accents the different between she and he not a big one and I thought they said he at first.


More and more i'm slowly letting go of things like that, like I used to sort of emmerse myself in social awareness to see who was looking at me who maybe read me ect and it's just not worth the fuss, I stopped because people just stopped reading me but I wish I stopped earlier as it's just not worth the angst.
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passiflora

QuoteFriday night Sandy and I went out to a TG friendly bar.  I hadn't been there in quite a while and hoped to meet up with some old friends.  Sandy met a guy there who was enamoured with her and she spent a lot of time with him.  He later came up to me and asked if I was okay with me talking to her.  I said as long as she doesn't object I certainly don't.

The next day Sandy tells me the guy said to her he knew I was a woman.  "I kind of peeked down her blouse and checked her butt out.  She's a woman."  Well I was totally flattered!  I must have asked her half a dozen times, "Now, what did he say again?" 

Actually, just by this statment, any of us would have already been read from the very begining. If we are going to TG, or TS freindly places, then that means the people there are used to seeing TS's or what not. Also just the fact that a guy might "confirm" with our friends, or his freinds that we were "a woman" is further eveidence that he was already turned on towards suspicion to any woman that he meets that night, so he knew that TS's would probbly be there that night. Just becuase we might win a "suspicion" game, doesn't mean that we should assume that we won a "stealth" game, which is another reason why I don't like that term stealth, it infers hiding or something. Passing as a woman is totally different than Being a woman, and Living as a female, as opposed to living as a Passable transsexual. Which there is nothing wrong that if thats the path a person chooses and the way someone wants to live.

But if we are wanting to be females, live women's lives, and "pass" as who we are, than "TG" freindly places is not the places that we need to look for validation. These are just places that we may occasionaly win the suspicion games, but we are not passing the "life" game in places like this. Natal woman don't have to pass confirmation assements in their daily lives, to be validated as females, so neaither should we. 

I can go out to eat with my parents, or go shopping in WalMart with my mom, or go to a teenage laden malt shop at night, or go on a date with my boyfriend anytime, or go to work, and never be taken for anything other than the girl I am. However, I can go to the Bann Sirri in BKK, or I can go to the local TS freindly Club, or to my electrolgist and be Read imeadiatly, or at the very least be suspected. All beit I will pass the "suspicion" game, and it will prolly be agreed upon that I am "stealth" or at the least a very passable and pretty TS girl, but I won't be read as just an everday no need to explain female, and in my mind this is not validation of anything, no matter how good or bad I look. 

Also I would just like to point out that I am not saying anything about having to be "beautiful". or "pretty" to pass. Its just about being female, and living as a girl, or a woman, and this has nothing to do with being pretty. I would anyday rather be an ugly girl that never gets noticed, than to be a gorgeous transsexual that lives "stealth" and passes the suspicion test for validation.

we can all get read or suspected no matter of our physical presence. This depends on our lifestyle, the type of life we live, the vibe we send out, the places we go, the people we hang out with, and the way we feel about ourselves. A lot of the times, we get ourselves read. A lot of the times we are our own worst enemy's, we confirm suspicon by the life we lead, or by the feelings we have of ourselves, or from the places that we seek validation.

Our validation and confirmation is best when it comes from annoymus third party prespective, from average jane doe in the world worrying about her own life. This is where we need to put ourselves, and just disappear into the woodwork, forgeting how to even read ourselves, validating ourselves in the process, in our own lives.

-pass-

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Suzy

Julie,

So sorry that happened to you.  As has been said, no way to know if your perceptions were right or not.  But let's say they were.  OK, have a good cry and if you need a good shoulder, here's mine.


Now that being said, please know that you are one of my favorite people on here.  I love to look at your avatar and wish I could look as good as you do.  You're gorgeous, girl!  I would suspect that may have been what drew the stare.

Peace,
Kristi
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