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IA's Q&A: When your GID is triggered, what types of thoughts fill your head?

Started by Just Kate, August 28, 2011, 10:57:11 PM

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Just Kate

In an effort to enable me to open back up communication and to learn more about our shared experiences, I plan to create a few new threads regularly with simple, direct, questions.  Feel free to answer as succinctly as you wish so as not to hinder communication (basically I don't want anyone feeling they have to write a book - I'd rather just hear from you even if it just a few short sentences).

So here goes:  When your GID is triggered, what types of thoughts fill your head?

I'll answer for myself first:
When I'm triggered, I feel things like, "the world wouldn't expect x of me if I were a girl"  or "it would be perfectly acceptable for me to do x if I were a girl" etc.  This spirals into depression causing me to feel terrible that I have expectations on me because of my male sex - expectations that I don't necessarily meet.
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Wolfsnake

Most of my thoughts are along the lines of "I'll never have the body I should have been born with," or "No one will ever treat me like a regular guy."
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JungianZoe

The very first one, always:

"Nobody will ever want to be with me.  Nobody could ever love me.  I'm going to be alone forever, so maybe I should just end it now."

Then it's usually hours and hours of crying as I think about how I've never been asked out or approached by a guy, so my thoughts must be true.  And then more hours of crying.  And then a nap.  And then nothing gets done all day and I cry because I did nothing all day.  Then it's bedtime.

That's most days recently.  I need a job to get my mind off things.  But the job search makes me cry too.  "I can't do anything.  Nobody will want me.  I'm worthless to everyone."  I just can't win right now.
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RhinoP

Honestly, posts like these make me advocate hormones and plastic surgery so much. Why be sad in the body you don't enjoy? Face it, anyone who's at all upset over being Transgender is only upset because they don't like their body, it's not like any of us can't find jobs specifically because of our nature (and trust me, the only Transgenders who are discriminated are the ones who do not pass, we can make a list of users right now and compare a ratio of appearance vs. rate of discrimination and taunts, I'd bet anyone over $1,000 that the most passable and attractive of us are the least discriminated in any form or measure, and the least lonely.) Even the way our family accepts us is all based on appearance, I remember one study I read not long ago proved that passable Trans are %40 more supported by their parents than those who are born looking very not-passable. It's all relative.

Not that I'm pushing agendas, but I mean, why live unhappily? I mean, I look like a ogre mixed with a ninja turtle, but I know what my choice path is (more craniofacial surgery than Joan Rivers has had facelifts!) and quite frankly, people do it all the time. This is 2011, to me it's just shocking how conservative this forum is compared with all the stories and experiences across the net of other Trans who undergo surgery out the wazoo. They all love the transformations they've done! Sure, it's nothing to joke about and it's very expensive, very serious medical steps, but I mean c'mon, just like my ancestors (Native Americans) paved the way for America before anyone else did, we as Transpeople paved the way for surgeries like SRS, which would have never been invented if we didn't need it. Hop on the ball with craniofacial surgery too, it's no different!

Of coarse, I'm stuck in the same position as most everyone else; I can't afford it because insurance hates our needs. But personally, just the thought of saying "This is what I know I want, I'm sure of the path I'm taking, I know what will make me happy." gives me hope. If these types of surgeries simply did not exist, I would have committed suicide a very, very long time ago. The the fact that these types of surgeries happen is the concept that literally saved my life. I should have been put on anti-androgens when I was 11, that's what I deserved as an obedient, respectful child, but my parents didn't do that. It doesn't mean I don't deserve to make the choice to surgically undo what the lack of antiandrogens caused me. If hormone therapy could rearrange the bones in my face, I'd be 100% against craniofacial surgery (because surgery is indeed dangerous), but it can't do that.
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Pinkfluff

I don't accept the term "GID" for this condition, but that aside, it is pretty much always "wish I lived in my own body" for me, or else "must be nice" in response to others who have what I don't.

Quote from: Zoƫ Natasha on August 28, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
"Nobody will ever want to be with me.  Nobody could ever love me.  I'm going to be alone forever, so maybe I should just end it now."

This too sometimes.

Quote from: RhinoP on August 28, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
it's not like any of us can't find jobs specifically because of our nature (and trust me, the only Transgenders who are discriminated are the ones who do not pass

That's... simply not true...
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RhinoP

Quote from: Pinkfluff on August 29, 2011, 12:01:57 AM
That's... simply not true...

I've personally never have been called fat, because I weigh 115lbs. However, I know many people who have both been called fat and have been fired for being fat, because they are in the 185-285lbs range. However, because of my severely masculine face and female personality, I've been called names like ogre, ugly, monster, gargoyle, loser, pimple-face, grease monkey, baboon, cave man, gorilla, nerd, "ew!", "why does your face look so deformed?", barbarian, ect ect. Many employers have told me I'm not suited for various jobs despite having an ACT score higher than 93% of the people in the entire country, despite having an absolutely perfect credit rating (never have once been in debt or have taken out a loan), and despite not having a single legal or divorce record (not even a driving or parking ticket.) Most often, I've had family members, friends, and again, employers, who have told me that I'm too ugly and manly to pass as female, especially for the professional and non-disruptive image that the job position requires. (I'm talking about professional, stimulating jobs, not Walmart, a Pawn Shop, or McDonald's.)

Discrimination exists, and it's certainly much deeper than simply being Transsexual or a variant of it. Sure, many people here probably do not get discriminated against every day, but then again, I would bet most people here have very low standards of what jobs they work, most of them being jobs that probably hide them behind a computer or kitchen, even jobs they work at from the home. People who do not believe in their self-image often subconciously set low bars for jobs (that often follow patterns, [ex. jobs that do not require appearance]). If everyone here took the chance to put themselves out in the world as much as I used to (something that's essential for most people to achieve happiness), there truly are people here who'd learn very fast how the world works, and then there's those who well, because they're very pretty and do pass perfectly, wouldn't nor still haven't experienced extreme discrimination to this day. And as always, there's people who refuse to stick their head outside their front door unless it's do go to a Trans meeting, Best Freind's House, or Antique Shop, and well, you know....look at me, look at this forum, being a hermit never amounts to happiness.

It all brings one back to and answers the question of "Why does someone's GID get all triggered and up in a wad?" If someone's happy, they're happy, and if they're not, then either something in the real world is causing it (or a lack of something [ex. excitement, romance, adventure, creativity, confidence, beauty, passability, money, ect ect], which I find to be the cause of 99% of the depression out there) or they plain out have a chemical imbalance specific to depression, which is not the case if the person can describe, to some extent, why they are stressed. Even if someone doesn't know why they are stressed, it just takes a little digging, and because I've been a consultant for so long (concerning primarily plastic surgery), and have counseled and interviewed so many patients and people (2000+), it's still always shocking to me just how much physical self-image always ties to the psyche and subconcious actions. We all here simply would not be Transsexual if we were born of the sex and image we want to be. At the very, very least, everyone here wants to have a different genitalia. It's what it having GID is. It's a self-image issue, and so far, I believe the only way it can be cured is by physical surgery or otherwise such a enormous lifestyle (being a millionaire, being president, being famous) that its takes the mind totally off transitioning. People cannot be hermits and expect GID to fade.

I mean look at all the posts above, most professionals (and users) would tell those people "Golly gee, you sound suicidal about your self-image, it is absolutely not realistic nor right in any one case to want to change the appearance surgically or hormonally, so you need to be put on 12 pills for depression and you need to pay me $120 to see me once a week, and you have to wait a year on RLE because I need to earn more than $2,000 off you." (most therapists say this) while I say "Get hormones, get surgery (on whatever you want to), get out of the house more, get a much livelier job, get happy." I personally think mine sounds like a better plan. In the end, both paths costs just about the same thing. 15 years of therapy could have paid for a brow-bossing procedure or a jaw-shave, hormones, hair laser, or even SRS. Why conform one's self to a body or face that makes one constantly think "I'll never pass". Either that person hasn't found the right wig, or they plain out need some "medical rearrangements".

And then of coarse, everyone here probably has other problems that are bothering them too, primarily deaths, debt, confidence issues (non-Trans specific), and health issues, but those things don't really trigger GID self-image depression, which really is what this thread's about.


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spacial

Quote from: Sarah7 on August 28, 2011, 11:17:55 PM
"You're a vile, twisted, mockery of a person. You'll never be a real girl. You'll always be a monster. Weak, pathetic, useless, worthless. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you..."

Well put Sarah.
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420NEKO

"What's the point of transitioning? You'll still hate yourself."     

"You're probably just a lesbian in denial."   

"You don't really want to be a guy."   

"You'll be dead one day, so why even try?"     

"It's a waste of money."       

"You're a pussy. You'll never be able to give yourself an injection."

"You'll always be an ugly monster."

"People will think you're just a hairy ugly girl."

"You're just making this all up. You're delusional."



Things like that... :/   

Then I usually block everything about gender out of my mind, tell myself to stfu, or tell myself opposite things. Like, "You'll be a hot guy. Think of how much more comfortable you'll be with yourself. All the sexy guys will be staring at you." And I think about how fun it'll be to start working out and actually gain muscle.
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Pinkfluff

Quote from: RhinoP on August 29, 2011, 01:45:50 AM
Many employers have told me I'm not suited for various jobs

I get the same thing. They say I'm overqualified for hourly jobs, but then they won't hire me for professional (engineering in my case) jobs either, despite having a Master's degree and applying to entry-level jobs. I've done many interviews, and even had managers say all kinds of good things to me, but yet still not a single offer. Then I see people equally or less qualified, some not even citizens, given jobs. I know one person who was given a systems engineer job with little or no training in systems or software, and who didn't even pass the drug test. Privilege will sure get you alot won't it?

Quote from: RhinoP on August 29, 2011, 01:45:50 AM
Discrimination exists, and it's certainly much deeper than simply being Transsexual or a variant of it.

Now this I agree with. Your previous post seemed to be saying the opposite.

Quote from: .Alexander on August 29, 2011, 04:08:27 AM
"You'll be dead one day, so why even try?"     

That could apply to anything... Thank the Gods this body will be dead one day but that doesn't mean I deserve to live in suffering this whole life.
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Janet_Girl

Short answers.

"I will never be able to get SRS"
"I will never be pretty"
"I will never have anyone"
"I am better off died"
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bojangles

Before transition, mostly just "Yuck" as I cringed and looked away.

During transition, more of the same while waiting for noticeable changes, along with thoughts of being a freak.
Thinking the lower half will never match the bearded half & wanting to stay home.
Wondering if this is really worth the losses and awkwardness
Thinking "Why now? You survived this long like that" and at the same time regretting not transitioning years ago...and spending most of my life half asleep/half alive.
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Vincent E.S.

You're terrified of needles anyway, you'll never be able to get hormones....

You just think you're a gay guy, but no gay guy would ever want something like you....

Unlovable...

You'll always hate yourself, no matter what...

You'll never be able to completely transition...
It won't work...
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Tamaki

You'll never be a "real" girl.
You're ugly so why even try to be pretty.
Everyone wil see right through you if you try to be a girl.
You're a freak.
Other women will never accept you as one of their own.
You're just a gay guy, admit it.
This isn't what my body is supposed to look like.
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Miniar

I don't get words.
I get emotions.

I feel as if my body will never be right.
As if I can never overcome the things that are wrong with it.
And I start hating every little feminine part, no matter how ridiculously minuscule.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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LifeInNeon

Sometimes I see a guy in the mirror and I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who treats me like anything but.
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Kelly J. P.


Types of thoughts? It starts with self-pity, and moves on into an attempt to overcome those feelings and thoughts by becoming a marytr. Feeling as if I carry the weight of the world on my shoulders, and pretending to be okay with that. Feeling like I can handle and overcome everything that goes wrong with life, be able to carry my suffering and keep smiling...

I doubt, however, that I can do that forever. That steel skin doesn't last forever. I hope, though, that it will last until my ffs/srs... or that I can fix those things in my life before things get worse. Getting a new job where they didn't previously know me as male would help.
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AmySmiles

Feelings of disgust with my body, followed by feelings of inadequacy, self-hatred, and hopelessness.  These were usually accompanied by thoughts of "why do I even bother with anything at all?"

The only dysphoria I've felt since going full-time has been on days where I felt like I wasn't passing.
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MarinaM

My body is quicksand
I'm a fraud
No one should see me
I am everyone's burden

Edit: the darkest: someone should kill me, I can't even...
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Lisbeth

Quote from: interalia on August 28, 2011, 10:57:11 PM
So here goes:  When your GID is triggered, what types of thoughts fill your head?
Triggered? That's making an assumption that the feeling of wrongness ever goes away to be triggered again.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Just Kate

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 30, 2011, 10:41:11 AM
Triggered? That's making an assumption that the feeling of wrongness ever goes away to be triggered again.

For me at least and others I know, the dysphoria waxes and wanes though a constant hum can always be detected.  I have triggers that send the dysphoria raging and I was sharing the types of thoughts that enter my head when it does.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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