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How do you know that it isn't just a phase?

Started by Jay.Abbas, August 20, 2011, 12:57:54 PM

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Quote from: tekla on August 22, 2011, 06:09:22 PM
And I'm not sure about the first point.  40 years ago there were so few options, that there was not a lot to obsess about.

I think you're right. I didn't start obsessing until I saw genuine possibilities. The first couple of times, obsessing didn't interfere with job or school or relationship, and I shut it down pretty quickly. The last time went on for a bit, but that's the time that I transitioned, of course.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

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varelse

Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 22, 2011, 08:53:59 AM
The duration that it lasts.

A phase will eventually wear itself out.  If you doubt you are transgender, just wait.  If you still doubt you are transgender, wait some more.  If you are still waiting and there is still dysphoria, it is not a phase.
Thats why I'm waiting things out, partially to figure out just where in the spectrum of things I am, and to see if its just a phase my mind is playing with.
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JungianZoe

Quote from: Arch on August 22, 2011, 06:17:29 PM
I think you're right. I didn't start obsessing until I saw genuine possibilities. The first couple of times, obsessing didn't interfere with job or school or relationship, and I shut it down pretty quickly. The last time went on for a bit, but that's the time that I transitioned, of course.

That was pretty much my experience too, but it was based more off experience than information.  Sure, I looked at before and after pictures of surgery.  Sure, I watched Youtube videos of people who were in (or finished) successful transitions.  But my obsessiveness about things didn't start until I actually began my transition and started having success.  And obsessions became progressively quicker to acquire.

At first, I wasn't in a rush to start hormones.  Then I started them and became obsessed about seeing development.  From thinking about HRT to starting was two years.

I wasn't in a rush to come out after I started HRT, but then I started to see changes.  Due to the changes, I became obsessed with coming out to everyone.  Time from start of HRT to coming out was five months (but only a month after seeing the first changes taking place).

After coming out, I wasn't in a rush to go full time.  Then my friend gave me some clothes and I started full time the very next day.  Time from coming out to the very first person to going full time was 15 days.

After going full time, I wasn't insistent on people using the right name or pronouns.  But I was immediately passing 100% of the time and decided it was time for everyone who knew me personally to recognize that.  Time from going full time to correcting people was 2 days.

Time from first saying "Please call me ZoĆ« from now on" to obsessing about having SRS and finishing physical transition?  Seconds.
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yaka

Because I can't go back to my female life ever again.
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Jay.Abbas

Thanks, guys.

My biggest fear by far is pretty much being considered 'not trans' by, say, the therapist, even if these feelings will still be there. So I'll just end up staying like this and feeling like gagging every time I look into the mirror. A phase? Well, I am thinking. I had no reason to think I am a boy then. Of course, what was the difference between men and women, anyway? I didn't care. I was too busy fantasizing of cloning dinosaurs.

I did think I was going to turn into a boy around 7. But it was nothing major, and now I definitely do not remember what my reaction to saying that was, let alone the reason I even said it. I just made a serious face and told my mother and grandmother that this is what will happen. 5 years later I got a nice little bloody 'birthday present' and I couldn't stop crying over it, because it felt downright wrong. I didn't want it. It felt like some violation of my body or something. Cr*p growing out of my chest, the hips, everything was some sick joke. Still is. So, after that, I was furious and resorted to wearing more stereotypically male clothes to, perhaps, 'cancel out' what was going on. And then I found out about gender identity disorder.

It was kinda like a wake up slap in the face. I was literally staring at the computer screen in shock and wondered whether the author of the article had telepathic abilities. I found out that I could become a boy, and so plunged into the immense world of research, reading and watching almost everything there was to read and watch. It was great. I was both fascinated and genuinely felt that it related to me as well. Until my mother made one unexpected remark and the confetti dropped down. That was precisely the moment I began to obsess over whether it was a short phase and began to doubt myself, even though the discomfort became stronger.

I also suspect that this is just the beginning, to be honest. Sometimes I try to think, what is even the reason for me wanting to be a guy? What's the point? I'll just stay a girl and pretend to be a butch lesbian, as a form of 'insurance'. After all, what are the chances of me losing my job if I am just some girl dressing up like a tomboy versus a pill popping 'heck knows what'? Again, do not be offended. You know as well as I do, this is what the general population thinks of transgenders... I always get this happy jolt in my stomach when someone tells me 'you look like a guy' or 'gee, you're such a tomboy' or whatever the hell else. I really, really like that. It is as if every time someone makes such a remark I am a step closer to something. I persistently scare myself and think negatively but it is definitely not helping.

And as far as finding a gender therapist goes... my parents will not be happy, my grandparents will get heart failure once they find out, and I doubt it'll be easy to find one in Moscow. So I talk to myself instead.







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Kendall

I assume by "phase" you mean a temporary issue that will go away in time - somehow not quite real or serious. It is hard sometimes to know if what we feel is serious or real. Especially if we have experience in denying or repressing our feelings. It is hard to hold onto our own sense of ourselves when others deny or minimize our struggles. Even if it is temporary, a way of exploring how to be yourself in the world, it is important and significant.

I think that there are an infinite variety of paths an destinations in out transgender experiences. It is inherently confusing to step outside of society's stereotypes and be different. We do not have to, cannot, be all "different" in the same way!

I think that one of the ways in which we differ is that some people have a very strong and definite sense of gender very early. Others of us have almost no sense of gender for a very long time. And everything in between.

What I mean by "no sense of gender" is that I accepted with no particular intensity my "gender assigned at birth" for a long time. I think it was not a huge problem in part because my family was not into extreme stereotyped polarization of gender - my father was not macho and my mother was not very "femme" and I did almost everything my sisters did. Actually, as the oldest, I was a junior parent and cleaned and fed and bottled and diapered and brushed hair and so on all the time. I played house with my younger siblings when I did child-care. Not so much stress. I became a therapist and my work is nurturing and compassionate - I did not have the kinds of conflicts I would have as and engineer or a construction worker. I have worked for thirty years as an activist in the "pro-feminist" mens movement trying to show how "male stereotypes" are unhealthy for men and women. I always had girl friends; I never went through a girls are yucky phase. I think I married in part to be a part of the feminine world vicariously. I even sewed my first wife a dress.

After my second divorce I started really looking at myself and my life - and how I felt as well as thought about things. I went through "phases" and may still be in phases, trying to understand. You see, in my life, I learned early to hide myself way down deep, and chameleon-like I tried to be whatever my surroundings needed me to be. Many oldest kids are good at pleasing adults or authorities.
I also grew up poor and moved a lot. I had lots of obvious reasons for feeling always a little "off" like something didn't fit.

I have always felt I did not fit. (Was that a phase?)

I have been in therapy off and on for thirty years, in part because I felt I do not fit being male. I blamed the social stereotypes for being inhumane and defective. Which they are. For thirty years I have struggled to find a definition of being male that worked for me. Only recently have I realized no definition of male fits me. I went through an "androgyny" phase (and it is still somewhat true of me) and a " gender-queer" phase ( I still like that too), and now I am in a "I like being called mam" phase and I want hormones and my own breasts - it is all good. It is the path I am on.

Logic is not the most important thing for me on my path. I look for moments when something inside goes "click." when I dress male and look in the mirror and feel "who is that?" but when I dress female I see myself - I identify with the feminine image. When I dress in an outfit that "works" and gets compliments. When I dress male for work (drab) and I realize women can wear the same clothes, it feels better. I feel a oman is wearing these clothes. When I get called "mam," it feels "fit." When I image myself a woman and I feel whole, like I fit.


If you are exploring your own nature there is no such thing as "just a phase." Phases are important change periods of our lives, and should be taken seriously and respected. And if they keep going in the same direction over time they are more - they are our path.

Kendall
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JennaNicole

I thought maybe it was a phase at around 14, I had dressed for a over a year without anyone knowing it, but I saw my questions into the subject of transsexuality answered with "those people are mental" "weirdos that should be locked up" and the way the people I talked to about it spoke, made me think about why I was dressing, and that maybe it was just a phase. So I actually tried to be what I thought I was supposed to be for almost 2 years, never dressing up, working landscaping and pretty much destroying my body at that time. So thinking maybe it was a phase got me to overcompensate trying to be something I was not, and it was almost became to much. But how I knew it was not a phase was when I slowly went back, even if it was rough to start, it make me happier and I knew how I really want to be.
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RhinoP

Honestly, phases are educated plans and guesses on how you want your future to play out. Hormones are no scientific reason why someone cannot know a self-identity, as sexuality and gender identity are parts of the human mind that guides every person's life until the day you die. They are such sources of all human emotion that if you are thinking about sexuality and gender identity, you are more in tune and open with yourself than most people your age are. I've never been through phases myself, so I'm not actually sure how they feel, though.
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Arch

I have to be honest: It never occurred to me that being male-identified might have been a phase for me. It's just who I am and who I've always been.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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