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Why are there fewer women in heavy music?

Started by Bird, September 10, 2011, 04:16:05 PM

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Bird

I know I might be generalizing but to me it seens heavy music is fairly male dominated. Most heavy metal bands are composed of only men, and having a female member in one is so unusual it draws attention. Commonly, I see women in bands that have a more melodic style, such as Nightwish.  There are bands like Exile, Sceptic, there was also Cadaveria who left her band and went solo and the singer from Cripper, but none of them are the in the lead guitar, rarely on bass. Also, the metal bands who were responsible for the foundation of what is metal music, all had only male members. Black Sabbath, ACDC, Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Exodus, Rainbow, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Deep Purple, Venom, Kiss, everyone from late 70's and the 80's, the whole New Wave of British Heavy Metal, the trash bands from the US, had men everywhere.

There are women in the scene, but somehow their numbers seem very small. I see plenty of women playing piano, acoustic guitar and being amazing at it. I suppose heavy music is by nature aggressive, and perhaps women don't identify well with it for that reason. But even so, the bass and the eletric guitar instruments seen to be lacking in representatives among women, as none of the virtuosos I know from those instruments are women. Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Clapton, they are all guys.

I can't understand why this is so. The music scene seens to be fairly open regarding gender roles, at least to me, and nothing stops a girl from picking up a guitar and learning Vai's solos. Myself, I play the bass and the guitar, and I have always been the only female in the bands I have been in. even those who weren't playing heavy music, just common rock stuff.
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Ryno

Quote from: Laura91 on September 10, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Then you have the band Cretin whose vocalist/guitarist is a transwoman.

That's awesome.

I don't know if you've heard of Kitty, they're an all-female Canadian band (from my hometown) and they do world tours, but I guess they're not as hugely known as I used to think when I was crazy about them. They were also kind of dramatic. Kicking out bassist after drummer after lead vocalist. The best bassist was Talena Atfield. She was gorgeous.

There's also Otep, they're pretty awesome. And, on a less heavy metal note, there's Drain S.T.H, the Distillers... I can't think of any others though ... I guess I'm only proving your point rather than helping x)
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Bird

Well I wans't trying to prove a point really.

For me, rock music it's "subgenre" heavy metal in particular, are lacking women musicians. Period. From there, I was wondering why it is so. I'm a music addict and I'm aware of many awesome female musicians who compose rock music and I never meant to say they don't exist or that they aren't talented. They rule, but their numbers are few.

IMO the genre as a whole is still male dominated and in the past it was nearly male exclusive. The only metal band from the 80's that comes to my mind right of the bat that had a female in it is Warlock. I can't think of a single lead guitar virtuoso in the style of Vai or Satriani that is a woman. It also seens that commonly, when a woman is in a rock or metal band, she is the vocalist.

I don't know why this is so and since I love rock and I also love heavy metal, it bugs me.
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LivingInGrey

Well, there was Amy Lee of Evanescence but she only lasted a little while due to contracting and stuff.

She was classically trained as a child and moved into more of an 'emo' style 'power balled' rock style.

(ROCK) ---> ME <--- (HARD PLACE)
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Ann Onymous

There are lots of women in rock venues that you may never haev heard of...it just takes time for them to rise to prominence because of JUST how male-oriented the metal scene was for so many years, even when you broaden the scope to include the classic heavy metal groups. 

Remember that it was not all that many years ago that women were being told that rock and roll music was not for them to play, which is why some of the groups get dismissed so quickly, even in this video age that has killed the true radio star.  In years past, I would easily go see Joan Jett and I got to hang with Lita Ford for a while.  Now it is mostly some local acts that tour at the regional level, occasionally going out to the national level.  At some point, some of them gain national acclaim (ie. Patrice Pike) for their varied accomplishments with bands and are now recognized in their own right. 

I know we have seen some other heavy acts at ACL and SXSW during the various events in Austin. 



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Bird

So Ann you think it is because of social pressure basically? As in, people think it is weird for women to play lead guitar and it should be a man thing? I see the same thing happening with surgeons, as folks say it is a male thing, and as result, in the hospital I work at there is not a single female surgeon.

You know, I have felt that in the minor bands I have been in, but since I never planned a pro career (yet! Await and see) I never faced or saw any issues.
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Ann Onymous

Quote from: Bird on September 12, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
So Ann you think it is because of social pressure basically? As in, people think it is weird for women to play lead guitar and it should be a man thing? I see the same thing happening with surgeons, as folks say it is a male thing, and as result, in the hospital I work at there is not a single female surgeon.

You know, I have felt that in the minor bands I have been in, but since I never planned a pro career (yet! Await and see) I never faced or saw any issues.

I certainly agree with the contention that it has only been recently that the doors really began to open for some of the women.  I have some friends that have been together for close to a decade, and I know Dana was in another band before that (she plays lead and does a mean Barracuda).  And I know Patrice had formed Sister 7 (actually under a different name) in the late 80's or early 90's.  But the kids I have been watching of late are barely in their mid-20's, which means they probably started playing 10-15 years ago.   

It takes time for the kids to break through the ceiling and get to the main stage...there is definitely a shift, but it won't be (and has not been) overnight.

Another potential issue as it relates to women fronting the band is that oftentimes, they have a very lesbian-oriented following, and that is something that I feely may scare some parents away from encouraging the pursuit of their daughter's musical interests, whether guitar or drums (again, I know a lot of really talented female drummers, many of whom the masses have probably never heard of).   
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Bird

Your last observation is true too IMO. The two major female rock musicians here in Brazil are both lesbians and -very- openly so.

Again, rock music was never know for brewing people mommy and daddy wanted their kids to look up to right. :D. I hope I will be able to have a band one day, after I transition and am done with university. Nothing big, just some local tours and I will be incredibly happy.
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Ann Onymous

Quote from: Bird on September 12, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
Your last observation is true too IMO. The two major female rock musicians here in Brazil are both lesbians and -very- openly so.

what can I say...I know my peeps  :laugh:

And yeah, I had my fun with a few of the ones I have already named...
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JungianZoe

I don't have any philosophical answers to the question at hand, but my personal fav has always been Katie Jane Garside of Daisy Chainsaw and Queenadreena. ;)  Extraordinarily underrated!

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Bird

That is so cool Zoe!

Let me share one of my favs too

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Bird

I think I did something wrong there, well... the link works  ::)
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tekla

Most heavy metal bands are composed of only men

Not nearly as much as the fan base is.  It's a long standing joke that the shortest line for a female bathroom anywhere in the world is at a Rush concert, and when we do Dream Theater next week I'm sure it will be the same -  80% men, 19% women humoring their BFs, 1% women who actually care about Dream Theater.
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aiwass

Quote from: Laura91 on September 10, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
There are more women in heavier bands than there use to be. A lot of them are in "smaller" bands (compared to most bands in the industry) but they are out there. There have been bands like Nuclear Death that had a female vocalist/bassist and there was 13 from NYC and 3 out of the 4 band members were women. Then you have the band Cretin whose vocalist/guitarist is a transwoman.

wow  13 i haven't thought about them in years
and marissa martinez of cretin just joined the old school grind core band repulsion (not to be confused with the original name for type o negative(rip pete)
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aiwass

#15
she is listed in the current line up on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repulsion_%28band%29

yea im from NYC
as far as 13 i usta hang out with Danny (from exit 13 /brutal truth/nuclear assault/sod/anthrax)
and i think he played with 13 for some live gigs here and there
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aiwass

  i thought of a few more

paradise lost (female vocals)
bolt thrower (bass player)
my dying bride  (various members violin/keys/bass)
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King Malachite

I'm not so sure but have you heard of Arch Enemy?  A woman is the lead singer and her growls are amazing.
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Gretchen

Did Arch Enemy start out in the 80s 90s?

I think Metal is very violent and most woman are not intrigued with that kind of violent expression. It takes a very special woman who likes to bang her head. When you have a bunch of large angry young men your standard woman might find that threatening, on the stage or in the pit.
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King Malachite

Quote from: Gretchen on February 22, 2012, 10:49:30 AM
Did Arch Enemy start out in the 80s 90s?

I think Metal is very violent and most woman are not intrigued with that kind of violent expression. It takes a very special woman who likes to bang her head. When you have a bunch of large angry young men your standard woman might find that threatening, on the stage or in the pit.

Arch Enemy formed in 1996.
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