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Holy crap. Cut it with the sexism already, people

Started by Wolfsnake, August 28, 2011, 05:45:30 PM

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JulieC.

I sure I've been guilty of it...sexism.  I don't like being a man and I'm probably overly critical of them.  I do lump the gender into a group.  I do hold females in general in a much higher regard than males in general.  I do know there are terribly nasty women and really good men.  I will try to keep that in mind in the future.



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AbraCadabra

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Wow!
REALLY? Maybe I'm also badly humour challenged, but I am stunned to read so much steamed up posting about sexism at Susan's!?!

We have moderate moderators and I for one am just fine with that.

What I am hearing seems a stronger drive to more detailed censorship --- and I do not like it. Not a bit.

People have emotions and some times just need to 'spit it out'. If it's too much, our moderators have done a good job this far, in my humble opinion. I have been moderated and it just fine by me.

Let me say thank you to them.

I'm so not, on this hyper sensitive page. Often folks, include me, would say something and are simply not aware of SOME sensitive soul out there with his/her or own agenda.
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mimpi

Meh... Was on this forum a few years ago and have to say I'm pleasantly surprised about how it has changed for the better in regards to sexism and arguments about transitioning/non transitioning and trans/not trans but end gender, binary extremism and so on.

If sexism exists it's inexcusable and sorry to say this but IMO doubly inexcusable in the case of people who have transitioned. We feel or have felt the pain of prejudice so it would be beyond despicable to be guilty of it ourselves. I admit I'm not much attracted to men and they have given me a horrible time in life but they're not all b*stards despite this. People are people at the the end of the day, men, women or whatever we all have our faults. Live and live and be there for each other is all we can aspire to do.

So happy this forum has moved on, felt really isolated politically and gender wise here in the old days.
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Torn1990

I would not encourage mods to censor sexism, I just think we should all be aware of sexism and continue to have dialogues about it.
queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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RhinoP

Honestly, there are real stereotypes in the world, and statistics to back them up. That doesn't mean discrimination or rude behavior should take place, but if someone wants to tell a joke or make a generalization in sake of conversation, this is a free country. However, I surprise myself so often at how multi-layered I see men and women as being. I've never seen men as all brawny and brass, and I've never seen women as all cute and petite, though the most comedic and unreal stereotypes truly do exist in both sexes, by a large amount. Really though, there's so many sub-genres of people, it's exactly like music, film, or art. And every one of those people deserves to be free from standard; no one person has to do something someone else does unless it is the simple act of following the law, which includes defamation laws, harassment laws, and discrimination laws.

I believe I'm very good at not being discriminatory though, unless it comes to supernatural beliefs, which aren't protected by law in a court, criminal, and legal system, as opposed to science, evidence, and fact, which is. I will bash religious beliefs in a heartbeat, because, after years upon years of research and just meeting thousands upon thousands of people, I myself haven't found one religious person who doesn't use a bias toward others, somewhere down the line, to feel more powerful about themselves. There's lots of science fanatics who do the same thing and would cling to the DSM and cling to every discriminatory line in it, but at the same time, real science fanatics track down the studies that contradict what is obviously discriminatory and not well studied. A truly non-discriminatory person is one who tries to justify every single person's needs and wants out there, the needs of every person who deserves equal rights because they follow the law.

For instance, I don't have government assistance for my transition, both hormonally, physically, and mentally, because there are documents that discriminate against my needs (or elsewise the process of getting on government assistance is complex to the point of complete lunacy), and I find it shocking just how many people on this forum want to keep it that way.
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8888

Stereotyping isn't xyz-ism. It's merely observing characteristics regarding behaviour in certain human sub-categories and realising a trend. The sad fact is humans are easy to stereotype. We shouldn't be, because we're suppose to have our own brains and act upon our own rational thinking as opposed to instincts like animals. But it's really not always the case. I see women, men, punks, metalheads, whatever you feel like naming with remarkably similar trends in behaviour. Do I think I'm wrong for noting these? Hell no, in fact, I feel proud for noticing them - it means I'm not an amnesiac and can draw links between objects.

The problem lies in the group being sterotyped. Don't like being stereotyped? Don't act the part. I love it when a woman knows how to fix a car, or a man knows how to cook. But deviations like these can be rare. Feminists are always putting the blame on the wrong thing - why is there a lack of women in the trade? Feminist answer: because it's harder for them to get employed. Logical answer: Because they simply aren't interested. Trade employers get government grants, incentives to employ female apprentices, yet there are still so few. You would have to resort to some serious brainwashing to force a certain group to act how you want. Why do people act a stereotype? Partly genetics, partly upbringing. But no one has a right to tell others how to bring up their kids and even that can't guarentee success in them being harder to stereotype, so the best you can do is accept these trends exist and move on; don't shoot the messenger who's only crime was to have eyes, ears and a brain.
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tekla

rational thinking as opposed to instincts like animals.... with remarkably similar trends in behaviour.  If your working your way though a problem in accordance with the principles of logic or reason you should get the same answer everybody else does.  Rational thinking should produce the same results in most people.
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