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My binding regime... Need input

Started by Wolf, October 11, 2011, 02:44:35 PM

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Wolf

I have an under works double front compression 997, small. I am a 32" D.  I have to step into it and heave it up over my butt and waist which takes substantial effort; I also think my hips are wonky or something because it always begins to roll up on one side, which means I generally have to double it up so it comes up to just below my moobs so it's without kinks. I alternate between tucking it into my trousers and having it in the rolled up position so my stomach is 'set free' - especially for eating and such. It gets me flat enough to forget I have moobs. I never touch my t-kingdom one because it binds terribly, and hurts 100% more than this one. I barely notice it if it wasn't for the rolling up situation, which hurts my hips the most more than anything else.

Now, I wear it pretty much 24/7 every day of the week and only take it off to shower. I live with friends/ girlfriend and we spend a lot of time close together, she keeps telling me to take it off and wear something less restrictive because she doesn't give a sh*t and sees me as a guy either way. But I just don't *want* to. I loathe catching myself in the mirror with bumps there and wouldn't feel comfortable being anywhere near anyone without my binder on. It's not about trust or anything with her, she's sneezed on me and I've wiped it off as if it was my own sneeze, I consider to be an extension of myself. So it still makes sense that I'd be uncomfortable with them *loose* around her because I'm uncomfortable with them loose around *me* if you get where I'm coming from.

I am getting mild back pain but I deal with it and it's not so bad. If I am on my feet for long or out for a long time, as I go to college, I have a bag to carry that tips it to moderate pain sometimes. But I don't care about that so much, and I can also deal with having the lung capacity of a chain smoker - whilst embarrassing, less so than having chest lumps visible. My question is: am I doing hidden damage to myself, binding this much? I've been doing this for about 2 months so far, maybe longer, and I am having far less intense back / lung pain than when I used to wear my T kingdom binder for a max of 12 hours previous to getting the under works one. The relief when I took that damned thing off was always immense, but when I take this off there isn't much difference though I do savour the ability to BREATHE.
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Luc

I've never worn my binder more than was absolutely necessary--- typically 8-12 hours each day. I wouldn't be caught dead sleeping in it, considering the pain it causes. I'm big on comfort, though; I hate to be uncomfortable, so any time I know I'll be alone for an extended period of time, I take off the binder.

That said, I've always bound like that, and it took only 2 years for me to develop bursitis (swelling of the fluid-filled bursa sack inside the shoulder joint) due to binding. I use the Underworks Cotton Concealer Compression binders, which are far more comfortable than any others I've found and don't seem to restrict my breathing much if at all, and I still got bursitis. I've tried on the Double Front binders, and I can't imagine how much worse off I'd be if I were wearing one of those on a daily basis.

So, if you haven't yet gotten the gist of my argument, STOP BINDING 24/7. You will potentially destroy your back, shoulders, ribs, and anything else touched by the binder. My bursitis/shoulder damage, now at 5 years binding, has caused me to have no strength in my left arm; the muscle is there and quite healthy, but I have no ability to support weight with that shoulder. Scary? Don't let it happen to you.
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insideontheoutside

I would definitely say anything that's causing you consistent pain IS likely to cause damage the more it goes on. Dysphoria or not, you can't back peddle once certain damage is done (note Luc's response!). I certainly wouldn't wear it to sleep and if you're gf is cool with your body no matter what that's a huge bonus. If you don't like looking at your chest, wear baggy shirts around the house or something.
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anibioman

i do the same thing as you, bind 24/7. i found that improving my posture helps so much with the back pain.

CaptainFantastic

I've checked out the underworks stuff and related 'pro' equipment, but found them all not
very comfy, making me aware of the effort it takes to ignore 'them', thus constantly reminding
me of them. Just recently I came across an incredibly simple solution, and even cheaper than
anything on the market: underpants! The sort that flattens the tummy and lifts the bum. They're
really good quality, very breathable, and you hardly notice them when you're wearing them, as
if you had a naturally flat - e g male - chest! I've always hated bras, and even sports bras enhance
your breasts, so that wasn't a solution either. On the other hand, i didn't want to do damage to
my body as it is now (and if it hurts, damage is just the next step imo).
So what I did was the following: 1) bought a pair of granny's shape shifting pants (they go under various
titles;)) the cheapest over here in Europe are around 4 EUR!!!!! They can go higher if you like, but
why? I've only started trying out several brands and materials, so I start with the cheap ones.
2)  cut off the legs (they have short legs but not like normal panties, so you've got to cutt off a couple
of inches to make your arms fit through comfortably without irritating the armpits)
3) cut off the middle section (often covered with an additional layer of sanitzing material/fabric or whatever,
anyway, cut that part out and then go down the seam (there usually is a double seam running down the
middle) on either side of it, don't cut the seam itself;I did that at my first attempt and later that day
experienced an embarrassing ripping apart of the entire thing, thank God I was the only one who noticed
and I was wearing a wide shirt;) So you get some sort of tank top shape. Do the same to the back if
you don't want the tthing to be visible unless you're wearing shirt&tie or turtle necks.
I used the bum side of the pants on the front, they have a more flattening effect. All in all, really amazing
result for hardly any money at all. SIze wise, i chose the size I would have if I'd wear the pânts as is.
Funnt though I'm definitely pre-T, the woman at the check-ou gave me a rather strange look...mhhh, why
could that be? >:-)
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Monster

I use underworks double compression, and then I pull it up over my chest again because it wud hurt my hips too. But it also compressed my bust even better.. Maybe try that to help ur hips.. As for sleeping with it on, I think that's is just insane! Why torture Urself even more! I wear mine from when I wake up till night take it off before shower and it remains off.. Defiantly need to not sleep in it!! How any of u guys do that!?
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Wolf

Actually, Luc, now you've said that I'm a bit worried about my shoulders. What is the pain like? I just thought this was normal, I have bendy joints and I just didn't seem a concern. But they feel like they always need to be 'cracked' and stretched... They feel really fluidy.

I don't notice it at all really, at night, the thing is that I sleep in the same bed as someone and that's what's stopping me from not binding. But if this shoulder pain is related to binding, that is pretty worrying :/
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wheat thins are delicious

Quote from: DevinJV on October 11, 2011, 02:44:35 PM

Now, I wear it pretty much 24/7 every day of the week and only take it off to shower. I live with friends/ girlfriend and we spend a lot of time close together, she keeps telling me to take it off and wear something less restrictive because she doesn't give a sh*t and sees me as a guy either way. But I just don't *want* to. I loathe catching myself in the mirror with bumps there and wouldn't feel comfortable being anywhere near anyone without my binder on. It's not about trust or anything with her, she's sneezed on me and I've wiped it off as if it was my own sneeze, I consider to be an extension of myself. So it still makes sense that I'd be uncomfortable with them *loose* around her because I'm uncomfortable with them loose around *me* if you get where I'm coming from.

I am getting mild back pain but I deal with it and it's not so bad. If I am on my feet for long or out for a long time, as I go to college, I have a bag to carry that tips it to moderate pain sometimes. But I don't care about that so much, and I can also deal with having the lung capacity of a chain smoker - whilst embarrassing, less so than having chest lumps visible. My question is: am I doing hidden damage to myself, binding this much? I've been doing this for about 2 months so far, maybe longer, and I am having far less intense back / lung pain than when I used to wear my T kingdom binder for a max of 12 hours previous to getting the under works one. The relief when I took that damned thing off was always immense, but when I take this off there isn't much difference though I do savour the ability to BREATHE.

Be a grownup and do the healthy thing, stay unbound for longer than a 15 minute shower.  Get a sports bra and wear it around your house, friends, etc.  Don't look in mirrors or if you do train yourself to look from the neck up.  Wear a loose T so that nothing is too visible (harder with a large chest I know but still doable) 

You are really gonna regret not taking better care of body when you are able to have top surgery but still have tons of ailments from poor binding methods/habits.


Quote from: DevinJV on October 12, 2011, 03:43:37 PM
the thing is that I sleep in the same bed as someone and that's what's stopping me from not binding. But if this shoulder pain is related to binding, that is pretty worrying :/

It most likely is.  If I've bound longer than normal, say over 12 hours I usually start to get achy in my shoulders/sides/back as if I've pulled a muscle. 

She's your girlfriend, she knows you have breasts.  again wear a snug (not tight, just snugger than normal) sports bra and big shirt.  pull a part of covers over your chest.  I am fine with my mother, father, brother, sister seeing me not bound but I don't like the idea of them seeing my crotch area even if I'm wearing shorts, so if I'm laying around them I put a pillow or something over that area.  Same concept.


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dmx

By "24/7" I hope you don't mean sleeping in it.... I had to do that ONCE in a jail cell and it hurt like hell....    :(

I would say you're probably doing damage to yourself. Binding long-term can actually deform your ribs so when you do get chest surgery it'll look kinda weird. Not saying this is what you're doing, but it's possible. I heard this from someone on YouTube but can't recall who.

You could also get pleurisy from it... I did.

You gotta weigh the risks against the benefits though. I understand the desire to wear it all the time.
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Hulud

This will in fact cause your ribs to become misshapen. Not only will this look strange if you plan on getting top surgery, but it will cause breathing problems. If you've only been binding for 2 months it should be reversible at this point. Not wearing it at night should be enough time to allow your ribs to maintain their natural shape.

I am not FTM, but I have friends who do waist training (wearing a corset 14 hours or more per day so that their bodies obtain the hourglass shape), which has a similar physiological affect. Women who waist train try to sleep in their corsets if they can stand it.

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Wolf

Oh god. All right, I can't ignore this... I'll try to find a way to stop this. It's easy to forget what I'm doing... But the idea of my ribs getting deformed, really does seem like a possibility since they don't get a chance to expand. Thanks for the wake up call guys
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