Now if we talk bottom surgery

[Annah]

Obviously people without srs seems to know all about it.
It's like teaching someone how to swim without being into the water yourself.

There are those people who do not need to experience SRS to know they are the gender they identify with. That was in no way an attack on pre non or post or anything else in the spectrum. It's just that there are those who do not need the experience of SRS to feel the way they feel.

One can be a marine micro biologist without being a deep sea diver.

[Mahsa Tezani]

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Hahaha, a penis without the corpus cavernosum.
At least I can go into the womens locker room with my hahaha penis.

You have made my day with your facts honey.
Keep on studying, you will get there. lol\

Oh another later transitioner, right? You know everything don't cha...well here's a diagram for you.

[The Passage]

I'm detecting hints of bitter resentment here towards the surgery in general, though. It's fine if you don't want it but it's not particularly nice to put down others for wanting it or having it. It's not a bad thing, you know, to get the surgery.

I don't know, just an observation.

[Mahsa Tezani]

I'm detecting hints of bitter resentment here towards the surgery in general, though. It's fine if you don't want it but it's not particularly nice to put down others for wanting it or having it. It's not a bad thing, you know, to get the surgery.

I don't know, just an observation.

I don't care what people do. But I am no less of a female because I love my penis.

[annette]

There are those people who do not need to experience SRS to know they are the gender they identify with. That was in no way an attack on pre non or post or anything else in the spectrum. It's just that there are those who do not need the experience of SRS to feel the way they feel.

One can be a marine micro biologist without being a deep sea diver.

Well Annah, those people do have my respect, everyone must live the life he or she wanted to live, no question about that.
Pretending to know all about srs without ever having srs is just another thing, it sounds a bit ridiculous in my ears.
BTW no one is a deep sea diver by reading the books, that will be a case of drowning

[Mahsa Tezani]

Well Annah, those people do have my respect, everyone must live the life he or she wanted to live, no question about that.
Pretending to know all about srs without ever having srs is just another thing, it sounds a bit ridiculous in my ears.
BTW no one is a deep sea diver by reading the books, that will be a case of drowning

Typical late transitioner comments.

Are you an SRS surgeon? Nope. Well then...

I can look up info on srs on the net...and get all the facts I need. I got the facts and am keeping my penis. Call me a man or whatever... I don't care.

[Annah]

i think we all need to be a little more "delicate" because arguments can arise with SRS> NON or NON>SRS if we are not careful (as they have been for the last week and a half); either of those arguments speaks against the equality and cohesion among all trans people.

SRS is a miracle of transition. Non ops are a miracle of transition. Pre Ops are a miracle of transition. The entire transgender umbrella is a miracle unto itself in this day in age.

I think we should focus on the blessings that has come our way to see society slowly, but surely, becoming more use to the idea of Gender Expression.

[The Passage]

I don't care what people do. But I am no less of a female because I love my penis.

Okay, so why is it such a big deal? What is the purpose of the argument? If you need to make a statement about where you are and how content you are, over and over again, then perhaps you're really trying to say that this is where you *think* you are but that you're unsure about some things.

[Morrigan]

If you browse the forums a bit, you'll find the cause of this.  There are a select few
individuals which happen to be post-op, that continue to state that they are
the epitome of womanhood, while the non-ops will never reach that status, as
women have vaginas.

Meanwhile, the non-ops insist than women can have penises, because its
not the genitals that define gender.

The resentment is for people who demand that the surgery is necessary for
complete transition, not for the operation itself.

For the record, I plan to get SRS when I am at that point and can afford it.

[Steph]

A vaginoplasty is still technically a penis as srs uses the penis to create a vagina.

I didn't pull that fact out of my butt.

I don't care what you pull out of your butt, as I find the vision of that, and the other parts of your post quite offensive.

While it is true that male genitals are used to create the vagina, only certain parts are used, not the entire male apparatus.

Have you had SRS, have you experienced having a vagina, have experienced a man inserting his cock into your vagina, have you experienced a man ejaculating into your vagina?  Oh wait a second you don't have one do you, why is that?

I can assure you that my OBGYN, my MD, and they assure me that I do have a vagina and attests to this in the medical reports she produces.  Oh and for the record my husband definitely know that I have a vagina.

Please do not insult the women here who have endured the agony of GID, and ecstasy of GRS/SRS. 

Just because you may love your penis doesn't give the right to belittle and insult those who were diagnosed with GID and have been cured with the recommended and appropriate medical treatment.

[Annah]

If you browse the forums a bit, you'll find the cause of this.  There are a select few
individuals which happen to be post-op, that continue to state that they are
the epitome of womanhood, while the non-ops will never reach that status, as
women have vaginas.

Meanwhile, the non-ops insist than women can have penises, because its
not the genitals that define gender.

The resentment is for people who demand that the surgery is necessary for
complete transition, not for the operation itself.

For the record, I plan to get SRS when I am at that point and can afford it.

^ +1

Hopefully the forums will settle down to a gentle roar now with those few people now gone.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Just because you may love your penis doesn't give the right to belittle and insult those who were diagnosed with GID and have been cured with the recommended and appropriate medical treatment.

Hey I wasn't even saying that.

[Wonder woman]

Maybe I should keep my comments/opinions to myself?

[annette]

Masha dear, you didn't follow my advice about the deep breath and relax a little.

You are making things up, I never called you a man, apparently you call yourself a man, these are again your words not mine.

You're right, I am not an srs surgeon, I work on the OR occasionally but after 27 years of being post op I do have experiences about the possibilities with srs.

These possibilities are great, I don't take this out of my butt either, I don't need my butt for that. lol

I will stop my interfearing in this discussion, you won't listen, so be a female and love your penis, I don't care

[Annah]

Maybe I should keep my comments/opinions to myself?

welcome back (x5 now I think)

[Wonder woman]

@Annette

So your surgery was successful in bringing you happiness?  I think you have every right to feel the way u do

[Annah]

@Annette

So your surgery was successful in bringing you happiness?  I think you have every right to feel the way u do

why do you keep coming back after ban after ban? I mean, if I was banned I would use that time to self reflect on the issues that I did that caused that to happened. I guess I am trying to figure why you keep on making alts.

[Wonder woman]

@steph good points
@mahsa I'm a little confused
@annah who u referring 2?

[Annah]

@steph good points
@mahsa I'm a little confused
@annah who u referring 2?

I'm referring to you.

Zombie Queen = Symbolizes someone coming back from the Dead (i.e., a Ban)

Aphrodite = for whatever purposes

Rock Star = taken from Padma's comment about how she liked the Rock Star from one of her comic characters. She made several public announcements about your previous alts being banned. So now you are using things in her posts.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,107652.msg821320.html#msg821320

Wonder Woman = From the same thread where "Rock Star" came from.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,107652.0.html reply #2

I've been a moderator for 7 years at a prior site. Long enough to follow the traits of someone who has been banned but does not accept it.

[Mahsa Tezani]

@mahsa I'm a little confused

Oh well. Don't talk to me.