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What Makes You A Woman?

Started by Julie Marie, March 03, 2007, 09:37:55 AM

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Julie Marie

Is it that you dress like a woman?  Is it that you act like a woman?  Is it your anatomy (if you're post-op)?  Or is it simply that you feel like a woman?

It's been said many times here, "I am a woman" but what is it that makes you feel that way? 

The next question is: How do you know what it feels like to be a woman?

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Lucy

OMG

This is the question that we all hate being asked. Thank you...

I dont dress, Like a female and I dont look like a female. So it must be my mind..
I have the way I look in this body it feels wrong, Im very emotional, Cry at every thing. My mannorisums my mind. I cant explain it. I just know that I am. I all ways did. I get jellous when out shopping for dresses, Im envious of new mothers and. ow the list it just goes on.....

I hate it when people ask me that..
Cheers Julie

LUV LUCY

In my head I am female but I have a male body. So I know what it is to think like a woman just not feel like one. ;D
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Tak

My sister asked me that after I came out to her.

I turned around and asked her the same thing.

What is it that makes us who we are? My heart tells me I am a woman, so I'm a woman. Everything that allows me to portray myself as I am - those are details. Everyone has those details to think about, to define themselves by, and it isn't the clothes or the hair or the body or the genitals that define anyone. It's our thoughts, our actions, our hearts and minds!

Nobody wants to be forced to be something they aren't. If everyone expected (or even tried to force) me to behave as a dog does it mean I should? No, and even if I did it wouldn't mean that I was a dog if I weren't in my mind (which brings to mind a movie about a woman who started to think she was a dog, then began acting and living like one all the time - eventually her husband accepted her as such just to make her happy).

Besides... -points at her sig-
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Hazumu

Part of my epiphany happened because I finally SAW that I related to the world in the way that the average female relates to the world.  I intuitively followed female rules for communicating with and relating to others, much to the consternation of both men and women who I interacted with.

Often I would hear the advice, "Just shut up about it, it ain't important!" (but it still was, to me.)  Or, "Geez, you're still worrying about that?  I thought we put that behind us a long time ago!" (like, yesterday was when I was told 'not to worry' about it.)

I also realized that with all of my women-friends, the relationship was girlfriend-girlfriend, even though on the outside they saw (and I (wrongly) thought,) 'guy.'

Quote from: Simone de BeauvoirOne is not born, but becomes a woman. No biological, psychological, or economic fate determines the figure that the human female presents in society: it is civilization as a whole that produces this creature, intermediate between, male and eunuch, which is described as feminine.

Quite a bit more than we've heard, eh? Nevermind the remark about eunuch, I feel she was just using it to make a point.

Here's more background on that statement and the woman who authored it.  While you're reading it, try mentally replacing woman/female, etc., with transsexual terms and see if it still makes sense.

Quote from: Wikipedia article on Simone de BeauvoirBeauvoir's The Second Sex, published in French in 1949, sets out a feminist existentialism which prescribes a moral revolution. As an existentialist, Beauvoir accepts the precept that existence precedes essence; hence one is not born a woman, but becomes one. Her analysis focuses on the concept of The Other. It is the (social) construction of Woman as the quintessential Other that Beauvoir identifies as fundamental to women's oppression.

Beauvoir argues that women have historically been considered deviant, abnormal. She submits that even Mary Wollstonecraft considered men to be the ideal toward which women should aspire. Beauvoir says that this attitude has limited women's success by maintaining the perception that they are a deviation from the normal, and are outsiders attempting to emulate "normality". For feminism to move forward, this assumption must be set aside.

Beauvoir asserted that women are as capable of choice as men, and thus can choose to elevate themselves, moving beyond the 'immanence' to which they were previously resigned and reaching 'transcendence', a position in which one takes responsibility for oneself and the world, where one chooses one's freedom.

Well, I still don't have an answer as to what makes me a woman (sorry, Julie.)  I just know I'm behaving in a manner that's much more natural for me, nevermind that going through a male puberty left my body with male stigmata.  Am I a 'woman'?  As much as my behavior more closely matches that of the average genetic female than the average genetic male, nevermind the vessel in which my female spirit happens to be contained.

...now I'M confused

Karen
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Buffy

Because I live, work, play and love as one.

The way I feel, act, communicate and the mannerisms I portray.

The fact that my friends, colleagues and strangers perceive me as such.

The fact that I no longer have to act macho, stab people in the back and trample over peoples feelings to get things done to further my career.

I can cry when I want, empathise when I want, be silly when I want, kiss who I want and hug when I want

I can go into a rest room, have a multitude of conversations and not just pee, look at a wall and dare to turn my head...

I can dress how I want within reason, wear collourful clothes, shoes, change my hair colour to match my mood.

All this is me (and much more).... but not only am I very happy, I am proud to be  a woman.

Buffy :icon_chick:

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Debbie_Anne

Questions like that make my head hurt...

How do I know I'm a woman?  I just do, I can't quite describe how.  The same way I know I'm not a man.  It is a feeling, subconscious and almost instinctual, that I can't access intellectually (believe me, I've tried!).  It both defies logic and makes perfect sense at the same time. 

How do I know what it feels like to be a woman?  I can't answer that anymore than I could answer "How do you know what it feels like to be a man?"  I don't know what it feels like compared to how other people feel, I only know how I feel.  And I can't really describe that, either.  This is something that doesn't lend itself to intelectual analysis.  You either feel it or you don't.  (This answer pobably doesn't help at all.)
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Tak

Quote from: Debbie_Anne on March 03, 2007, 11:48:56 AM
Questions like that make my head hurt...

How do I know I'm a woman?  I just do, I can't quite describe how.  The same way I know I'm not a man.  It is a feeling, subconscious and almost instinctual, that I can't access intellectually (believe me, I've tried!).  It both defies logic and makes perfect sense at the same time. 

How do I know what it feels like to be a woman?  I can't answer that anymore than I could answer "How do you know what it feels like to be a man?"  I don't know what it feels like compared to how other people feel, I only know how I feel.  And I can't really describe that, either.  This is something that doesn't lend itself to intelectual analysis.  You either feel it or you don't.  (This answer pobably doesn't help at all.)

Doesn't help at all? Makes perfect sense to me. :D
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Julie Marie

Okay, I've asked myself this many times and usually I'd reply, "I'm not a woman" because I was thinking of genetics and chromosomes.  I was also thinking of growing up, from a little girl into a woman and all the experiences that go with it.  Of course I'm not a woman. at least not by that definition.

But I've been interacting a lot with women lately and I find I can relate to them, I understand them without them having to explain.  I'm one of them.  And that feeling comes from the heart.

What makes me a woman?  Not having the need to ask, or answer, that question.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Debbie_Anne

Quote from: Julie Marie on March 03, 2007, 12:39:27 PM
What makes me a woman?  Not having the need to ask, or answer, that question.

That's the best answer so far, in my opinion.  :)
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Kim

Hmm,
    Since I am IS and have more female than male organs I may have an advantage.  While living as a man, or trying to, I never felt "manly" and was always looking for ways to appear and hopefully feel manly,even after marriage. Of course I never suceeded. Even saying I am man felt weird and gave me reservation type of feelings.
    Saying I am woman feels like a natural statement and when I say it I feel normal saying it. Yes I wear skirts and dresses. This is not so much for self comfort or a world declaration, it's just I am the type of woman who would rather dress as such rather than slacks. Also, I feel prettier and I also want to look pretty for my wife.
    That all being said I'd say what makes me a woman is God and nature. It's not like it's a choice I made. I just know this is who I am and I will be for the rest of my life.
                               Kim   :angel:
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Kate

Quote from: Karen on March 03, 2007, 10:34:48 AM
Part of my epiphany happened because I finally SAW that I related to the world in the way that the average female relates to the world.  I intuitively followed female rules for communicating with and relating to others, much to the consternation of both men and women who I interacted with.

Me too, once I grew up that is.

What I wonder about though is... how did I know this at FOUR? It just makes no sense to me, as I really hadn't encountered or socialized with girls all that much yet. A few of my neighbors were girls though, and I saw girls on TV of course... and felt incredibly jealous of them. And yet, I couldn't tell you what I was jealous OF. As kids, we weren't all that different physically. And I don't remember noticing clothing at all. It was something about how they were treated, looked at, thought of, interacted with... it was their LIFE as much as anything... does that makes any sense?

All of which confuses me, as it seems crazy I (we) could know something so early, with so little time or social experiences to reveal it.

Kate
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Omika

Quote from: Kate on March 03, 2007, 05:09:21 PM
Me too, once I grew up that is.

What I wonder about though is... how did I know this at FOUR? It just makes no sense to me, as I really hadn't encountered or socialized with girls all that much yet. A few of my neighbors were girls though, and I saw girls on TV of course... and felt incredibly jealous of them. And yet, I couldn't tell you what I was jealous OF. As kids, we weren't all that different physically. And I don't remember noticing clothing at all. It was something about how they were treated, looked at, thought of, interacted with... it was their LIFE as much as anything... does that makes any sense?

All of which confuses me, as it seems crazy I (we) could know something so early, with so little time or social experiences to reveal it.

Kate

No, it was the same for me.  It's impossible to explain fully, really.  It's just the way we are.

I'm a woman because I'm a woman.  Period.

~ Blair
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Stormy Weather

Quote from: Blair on March 03, 2007, 05:27:04 PM
Period.

That's one thing I'm secretly glad I don't have to put up with.  ;)
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Omika

Quote from: Stormy Weather on March 03, 2007, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Blair on March 03, 2007, 05:27:04 PM
Period.

That's one thing I'm secretly glad I don't have to put up with.  ;)

I'd take monthly cycles over being born the wrong gender any day, personally.  Though I suppose it's more of an embarassing hassle than I know.  I do wish I could bear children, though.  Thinking about that makes me very sad.

~ Blair
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Dryad

Well..
I'm physically mostly male, and I have periods. (Just the hormones going haywire; not the leaking.)
So periods don't make you female, I suppose.
Do they?
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Elizabeth

Hey Julie,

Quote from: Julie Marie on March 03, 2007, 09:37:55 AM
Is it that you dress like a woman?  Is it that you act like a woman?  Is it your anatomy (if you're post-op)?  Or is it simply that you feel like a woman?

It's been said many times here, "I am a woman" but what is it that makes you feel that way? 

The next question is: How do you know what it feels like to be a woman?

Julie


I really don't know how I know. I figure it was a process of elimination. It was more that I figured out I was not like a boy. Eventually I noticed I was more like a girl. Eventually I read about others like me and it confirmed it. One could be born one gender but feel like the other.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Ricki

Clearly ..........the way i feel all the time!
Ricki
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katia

what?  it's only us, gender-dysphoric individuals who make these kind of questions?  you don't see gg's asking why they are or what makes them women...but ok...i'll answer.
well, looking back i thought i was a woman all my life. But i really felt like i [became] a woman, in the sense i think you're talking about, in my early twenties. there is a change in the way [you feel about yourself]. it's like, yeah, this is who I am. i'm powerful, beautiful, and i control my life. i realized after this fact that i hadn't really been a woman till then. you just know it when it [hits you].
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taru

This is a very important question to me, and has many implications. And some cis-people do discuss this if they are interested in gender issues.

Personally I am a woman.

I fought with this one quite long as I didn't believe in any magic knowledge involved. Then I looked how I self-identify with other things - and they all have this "I am like this and it matches most closely to that label as defined by society and language" - so I don't *know* magically any other form of self-identification either. By using the method I can safely say I am a woman, although I currently lack a female body, but things are getting better with hormones (and later SRS).

What if the cultural aspects of gender were flipped around? E.g. males would have a "womanly" role and females a "man's" role? How tied are we to the culture and what would we do in a culture with the roles reversed?
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Shana A

it's simple, you just _know_ who you are. If you try to deny it, it keeps reminding you.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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