Could Eve have been transgender or intersex?

[Sailor_Saturn]

Annah is corrent of course, but I think what you're asking is why the difference between what you've been told and what is actually written. (Check out which fruit Adam was suppose to have eaten).

The reality is, these stories are alegories. They always have been alegories. There is Christian writing from the 1st century that accepted this and that the creation of the world was a more complicated matter than six days.

Children would believe these stories because they are children. Just as they might believe that a nice old man would come into their bedroom and leave them a present. 

It was really only in the 19th century that some religious types in the US started to make claims of taking the Bible literally. At around the same time that people started to believe that before 1492, Europeans thought the world was flat. Or that a Christian could have an option to accept the doctrine of an eye for and eye.

Well, I was actually already on the same page as far as the stories being primarily allegorical and built around Hebrew cultural myths. I just hadn't heard the version where humans never existed in Eden to begin with. It took some real work to drill into my head that the Bible is not literally true and inerrant, but I did that about 6 years ago or so. I just still like to keep up with the ideas that literalists espouse, if for no other reason than to understand the variants of my religion beyond my own. The idea of humans existing prior to Adam and Eve but them still being the first humans just caused my mind to short-circuit, I wasn't aware that there were two accounts in one right there at the beginning of Genesis. I've read the Bible pretty carefully, and I somehow managed to miss that (probably simply didn't understand what I'd read).

[Michelle.]

Well i love you removed the hate statement from your signature 

I would ask for space in your farm house/utopia but I am who I am. Meaning in a matter of weeks I would try to incorporate the whole thing and sell franchises. 

Back to the topic at hand.

Annah. The question is why didn't they eat from the "tree of life first." I believe a close read shows that God didn't prevent Adam and Eve from eating from that tree. Just the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

One modern take on the story of the fall of man centers on our move from hunter gatherer societies to farming.

All things being equal though, at some point in time their was the first homo sapiens sapiens breeding pair.

[spacial]

My apologies Sailor_Saturn. I shouldn't have appeared to be lecturing you. My intent was to discuss, but the way it came across, sounded like preaching.

I have to confess to being equally surprised as each of the realities became obvious. We are all brought up with notions and rarely read anything for ourselves. Perhaps I still haven't fully gotten over my own surprise that I tend to scieze any opportunity to mention it myself.

Like most, I too was brought up on these stories.

It's little wonder that so many have simply chosen to walk away.

[Bishounen]

Well, I was actually already on the same page as far as the stories being primarily allegorical and built around Hebrew cultural myths. I just hadn't heard the version where humans never existed in Eden to begin with. It took some real work to drill into my head that the Bible is not literally true and inerrant, but I did that about 6 years ago or so. I just still like to keep up with the ideas that literalists espouse, if for no other reason than to understand the variants of my religion beyond my own. The idea of humans existing prior to Adam and Eve but them still being the first humans just caused my mind to short-circuit, I wasn't aware that there were two accounts in one right there at the beginning of Genesis. I've read the Bible pretty carefully, and I somehow managed to miss that (probably simply didn't understand what I'd read).

The idea that the "weird" parts in the Bible is just allegorical, is ofcourse fully possible, but hardly a fact but just a theory, really.
The other possibility on the matter are that the events and descriptions in the Bible originally were actual events, but events that the ancient people could not understand with the science back then, hence becoming "divine". Pretty much like the Cargo-Cults in the Islands on the Pacific Ocean that arose as late as during WW2, when American and Japanese soldiers flew in over the islands with their aircrafts to colonise.
The natives, that never ever had had any outside visitation, was convinced that the soldiers were divine beings with divine aircrafts, diving down straight from Heaven, hence in time, the natives started to worship them and tried to please them by keeping their landingstrips clear from dust.

Afterwards, when the "gods" had departed, myths and legends from their visit started to form, which in turn, transformed into actual religions and worshipping of various symbols, leftbehinds and textquotes that had been uttered by "the gods".
Churches were also built were the "wisdom" of these "gods" could be preached, and ofcourse, just as all religions, even this one contained a Savior, a Messias that one day promised to return; "John Frum".
However, "John Frum" was a being rolled up out of several various soldiers, that had presented themselves to the natives as "John from this and that", and in time this had become an actual individual named "John Frum".

Nowadays, most people on those Islands are fully aware that there never was anything divine about the events, as they have now seen both white people aswell as airplanes by this time, but the religions nonetheless actually still lives on.


In short, there is nothing to hinder that the same could very well be the case with the Bible, or perhaps even every religion.
Sure, it doesn't have to be that way, but, If one would read ancient texts with "modern take", it is surprising how many of those texts that actually suddenly do makes sence.

Probably that is why many people do not want yo do just that, as the ramifications of what it would possibly mean, are too much for them to handle, hence it feels safer to see it as "just symbols and allegories".


What concerns Adam and Eve not being the first Humans but nevertheless the first Humans, makes sence if you think about the fact that the other "Humans" were never called actual "Humans", but only their presence were described, meaning that they could just aswell and theoretically have been a tribe of Homo Erectus, for instance, while Adam and Eve were the genetically upgraded version; Homo Sapiens.

[Julie Marie]

Okay, let's take the clone theory as to who came first, Adam or Eve? 

There are some in the medical community who have posited that the male chromosomes are a mutation of the female chromosomes.  One of the X chromosomes mutated and ended up with what we now call the Y chromosome.  If you look at the side-by-side picture of the two, the Y certainly looks like a mutation.

Then there is the "we all begin life female" thing until something in the DNA kicks in and mutates one of the X's and turns it into a Y.  And the fact we all need at least one X.  So X has to be the perfect chromosome and that leaves only Y to be the mutation.

By that line of thinking, Eve had to come first.  The Big Guy in the Sky tried to clone Eve.  Out came this mutation.  If you ever saw the movie Multiplicity you'll remember how the clones of the Michael Keaton character were all mutations.  So that proves this is what happens when you clone somebody.

And now we know.  Eve was not trans, nor was she created from Adam's rib.  The first human was in fact female.

..........BUT!..........

There is still Lilith.  So maybe the Big Guy created two perfect humans.  Then he got a little lazy.  I mean, he had already done it twice, from scratch.  The thrill was gone.  So why not just copy the formula from one of the two and put it in the petri dish and sit back and enjoy the show? 

Then this hairy creature emerges, snorting and sniffing, looking for something to have sex with. 

Now the Big Guy was going to destroy the thing but was sort of amused and decided to lock it up and observe it. 

Then it escaped... and sniffed out Lilith.  It was stronger than Lilith and forced her to have sex.  Then, after it got bored, it started looking for some new tail and sniffed out Eve.  And it had sex with her. 

The Big Guy was pissed!  He needed to have a talk with the creature he now called Adam.  He told Adam he could live in this paradise, have sex with either Lilith or Eve anytime he wanted (both if he was feeling brave), eat all the food he wanted and if he was good, would soon be able to sit back on a Barcalounger watching sports on a wide screen plasma with all the beer he could drink, served ice cold.  NICE!

There was just one condition, Adam had to stay away from one fruit tree.  Just one! 

The Big Guy just wanted Adam to show him that he knew the Big Guy was still the boss. 

But could he do it?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO! 

One day, right after Adam's favorite football team got trounced in the Garden Bowl, Adam, quite drunk from all the Serpent's Ale he drank during the game, started seeing serpents coming out of the can and talking to him.  He got up from his Barcalounger, head spinning, and stumbled over to the Forbidden Tree to throw up.  He tossed his cookies and right afterwards heard those voices again. And, looking up, there was one of those serpent images looking down at him from the Forbidden Tree. 

"Eat this apple dude!  It will make you feel better.  Then you can go have sex with one of the chicks and you won't even need Viagra!"

COOL!

Naturally, Adam being your typical Garden of Eden macho dude, took the apple from the Tree but, like the pig he was, swallowed the thing whole. 

It got stuck in his throat!

As he lay on the ground, choking to death, he pleaded to the Big Guy to save him.  "Big Dude Guy!  Please save me!" 

The Big Guy said, "I'll save your sorry ass but I'm going to leave you with a reminder that when you disobey me, bad things happen." 

Adam said, "Anything Big Guy in the Sky!  ANYTHING!!! I just want to live and watch sports and drink beer and have sex... in that order."

So the Big Guy let him live but left a reminder that all men live with to this day.  The Adam's Apple.

And that folks, is the REAL story.   

[Bishounen]

Okay, let's take the clone theory as to who came first, Adam or Eve? 

There are some in the medical community who have posited that the male chromosomes are a mutation of the female chromosomes.  One of the X chromosomes mutated and ended up with what we now call the Y chromosome.  If you look at the side-by-side picture of the two, the Y certainly looks like a mutation.

Perhaps, but, what if it is the other way around? If playing around with the Bioengineering theory, that is.
If so, then Adam was probably not the first Humanoid, but rather the first of its engieneered kind. An experiemt that finally fell out satisfactory, you could say. And, as the creator/s was so satisfied with this being, it was decided to replicate him so that the new being could procreate itself and spread these satisfactory genes further and conquering out "the other people" that is mentioned in the Bible apart from Adam and Eve.
Hence, his Sex-Chromosomes was isolated out of a piece of a rib, the Y-Chromosome removed and the X-Chromosome duplicated and re-implanted in a genetically emptied egg from one of the "other" females, resulting in an embryo with female chromosome-set.
Mind you, the other way around, to create a male out of a female, is not possible, as the important factors are lacking in that scenario, for the reason that the "normal" and fertile Cis-female lacks an Y-Chromosome.

There is really no reason why the first Human in this scenario would need to be a female, actually, as the first modern Human could just aswell have been a male, just as the texts states.

Regarding Lilith, it is worth noting that according to some religious sources, she was described as being covered with hair(Mind you, only some sources claimes this), so, could she- according to this theory- have been a Homo Erectus-female? Could that have been the real reason why she was considered inappropriate to accompany the new being Adam? Because Adam's genes were too "pure" and needed to be kept clean from inappropriate genetic material?
Would make sense, as the whole Bible after all is filled with  instructions and comands fromthe get go on how to at all costs keep the bloodlines "clean", even threatening with death if those rules were desobayed.