The non op vs post op stuff has to stop.

[Mahsa Tezani]

I will be straight up. I am non op, I love my penis as I've never had issues with my genitals. My transition was never about it, and even if it was it would factor very small into being a woman overall. The body is just a shell, and this is worm food...so does it matter what I choose to do with it? Not really. Is it any of your business? No.

But since I came out as Non-Op. I've been called a "gay" among other insulting things. I've had my relationships put down and other insulting things. Now although I am not one to get srs...I have no problem with other people doing it. Go right ahead and do it, but respect the fact that others have not chosen your path. It doesn't make them any less than you... Society views us all in the same boat anyways. Whether we've had the surgery or not is irrelevant. It is also a petty thing to fight over.

SRS isn't for me. For reasons I've explained, from my personal perspective it won't cure TSism for me. Being a woman is so much more than that, even though I am the first to acknowledge...I was born male. Regardless of my chromsomes(which are chromounknowns) I was born male... I am not gonna deny that. However, I am who I am now...and please see me as such.

I don't care what you do with your bodies, please don't care what I do with mine.

[Steph]

The problem is that your very words are insulting to post-ops and restating them in a thread meant to try and mend fences will not work.

[winter88]

The problem is that your very words are insulting to post-ops and restating them in a thread meant to try and mend fences will not work.

:>

[Lily]

The problem is that your very words are insulting to post-ops and restating them in a thread meant to try and mend fences will not work.

How is anything here insulting?

[Jen-Jen]

The problem is that your very words are insulting to post-ops and restating them in a thread meant to try and mend fences will not work.

WHY? why are her words insulting to post-ops? Why is her likeing her penis such a big deal?we all have diffrent levels of Dysphoria!

[Steph]

If you were post op you would know.

Any reply to this thread by a post op would undoubtedly lead to another locked thread.

[Lily]

If you were post op you would know.

Maybe you could explain it?

[Jen-Jen]

If you were post op you would know.

Any reply to this thread by a post op would undoubtedly lead to another locked thread.

well I'm not,  so please explain. What diffrence does it make if post-op or not? Why would it lead to a locked thread? It would be that bad of a response?

Maybe you could explain it?

+1 please do!  I'm dying to hear it!

[Steph]

Generally speaking people who call themselves women but love their penises do not help the plight of TS, society see's women with penises as chicks with dicks and the porn industry is filled with what they refer to as "She Males"; deviants who make money making porn.

There aren't many women who would want to be called that, and I certainly don't believe that women in society would believe that a woman can have a penis unless it was a freak of nature.  I think that if you went out and asked, the vast majority of men and women would say that women have vaginas not penises.

[Joeyboo~ :3]

I luv mai cawk.
If that makes you feel terrible, then you have issues.

It's like a proud fat girl saying she loves her curves and a fat girl who hates her body saying that it's offensive to say you love them.

There ain't nothing wrong with it.
so calm yo' vagina down, qurl.


I'm so gonna get smited for this.

[Jen-Jen]

Generally speaking people who call themselves women but love their penises do not help the plight of TS, society see's women with penises as chicks with dicks and the porn industry is filled with what they refer to as "She Males"; deviants who make money making porn.

There aren't many women who would want to be called that, and I certainly don't believe that women in society would believe that a woman can have a penis unless it was a freak of nature.  I think that if you went out and asked, the vast majority of men and women would say that women have vaginas not penises.

why are they deviants? Most of them " chicks with dicks, ->-bleeped-<-s" are just  TS just working towards there srs! Not all but some. I'm sure they don't like to be called that either; its just a derogitory word placed on them. So your calling all pre-ops freaks of nature? Gee thanks! Who cares what society thinks; society thinks post -ops are freaks too!  Please read what you just posted, you are being as bigoted as the rest of society!

[Michelle.]

There's a section on this board, somewhere, called NON-OP!!!

Obviously, well to me at least, Susans is open to Fill in the everyone.

About being female, yet having male genitals. Ever heard of third genders? Hinduism and other pantheistic systems? Which depict their gods as being both male and female? Heck, sects that are Judeo- Christian contain mythological/spiritual representations as the creator god being male and female at the same time.

In other words. The concept of duality in gender/sex/genitalia is older than pre-recorded history.

About this whole she-male porn connection. To each is own. How do you even know about that sort of thing?
That's like a conservative Southern Baptists Preacher bitching and moaning about the debauchery he saw on Saturday night at his local honky tonk, while preaching (prolly hungover) on Sunday.

[Jen-Jen]

I luv mai cawk.
If that makes you feel terrible, then you have issues.

It's like a proud fat girl saying she loves her curves and a fat girl who hates her body saying that it's offensive to say you love them.

There ain't nothing wrong with it.
so calm yo' vagina down, qurl.


I'm so gonna get smited for this.

you go girl I got yo back! We will be smited together!

[Joeyboo~ :3]

It's just funny how all non-ops don't care.

We let anyone do whatever.
If it makes you feel right, it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.
There isn't no "your lifestyle insults me and my vagina nag nag nag"

oh and a disclaimer~
I'm not saying all post op women are like this.

[Steph]

Hey you can be what ever you want to be; you can feel however you want to feel; you can call yourself anything you want to; but you may have trouble convincing those in the real world that people with a penis could be a woman.

TS who are working towards their surgery are not non-ops they are pre-ops.

Hey I just stated what society would probably state.

Go out and ask them - complete strangers that is.

Oh I don't smite much either.

[Jen-Jen]

There's a section on this board, somewhere, called NON-OP!!!

Obviously, well to me at least, Susans is open to Fill in the everyone.

About being female, yet having male genitals. Ever heard of third genders? Hinduism and other pantheistic systems? Which depict their gods as being both male and female? Heck, sects that are Judeo- Christian contain mythological/spiritual representations as the creator god being male and female at the same time.

In other words. The concept of duality in gender/sex/genitalia is older than pre-recorded history.

About this whole she-male porn connection. To each is own. How do you even know about that sort of thing?
That's like a conservative Southern Baptists Preacher bitching and moaning about the debauchery he saw on Saturday night at his local honky tonk, while preaching (prolly hungover) on Sunday.

there is a non op section but susans is for everyone! We are all brothers and sisters here that deal with diffrent levels of dyshoria and don't we deal enough judgement; harassment and bigotry in the real world? Why have it here? To each there own!

[Joeyboo~ :3]

Hey you can be what ever you want to be; you can feel however you want to feel; you can call yourself anything you want to; but you may have trouble convincing those in the real world that people with a penis could be a woman.

TS who are working towards their surgery are not non-ops they are pre-ops.

Hey I just stated what society would probably state.

Go out and ask them - complete strangers that is.

Oh I don't smite much either.

I misjudged you then.

Sorry
X:

[Michelle.]

I come here, in part, to escape the real world. I do confine my political views, for the most part, to that part of the board. My religious views, in general, as well.

Those to me should be the only truly hot button issues here at Susans.

What shouldn't be a hot topic is who qualifies as worthy.

If you have issues regarding gender, then the door ought to be open to you.

[Jen-Jen]

Hey you can be what ever you want to be; you can feel however you want to feel; you can call yourself anything you want to; but you may have trouble convincing those in the real world that people with a penis could be a woman.

TS who are working towards their surgery are not non-ops they are pre-ops.

Hey I just stated what society would probably state.

Go out and ask them - complete strangers that is.

Oh I don't smite much either.

who cares what they think! I know I am a woman! I don't need society to prove it! I don't need to convince anyone but my S.O.! society doesn't need to know what's in my pants or under my skirt. Ok  pre-op if working towards it, non- op if not ok so back to who cares if she or they like their penis? Society only states stupidity! It depends who you ask!

And you called me (and all non /pre-ops too) a freak! what's up with that?

[Michelle.]

^agree.

Those getting inside my pants, are the only ones whose business it is what resides inside my pants.

Those includes doctors and SO.