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The opposite problem of most SO's... or so I'm told.

Started by Ellie Ryan, November 08, 2011, 10:36:24 PM

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Ellie Ryan

Hi there, I'm new here. In fact, this is my first post. I don't even know how to start describing my complicated situation. I hate labels, but I find them convenient short-hand at times, so I suppose I'll just rattle off a list of them first.

Body: genetically female
Gender: bi-gendered, but I tend to go with 1st person female and 3rd person male just to avoid confusion
Relationship status: married to my spouse when she was male, engaged to her as her female self (see below)
Religion: Unitarian Universalist
Politics: It's complicated, but largely fiscally conservative and socially liberal
Heart: Very loving and full of glitter
Other labels: Word nerd, autistic, person with PTSD, addicted to purple
Age: 39 for another few months

My spouse is Dana H on these boards, and I adore her. I really, really do! We met 21 years ago in college and were friends for a little more than a decade before we started dating. After 2 years of dating and being engaged, we married in 2004. At the time, I more than suspected that she was a female inside: I kind of hoped she was. In fact, I sometimes think that her male persona never loved me at all and that it's really Dana's female self, her *true* self, who fell in Love with me. Flash forward 3 years to 2007, and she came out to both herself and to me. My first and most genuine reaction was to hold her close and tell her I Love her. However, she scared me silly by saying that she didn't even know who she was, let alone be able to speak to being in a relationship with someone. I freaked out for about 15 minutes, but then I reminded myself that this was my Soulmate, and as I have said all along, it's the person inside who matters, so it would just be a matter of time before she realized that she still is my Soulmate and still Loves me. By Christmas of that year, she knew, and on Valentine's Day 2008, I proposed to her and asked her to be my wife. Someday, when she comes out of that dratted closet, we will have a second wedding, this time with her in the pretty white dress and me in something more in line with my bi-gendered self.

Anyhow, it's that closet that's really my problem. I have high-functioning autism, and as a result, I find it VERY hard to lie. Every time I say her male name or use the male pronouns, it tastes like a lie in my mouth. I cognitively understand the need for her closet. She works with some less-than-stellar individuals who were even rooting for the killer of a local transgendered woman during the trial. If they found out about her, there is a strong probability they would attack her. So until then, a select group of our friends know (so she can have support), but the vast number of people in our lives don't know, including our families, because right now it seems to be such a moot point... and also a somewhat dangerous situation. We actually have more fear of it slipping out from someone who has NO problem with her being transgendered because that's the sort of person who thinks all closets are dumb and unnecessary.

So here I am, lying for her and playing these word games in my head with pronouns, trying to remember to call her "her" at home and "him" in public and trying to not be too comfortable with either set so I don't accidentally slip up in either setting, trying to keep track of which name to use, always having to run my words through my mind twice before they come out my mouth, developing a stutter from trying to keep it all straight. And then, add on top of that the fact that she has MAJOR depression from her body dysmorphia and lack of motion in transitioning. The meds aren't working anymore, and our sex life has just sort of stopped. We've had relations about 6 times over the last year, and I'm starting to feel very frumpy and unsexy as a result. I really miss the passion and the way she used to look at me. I know it's just because she's the human zombie from the depression right now, but it doesn't take away this feeling like I have a particularly kind roommate and no spouse.

From what I understand, most transgendered folk would kill to have a wife like me who is so understanding, supportive, and Loving, and I'm glad that I can be that for Dana because she is so wonderfully precious to me. On the other hand, I feel like I'm starting to fray around the edges from all this stress and secrecy, and I also fear that these feelings on both her end and mine will ultimately start to erode our relationship. So I guess what I'm looking for is some good coping skills. Failing that, anyone have a winning lottery ticket so Dana can get out of her sucky job? :P

Thanks for listening to me. And thanks to whoever (Susan?) for starting this forum in the first place. It's nice to have a place to come to seek help.

~~Ellie
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LexiToPeter?

Hi Ellie,

I may not be the best person to answer your question, but it's been a couple days since you posted and I'd hate to see it go unreplied to any longer.

That work situation sucks, and if it's at all possible, she should get a new job. I know jobs aren't exactly in surplus right now, but looking for another job might be a starting point. Do you have a job or is it just her? If you work too, you might be able to support both of you with just your income.

As for being closeted, would her family react violently or would the reaction put her into a deeper depression? Would any friends of hers or yours react violently? Perhaps if you're worried about it slipping out, you should have a word with some of the friends that know and explain why they can't and how important it is.

A question about the transition being stalled: is it not going anywhere because she isn't out yet? :/ If so and it's causing her to be so depressed, again, it's a good idea to get her out of that work environment.

Are the meds for depression? If so, then maybe you should talk with her therapist/psychologist/counselor/whatever it's called and work on getting them right again....I'm not sure if that would help or not.

It's awesome to someone as supportive as you:D Hope I helped a bit.


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Ellie Ryan

Quote from: LexiToPeter? on November 12, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
Hi Ellie,

I may not be the best person to answer your question, but it's been a couple days since you posted and I'd hate to see it go unreplied to any longer.

Thanks! 'Preciate that. :) I'll intersperse my answers to your questions below.

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That work situation sucks, and if it's at all possible, she should get a new job. I know jobs aren't exactly in surplus right now, but looking for another job might be a starting point. Do you have a job or is it just her? If you work too, you might be able to support both of you with just your income.


These are dicey questions because our answers might tell too much in a public forum. Best I can say is that she works in an industry that has mostly gone overseas, so jobs are scarce. Her current job would probably fire her if they found out, as well as being the harsh environment I mentioned. As for me, we run a small business from home, but it's not making enough now to pay either of us a salary. We have a couple of big projects in the works that might soon make it so that she could come home and work the business full time like I do. In the  meantime, I'm working long, hard hours to make this happen. It's our best shot. My autism has made me into a person that I don't think will work outside the home ever again. The last time I did was 6 years ago, and I had a nervous breakdown as a result. There is real hope here for us breaking into a space where our company stands on its own and allows her to be who she wants to be. It's just going to take time to make it happen. In the meantime, she keeps searching through the scanty job listings and applying for everything possible... like she has for years.

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As for being closeted, would her family react violently or would the reaction put her into a deeper depression? Would any friends of hers or yours react violently? Perhaps if you're worried about it slipping out, you should have a word with some of the friends that know and explain why they can't and how important it is.

The issue with the family is directly tied to work. Work is in contact with her family, and Dana doesn't want to have to put anyone in a position where they have to lie. We have some friends who know about her who aren't in contact with her workplace, and the reason they get to know about her is because our inter-actions with them are largely in private. Keeping her secret isn't any kind of a burden to them.
A question about the transition being stalled: is it not going anywhere because she isn't out yet? :/ If so and it's causing her to be so depressed, again, it's a good idea to get her out of that work environment.

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Are the meds for depression? If so, then maybe you should talk with her therapist/psychologist/counselor/whatever it's called and work on getting them right again....I'm not sure if that would help or not.

Yup. The meds are for depression. The doc has told her that with the range of side-effects and drug interactions taken into consideration, this is largely the only one that works at all. It used to work great, but now, not so much. :/

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It's awesome to someone as supportive as you:D Hope I helped a bit.

Thank you very much! I appreciate your support and your questions. I am always open to them in case there's something we've overlooked.

Tonight, at least, I did what I could to support her by giving her a nice pedicure and painting a Hello Kitty on my own thumbnail as a sign of my Love for my little Hello Kitty addict. It's not much, but it's something. Every little bit helps. And if I do say so myself, her nails look great. :)

Thank you for your supportive posting. This really seems like a great community.

~~E <3
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LexiToPeter?

Just as a warning, I may completely mess up the whole quoting thing, seeing as I've never done it before, but here goes:

Quote from: Ellie Ryan on November 12, 2011, 08:49:21 PM
Thanks! 'Preciate that. :) I'll intersperse my answers to your questions below.

These are dicey questions because our answers might tell too much in a public forum. Best I can say is that she works in an industry that has mostly gone overseas, so jobs are scarce. Her current job would probably fire her if they found out, as well as being the harsh environment I mentioned. As for me, we run a small business from home, but it's not making enough now to pay either of us a salary. We have a couple of big projects in the works that might soon make it so that she could come home and work the business full time like I do. In the  meantime, I'm working long, hard hours to make this happen. It's our best shot. My autism has made me into a person that I don't think will work outside the home ever again. The last time I did was 6 years ago, and I had a nervous breakdown as a result. There is real hope here for us breaking into a space where our company stands on its own and allows her to be who she wants to be. It's just going to take time to make it happen. In the meantime, she keeps searching through the scanty job listings and applying for everything possible... like she has for years.


Don't feel pressured to give out info to anyone here on the forum if you're not comfortable with it, because you're right, this is a public forum. I hope I wasn't too prying. But it sounds like you're doing the best you can with your business and looking for jobs, and it looks like that may your solution to this.

Quote from: Ellie Ryan on November 12, 2011, 08:49:21 PM

The issue with the family is directly tied to work. Work is in contact with her family, and Dana doesn't want to have to put anyone in a position where they have to lie. We have some friends who know about her who aren't in contact with her workplace, and the reason they get to know about her is because our inter-actions with them are largely in private. Keeping her secret isn't any kind of a burden to them.

Yup. The meds are for depression. The doc has told her that with the range of side-effects and drug interactions taken into consideration, this is largely the only one that works at all. It used to work great, but now, not so much. :/

From what I gather, all of it really ties back to that work thing. :/ That really sucks because it sounds like both of you are doing the best you can with the situation. You mentioned in the previous quote section (on this post) that the industry she works in went over seas.....I'm not sure how invasive this question is, but can she apply for more then one position or just one? As in, can she apply only for the equivalent position at another company/employer, or can she apply for various positions within her industry? ( I do hope that makes sense....I don't think I explained my question very well.)

For the meds, it sucks that nothing can be done. :(

Quote from: Ellie Ryan on November 12, 2011, 08:49:21 PM

Thank you very much! I appreciate your support and your questions. I am always open to them in case there's something we've overlooked.

Tonight, at least, I did what I could to support her by giving her a nice pedicure and painting a Hello Kitty on my own thumbnail as a sign of my Love for my little Hello Kitty addict. It's not much, but it's something. Every little bit helps. And if I do say so myself, her nails look great. :)

Thank you for your supportive posting. This really seems like a great community.

~~E <3

You're amazingly supportive of her and the fact that you're working so hard and even posting on here for advice shows how much you care about her. :) Every little bit does help.

This community is great. Just lurking here and occasionally posting has helped me work through all my gender identity issues.
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Ellie Ryan

Your questions made perfect sense, and you did the quote thing very well! I get what you're asking, and the answer is that she has a certain skill set that is quite technical, and that's the sort of work that's gone overseas. There are a few different kinds of positions for which she can apply, but really, those that are out there get hundreds of applicants. It's a fierce field right now.

I had noticed Dana posting here for quite a while, and I really tried to stay away so it wouldn't seem like I was being a helicopter-spouse or something like that. I don't want her to feel like I'm watching her every move. I spent maybe a month asking her over and over if she would mind if I came here for support. She assured me each time she's fine with it, so I finally got brave enough to show up. Everyone's been super-duper nice to me, present company included.

I realize at the cognitive level, after hearing stories in here, on other forums, and in personal memoirs, that I am the exception rather than the rule as far as spousal acceptance goes, but really, it's not like I *did* anything. This isn't a conscious choice. This is just me being non-hypocritical. I mean, I'm bi-gendered. And if there was a kind of surgery that could attach the extra bit I don't have and let me keep what I do, I would totally do that! And then I would be in a similar boat as Dana. But from what I understand, FtM lower surgery isn't even there yet, and I haven't heard of anyone else like me who honestly wants to have a hermaphroditic body, so I'm kind of stuck as a fem-bot with a male side to my personality. How could I be that and not be loving towards those who, like me, wish for a different body? As Spock would say, that is illogical.

Anyhow, you seem like a really nice person, and I'm enjoying getting to know you better. I have mad-crazy research skillz-with-a-Z as a librarian, so if you ever need anything in that direction and want discretion, feel free to drop me a line. :)

Take care,

~~E
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