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how do you know if your passing or if people just dont care?

Started by Eve of chaos, November 12, 2011, 07:17:13 AM

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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forum Admin on November 16, 2011, 12:30:40 AM
You already knew this girl was trans, didn't you? Sorry, but there is nothing 'wrong' (as in vestiges of T poisoning) with her face. I bet you 'clock' ciswomen all day long.

Her face has a masculine edge to it...I can't explain it. But based on her jaw width, nose shape, and forehead. I just know she was born male.

Nope. I don't see cis or trans through rose colored glasses. Trans are fairly rare in my area. I see them more in SF.

She is very pretty. But I see beautiful DQs who look exactly like her and it is public knowledge she is trans. She does vids.
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Nero

What I'm betting though is that if it wasn't public knowledge, you wouldn't know. Look at those shoulders, for starters. Many women have so called masculine features. Probably every ciswoman has a few masculine features. I had a masculine build and fat distribution but a very feminine face for example. I bet you would have clocked me as trans.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forum Admin on November 16, 2011, 01:01:25 AM
What I'm betting though is that if it wasn't public knowledge, you wouldn't know. Look at those shoulders, for starters. Many women have so called masculine features. Probably every ciswoman has a few masculine features. I had a masculine build and fat distribution but a very feminine face for example. I bet you would have clocked me as trans.

Why are we arguing this? Seriously. My opinion isn't gonna change and does it really matter overall?

Uhh... I would think there was something up if I saw her.

I live in SF. I was part of the gay community...and I am an observant person.
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Nero

What matters is you're holding trans women up to some standard that ciswomen don't even meet.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forum Admin on November 16, 2011, 01:18:43 AM
What matters is you're holding trans women up to some standard that ciswomen don't even meet.

Nope.
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Nero

The beautiful girl you referenced could have been any cisgirl strolling through any mall in the US. Now, I am a fan of honesty, sometimes even brutal, but there is a point when it gets ridiculous.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forum Admin on November 16, 2011, 01:33:52 AM
The beautiful girl you referenced could have been any cisgirl strolling through any mall in the US. Now, I am a fan of honesty, sometimes even brutal, but there is a point when it gets ridiculous.

Perhaps. We agree to disagree.
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Eve of chaos

well i jsut got back from a show tonight.

at said show a stranger walked up to me and said "whats up man?" whilest I was in a skirt and make-up...>.>

guess I dont pass too well yet. got my answer anyway.

Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Eve of Chaos on November 16, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
well i jsut got back from a show tonight.

at said show a stranger walked up to me and said "whats up man?" whilest I was in a skirt and make-up...>.>

guess I dont pass too well yet. got my answer anyway.

Did he treat you like a dude? My female friends and I call each other "man" and "browich"
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Nero

Quote from: Elle Hollywood 90210 on November 16, 2011, 01:39:27 AM
Perhaps. We agree to disagree.

Perhaps. I've nothing against catty or even bitchy but it's much better when it makes sense.  :laugh:
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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tekla

I hold different people to different standards.  I don't have any particular standard for 'trans' persons as a whole, or 'cis' persons either.  Perhaps I use finer shadings when grouping people.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forum Admin on November 16, 2011, 01:51:08 AM
Perhaps. I've nothing against catty or even bitchy but it's much better when it makes sense.  :laugh:

I must apologize I've been having some health issues lately and took a vicodin. I might be high when arguing here.
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Eve of chaos

I didn't really carry on a conversation. i just said hi and im good and he carried on his way. more like a passing greeting then actual intent on conversing. but the way it was said made me clearly feel like he was labeling as male.

also some weird guy came up and introduced himself, and when i told him my name he got even weirder and left...but I tihnk he was on something so i discredit that...he really was strange.


MarinaM

Quote from: Eve of Chaos on November 16, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
well i jsut got back from a show tonight.

at said show a stranger walked up to me and said "whats up man?" whilest I was in a skirt and make-up...>.>

guess I dont pass too well yet. got my answer anyway.

Happens.

You can tweak the situation and apply mental gymnastics. If they were willing to treat you well and address you while assuming you were a "man in a dress," then what does that say about them?

Okay, I have a co worker that talks to everyone and tells them I'm a boy--------
NOW, I should have a very serious problem with that, and it does rub me the wrong way, but you have to understand that I wear a name tag that says Emma, we are given a uniform, I wear full makeup to work every day, 70 to 80 people out of 100 who walk through those doors either don't give a ****, or they think I'm just some chick and they address me as a woman. Besides, the ->-bleeped-<- has been kinda quiet, and my coworkers have been putting in the effort to call me "she" anyway.

There is no magic wand that won't cost you about 8 - 15k to wave (for the privilege of cracking your skull and tearing into your face) that can make the feeling of uncertainty go away immediately. Just stick to it and show them you're serious, try and remain confident and happy, this can take some time.
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Nero

Quote from: Elle Hollywood 90210 on November 16, 2011, 02:01:17 AM
I must apologize I've been having some health issues lately and took a vicodin. I might be high when arguing here.

That's quite alright. We've all been there, hon.  :) Just be sure to deliver the standard of cattiness I've come to associate with your profile once you're feeling better, dear.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forum Admin on November 16, 2011, 02:30:53 AM
That's quite alright. We've all been there, hon.  :) Just be sure to deliver the standard of cattiness I've come to associate with your profile once you're feeling better, dear.

Awww thanks.

Just had a headache, but I have a date with this cute geek apparently. He is hot.
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Medusa

IMVU: MedusaTheStrange
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mixie

See this is the kind of thing I mean.  I would say you look like a cis woman but since you put the picture up here if I had to find "clues" that you might be a trans  I would say the scarf at the neck might be covering an adams apple.

But it's only because I'm being asked to look and pick at it.


Obviously there are some women on here that have masculine features (you don't seem to to me)  but many  ciswomen I've seen have masculine features including myself. 

The only thing that would make me think a woman was trans if if she had a five o'clock shadow.  :laugh:




Quote from: Elle Woods 90210 on November 15, 2011, 11:09:36 PM
I think transpeople see each other through rose colored glasses.... I tend to be a bit more objective.


This girl does vids on youtube, she think she passes 100% and that "no one can tell". Listen, she's beautiful and presents herself as a babe(like me) but one look at her face reveals that she was born an XY.

Do people respect her? You bet.
Do guys love her? You bet.
Can some people tell she's not a genetic female? You bet.

I work in cosmetics. I see male and female faces all day. I've turned men into women and women into men. It is very hard for me to look at someone and tell them, "you pass" because passing requires so much work.

But I am upfront about everything with everyone.

But you present your opinion as if it is the "Real Deal" the way most people go through life.   Most people aren't out there with their transdar gunning to catch out people for being trans.

Perhaps the social group you hang out with and the line of work you do will create a sort of paradigm for this but it's your personal paradigm, it's not the way the average person moves through the world.

If you want to give yourself a gold star every time you clock a trans  then kudos to you.   But the woman in this picture is beautiful and probably more beautiful than the average woman I've seen around and about.

Do you live in a very homogenized society where people come from the same cultures?  I see many European and Mediterranean women who are much more masculine than the woman in that picture and I'd never "clock" them or even consider it.

If you are on the lookout for something, you will see what you want to see eventually.   I wonder how many cisgendered women you've clocked as trans.

;D

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JenJen2011

Just live your life and stop worrying. You'll pass more that way.
"You have one life to live so live it right"
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Mahsa Tezani

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