San Francisco tales: My experience in the Haight Ashbury.

[Mahsa Tezani]

So I had to go shopping for Christmas gifts today in the Haight. The Haight is the exact opposite of the Castro. It's filled with straight men...who are counterculture. Now I had men checking me out all day long...I am used to it. But I very much project a "don't talk to me" attitude. I let it down tonight...maybe cuz I was high. I don't know.

But yeah, the Haight is definitely a litmus to how you're passing.  There are a lot of onery hippy kids, punks, homeless, stoners. people who will honestly tell you how you pass...even if you don't.

The entire night, I heard cheesy pick up lines... Men telling me they wanted to go to bed with me...men wanting to do horrible sexual things to me. I got super nervous and ran around. Now I go to the Haight twice a year due to the fact that I grew from being a counterculture gay in my early 20s to a upwardly mobile gay to a female version of a gay guy(I have many elements of their style)

But when I first started transitioning, the Haight was always where I would hear what people really thought. Union Square is so busy, Ocean Beach is quiet, and the Castro is bitchy. It's not the straightest part of the City, but I'd rather date a guy from the Haight with dreads than some bro. They are less judgemental...

But whew, I've never felt so uncomfortable around every single man today. I tried to avoid them. But I picked up "Another Gay Movie"...and will be watching it tonight.

Then I went to the Castro and NO GAY MEN talked to me the entire night. I was at Midnight Sun and basically the men there were all into themselves. So what was with that?

[Mariposa]

Girl, it's probably because you don't look like trade anymore? I mean..that would be the reason I would think anyway. Or maybe it was just a bad crowd that night. I'm a little jealous you're in a place that has such a rich culture. Orlando is pretty good, too, but I can't say they have an area JUST for them, but we do have some parts of town that are like mega LGBT friendly.

[MsDazzler]

lmao, oh, darling, Masha! I could have my own San Francisco tales thread with all the crazy things that have happened to me!

Looking forward to raising ruckus on the town with you one night, grrl!

[AbraCadabra]

" So what was with that? "

The MORE you pass for who you really are (female) the less you appeal to any gay male. SORRY, unless you want to qualify for a ->-bleeped-<--hag. (I would HATE it!)

You wouldn't want to hear of it then, it is my VERY experience - AND it makes me sad to say it (a little at least).
I lost some very good friend(s) by that, they where great - but no .... no deal.

So much more to that subject, how about the old days of simply "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" ... life was easier then.

Axélle

[Mahsa Tezani]

Girl, it's probably because you don't look like trade anymore? I mean..that would be the reason I would think anyway. Or maybe it was just a bad crowd that night. I'm a little jealous you're in a place that has such a rich culture. Orlando is pretty good, too, but I can't say they have an area JUST for them, but we do have some parts of town that are like mega LGBT friendly.

Well gay men just see me as a woman. Women are largely invisible in the Castro and I am not a rentboy anymore.

Haight isn't like that...when I first started. I had street people pointing out, "OMG, thats a boy!"

[Mahsa Tezani]

lmao, oh, darling, Masha! I could have my own San Francisco tales thread with all the crazy things that have happened to me!

Looking forward to raising ruckus on the town with you one night, grrl!

You should write about it. Since we're both trans and pass well in a city that should know. I'd love to hear your perspective.

But honestly, there is too much of a good thing where a guy hits on me EVERY SINGLE BLOCK. But it's SF... All those cute hipster boys. Makes me want to dump my boyfriend and go to BURNING MAN.

[tekla]

Pretty much outside of Amoeba, the bar next door to Amoeba and the Betty Page store the Haight is useless.  Far too many burn-out, puppy-pullers, and Trustafarians for my taste.  The older I get the more the Robert De Nero line from Taxi Driver about "someday a real rain is going to come and wash all the scum away," makes sense to me.  I suppose its like finding out you really are an adult when it turns out that Easy Rider DOES have a happy ending.

[Mahsa Tezani]

  I suppose its like finding out you really are an adult when it turns out that Easy Rider DOES have a happy ending.

Easy Rider is my fave movie.

I disagree. They got killed for being a different voice in an old society.

[fionabell]

So I had to go shopping for Christmas gifts today in the Haight. The Haight is the exact opposite of the Castro. It's filled with straight men...who are counterculture. Now I had men checking me out all day long...I am used to it. But I very much project a "don't talk to me" attitude. I let it down tonight...maybe cuz I was high. I don't know.

But yeah, the Haight is definitely a litmus to how you're passing.  There are a lot of onery hippy kids, punks, homeless, stoners. people who will honestly tell you how you pass...even if you don't.

The entire night, I heard cheesy pick up lines... Men telling me they wanted to go to bed with me...men wanting to do horrible sexual things to me. I got super nervous and ran around. Now I go to the Haight twice a year due to the fact that I grew from being a counterculture gay in my early 20s to a upwardly mobile gay to a female version of a gay guy(I have many elements of their style)

But when I first started transitioning, the Haight was always where I would hear what people really thought. Union Square is so busy, Ocean Beach is quiet, and the Castro is bitchy. It's not the straightest part of the City, but I'd rather date a guy from the Haight with dreads than some bro. They are less judgemental...

But whew, I've never felt so uncomfortable around every single man today. I tried to avoid them. But I picked up "Another Gay Movie"...and will be watching it tonight.

Then I went to the Castro and NO GAY MEN talked to me the entire night. I was at Midnight Sun and basically the men there were all into themselves. So what was with that?

I don't understand any of this post, yet your syntax and grammar seems to be passable.

[fionabell]

" So what was with that? "

The MORE you pass for who you really are (female) the less you appeal to any gay male. SORRY, unless you want to qualify for a ->-bleeped-<--had. (I would HATE it!)

You wouldn't want to hear of it then, it is my VERY experience - AND it makes me sad to say it (a little at least).
I lost some very good friend(s) by that, they where great - but no .... no deal.

So much more to that subject, how about the old days of simply "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" ... life was easier then.

Axélle

same with this one

[fionabell]

Girl, it's probably because you don't look like trade anymore? I mean..that would be the reason I would think anyway. Or maybe it was just a bad crowd that night. I'm a little jealous you're in a place that has such a rich culture. Orlando is pretty good, too, but I can't say they have an area JUST for them, but we do have some parts of town that are like mega LGBT friendly.

this one as well

[Mahsa Tezani]

this one as well

I used to be a rentboy. Rentboys are part of the flesh trade.

[tekla]

a different voice in an old society

I used to think that too.  Then I realized that selling poison that ruins lives merely for a quick and easy financial gain is EXACTLY what made the old society sick and twisted.  They were absolutely no different than the people they pretended to despise and rebel against.  Matter of fact, they were (and without any remorse at all) responsible for killing the one person in that movie who really was a rebel, and who was really rebelling.

[Mariposa]

this one as well

Trade = common(gay) lingo used to address a (usually really attractive) man.

example: "Oooh, look at that fine piece of Trade! Doesn't he look amazing?!"

or... "Girl, you NEED to not talk in your trade voice. Otherwise you'll get clocked!"

Hope that helps.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Trade = common(gay) lingo used to address a (usually really attractive) man.

example: "Oooh, look at that fine piece of Trade! Doesn't he look amazing?!"

or... "Girl, you NEED to not talk in your trade voice. Otherwise you'll get clocked!"

Hope that helps.

Most gay men assume I am some fruitfly..... Kinda weird they can't see one of their own underneath the hair, makeup, and hormones. But some of them have said, "you're such a hot ass girl"...and I am like, "you see you aren't seeing the male?"

Unless I dress up in full crazy DRAG....I am a normal girl to them.

[MsDazzler]

lol, sigh, gay men and I dance a complicated tango - they would totally be all over me in the bars, but then in the same breath say, "I can't sleep with you because you are a woman, but oh, you are so sexy and beautiful!" lol

I already brought home few gay men after transitioning - ironically, slept with them without having slept with them, lol.

They all are on my FB, heh.

[AbraCadabra]

lol, sigh, gay men and I dance a complicated tango - they would totally be all over me in the bars, but then in the same breath say, "I can't sleep with you because you are a woman, but oh, you are so sexy and beautiful!" lol

I already brought home few gay men after transitioning - ironically, slept with them without having slept with them, lol.

They all are on my FB, heh.

Well, once again... straight from the horse mouth, as the saying goes.
In all fairness, they DO bore the crap out of me in bed with their intensions of 'bending one straight - ahh cis-gay?' in the 'bed situation'. Then maybe some male-gay 'educational' videos as if that wasn't enough. So every body say - "Lets be FRIENDS...!" if that's really possible I'm not too sure.

Just my own take and seeing some reflections...
Axélle
PS: once we have notable size of breasts we anyway out, Out, OUT, like who are we kidding, eh?