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A question on integrating a transperson into the parish (kind of long--sorry)

Started by Inwood, December 26, 2011, 12:56:46 PM

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Inwood

Hello all,

I am a (cisgender, lesbian, partnered to a post-op MTF woman) lay leader in an Episcopal parish. For the last four or five years, a (pre-op, not that it matters) transwoman has been attending our parish, and went through our education program and was received into the Episcopal church in the last couple of years.

Let's call her Diana, for simplicity.

Diana is involved with Sunday morning worship, which usually has about nine places for involvement that involves putting on robes. One of those roles usually requires a brocade vestment, and another is holding the incense pot and swinging it (yep, the famous "flaming purse".) Diana is trained for all but one of those spots--the actual leader role.

This is a pretty good-sized parish, and we have approximately 70 people who take part in this part of worship. So, 70 / 9 = not everyone gets to do everything every Sunday or festival. The people who are part of this are also requested to make themselves available for funerals and weddings, as an act of charity to those who have those services at our church.

Diana _really_ likes to swing the incense pot, and do the role that wears the brocade. She's okay at doing the tasks, but not better than anyone else, particularly (and doesn't really change when given gentle feedback). Every time a wedding or a funeral comes up, she volunteers _only_ for one of those roles. If she is assigned to something else, she _almost_ always begs off and finds a substitute. She has also developed a habit of not coming to church regularly--in any given month, she might be there once if she "only" is sitting in a pew. This makes it a little hard for people to get to know her. She is irregularly and only intermittently involved in other activities in the church, of which she is welcome to everything (except the 20s/30s group, since she is outside that range) and has over the years received repeated personal invitations to join.

A few weeks ago, Diana approached me about being trained for the worship leader role. I cringed, and wrote her a long email explaining how that role is completely responsible for what happens in a service, and that it requires a long-term record of commitment, flexibility, and demonstration of team-playing. I took her aside that Sunday and also explained, after much agonizing on my part, that she has "dug herself into a hole" with regard to reliability and credibility, since she so often begs off assignments she doesn't like. I told her to work on her reliability and flexibility for six months, and then we could talk about it again. (NB: I don't pick the leaders, but the head minister always asks input from me and the other existing leaders--and almost never overrides our opinion.) I know she has a terrible living situation and is unemployed. Parishioners have offered resume help, networking contacts, industry leads, etc--and they do not seem to be accepted. So yes, life really is hard. But so it is for others in the parish--some of whom are homeless, many of whom are also long-term unemployed, suffering from severe chronic illness, etc. Diana does not have the only set of problems in the church--that is why we are a church.

So, Christmas.

For the last two years Diana had been assigned one of two incense-swinger roles at the very large, very complicated Christmas Eve service. The first year it was, "Let's make sure to include Diana." The second year was, "We should let Diana do it again." This year, a very long-standing and active member of the church, learned that she has to move out of the parish. This would be her last Christmas in the church that has been her home for nearly two decades. So, she was assigned one incense-swinger role. I was assigned the other, since I hadn't done it in about ten years. There are a dozen of us who are trained to do this role, and like every other role, the rule is that in our community, we all share the big events over a period of years.

Diana was in fact assigned to the service, in a role she does but makes no secret of not preferring. She did not appear for the required pre-service rehearsal, but the leader made an exception for her and allowed her to serve anyway. She refused to speak (not even a formal "Merry Christmas") to the other woman or me. She did not take part in the setup before the service. She bolted out while we were still cleaning up, and was in the post-service party while some of the servers were still putting things away. She left the impression that she did just the minimum possible, and then ran out to show off her new evening gown at the reception (let's not even talk about the effect a spangled evening gown has at a post-service Christmas reception where everyone else wears business casual.)

I am annoyed. I thought that she had really gotten our conversation about being a team player, and being included means taking on the same responsibilities everyone else has.

So, is there anything else we can do to help her understand that being part of the community means _equal_ responsibility, not _special_ exemption from any unappealing work? We have been at this for two years now (we didn't ask _anything_ and made every exception going, for the first two years she's been part of us, but now some people are getting fed up).

Help!
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Anatta

Kia Ora Inwood,

::) Have you ever asked yourself "What would Jesus do ?" As a non believer I often wonder if any believers ever stop to ponder this [in deep contemplation/meditation] when faced with a difficult decision or situation...Try it it might surprise you...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Inwood

Hi Zenda!

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, Jesus did tell us what to do: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A15-17&version=NIV

I think we've pretty much done it, except for the last bit. I would like to continue to reconcile....

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Anatta

Quote from: Inwood on December 26, 2011, 02:07:00 PM
Hi Zenda!

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, Jesus did tell us what to do: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A15-17&version=NIV

I think we've pretty much done it, except for the last bit. I would like to continue to reconcile....

Kia Ora Inwood,

::) I've just read Matthew's take on things, surely Jesus would have more compassion than that, it sounds quite harsh to me...

::) What I really meant was not to go by what's in a 'book', but what's in 'your' heart and this is where meditation or deep contemplation [as the Christians call it] comes into play...

::) No doubt there're underlined problems the poor woman is facing in everyday life, possibly having to run the gauntlet of ridicule and rejection that many trans-people face in society...Judging by her behaviour pattern this seems to be the case ...

::) She may have many issues she's yet to resolve ...If you can find out what it is that's really bothering her, this will go a long way in helping to resolve the other issues surrounding the church...Does she suffer from depression ? Does she need psychiatric help ? More counselling perhaps ? In other words do you think her behaviour is 'normal' ?

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Inwood

Thank you for helping me work this out, Zenda.

Diana is depressed and isolated, and because she is unemployed I suspect her access to mental health care is very limited (thanks to the U.S. health system--sigh).

I think her behavior perfectly normal--for a girl in the throes of adolescence. Which in a real way she is. She is trying to figure out who she is, how to make her way in the world, how to build an identity, and so on. There isn't a human being alive who does that perfectly or in a short period of time. I don't think there was ever an adolescent who didn't cause adults around them to pull their hair out in frustration.

One of the problems is that Diana's struggle involves unlearning a few decades of behavior. Another is that the people around her can hang tight through a teenager's antics, because everyone knows they will end. It isn't that clear with the same behavior coming from a late 40-or 50-year old person.

And, "normal" behavior <> "acceptable" behavior. Parents of adolescents have the task of conveying how to live in society and balance individual needs and desires against those of the community. Diana doesn't have parents to do that, and it is frustrating for her church siblings to find ourselves in that position. There are increasing mutterings that "Diana doesn't want to belong--she wants only to use worship as her personal drag show." That's not a good sign, and this is coming from people who have spent a lot of time and energy actively welcoming Diana and inviting her personally to every activity in the place.

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Anatta

Kia Ora Inwood,

::) You might want to ask her what is it she wants 'from' the church and what is she's prepared 'to give' back to the church [time and effort wise]...

::) It looks like you have done your best for her and perhaps it's time to bring out the big guns and put her 'straight' so to speak...Let her know that her behaviour is making some of the other members a little uncomfortable and possibly a little resentful as well...Give some examples and then ask her how she would feel if others were doing similar things...

::) I'm not too familiar with how things are run in churches, however you could also take this approach and pick a topic for a sermon that will hit home with the congregation including her, something about commitment, sharing the load, I'm sure the bible's got something a long those lines[most holy books have]...

::) I can only wish you and Diana well. and for you to put your faith in human nature [as well as faith in your god]... 

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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ToriJo

When I read it, I kept looking for the part that is specifically related to gender.  I didn't see anything in there about that.  To me, I would say, "How would you handle it if any other woman, with a difficult set of life circumstances, did the same behaviors?"  That's how you should handle it here.  Whether she is trans shouldn't matter.

I would seek guidance from others in the organization, maybe not directly involved, and leave the trans issue out of it - unless it's actually relevant for some reason I missed.  I'd just say that the woman has a difficult life and has trouble accepting the correction and help that you feel she needs.  And I'd look at how well I personally was following Christ (not saying you are or aren't following Christ - that's between you and God, and I don't have enough information to know - so please don't take it as criticism directed at you, because it's not!).

One thing I've done in the secular way with an employee who felt they should get a promotion, but wasn't ready for the promotion, was to come up with a plan so that they could see that I was willing to help them get there, but that measurable, concrete things needed to happen (that were not impossible to achieve either, but were also not lowering the standards required for the promotion), and periodically reviewing it.  Let her know you want to see her be the worship leader too, so you want to help her get there, but it's a little more involved than just letting her do it!

Basically I would integrate a trans-person in the same way as anyone else (generally, unless the trans person is asking for special treatment or the congregation/leaders are not treating the person fairly, the best way to interact is to just accept the person as the man or woman they are - not as a transman or transwoman; of course different people might require different things, such as someone who wants to be seen as trans).  And if you know you are treating her fairly, I would trust yourself (obviously listen to anything she might need to say to you if she doesn't feel the same way).
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Inwood

Thanks, Slanan.

I did try in my conversation pre-Christmas to lay out the kind of plan of action you very wisely suggest.

I had told Diana about teamwork--and on Christmas, she bailed out while people were asking for help.

I had told Diana about responsibility--and she missed the required pre-service rehearsal.

I had described sharing responsibilities and perks--and she made backbiting comments about people who got to do what she'd wanted.

This is not shaping up well <sigh>.

Last year, when a set of behaviors like this cropped up, I told her, "It is absolutely okay to ask, 'Is such-and-such a situation happening because I'm trans?' However--you also have to ask, 'Is such-and-such happening because other people have needs I might not be aware of?'" There has been _zero_ evidence of that kind of awareness. Now, I get it that when people are depressed, a kind of tunnel vision develops that makes it very hard to empathize. (I was once in a hospital for a week and a half for clinical depression, after 9/11, so I have been there.)

If Diana were not trans, there would have been some very astringent conversations long before this. This is a community where people really do hold each other accountable--and I've been on the receiving end of appropriate criticism and made amends and changes when necessary. Nobody's perfect, and everybody needs feedback to improve in whatever they do.

People want to be sensitive and inclusive and welcoming, but at this point it feels like it's "I want what I want when I want it and if you don't give it to me, you're not being welcoming." 

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Annah

I served as a Rector in an Espicopal Church for sometime so I may have some input in this matter.

When it comes to lay leadership, I always make sure that member fully is aware of the requirements that is needed in order to fulfill those responsibilities.

When a lay leader "picks and chooses" what he or she wants and then avoid other forms of worship, I usually reiterate the "policy" I have and that the consistory wrote. It is usually a warning sign because it may invoke a sense that the member's only reason to participate in one function and not willing to help out with the other functions is not conduscant to a servant style mentality.

We had a youth pastor who did similiar things she did. He wanted to do "the cool stuff" but when it came to the menial things, he would bolt out of the church as well. And he certainly never participated in anything in which his hands may have gotten dirty through labor.

If I were you, write a list of her offenses and give them to the consistory and to your rector. The next step is to have your rector talk to her. If she doesn't change then her time doing lay leadership duties may come to an end until she becomes more responsible.

As a transgender pastor myself, I expect no favors. I do not want to be treated differently from other people. If she uses the excuse that she is being treated unfairly then what she is doing is unfair to you. She is essentially "playing the race card" with a twist.

I implore you to take this to your rector. She needs a good bit of advice from the next level up.

Good luck.

If you need to talk with me more in detail pm me and Ill give you my email address.

PS I dont buy the adolescence behavior with her because she has just started to transition (if she is using that as an excuse). I transitioned two years ago and I don't act like an irresponsible teenager. If she is in her 50s, she knows better..despite how early her transition is.
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Inwood

Thanks, Annah and all.

Yes, the rector is aware of the situation. Apparently Diana applied for a job at the parish, which is a total no-no for _any_ parishioner. No sane rector or other clergy-in-charge want to deal with the potential for conflicts of interest, and potential for major pastoral fallout if the applicant doesn't work out. So, Diana isn't speaking to the rector--and is therefore working with an associate priest, who is (hallelujah!) a licensed social worker as well. He and I have agreed that I am not going to engage Diana any more except face to face, with reality testing where I have actual facts and behavior I have observed. I am really tired of being the only "good" person. (My girlfriend is totally disgusted, and thinks I have been way too nice.)

My email listing, "This is what you were expected to do / This is what you did" was met with her life story of everything bad that has ever happened to her, along with passive-aggressive shots at the church as a whole ("A church is a house of worship, and I shouldn't expect anything from it.") No, it's a community where everyone is expected to contribute as well as receive. After a couple of years of not expecting anything from someone obviously in pain, some of us are starting to feel like we've been used.

Diana said, "You are one of the few people who come to the few transgender events the parish sponsors."

Um, yeah--that would include the Transgender Day of Remembrance, which _she_ didn't show up for, but several other parishioners--including non-LGBT people and clergy--did.  (She also missed the terrific sermon on the transgender nature of God, based on "male and female God created them," because she didn't show up that Sunday.)

It would include the talk by a transwoman who is a highly placed elected official in her geographic area of the church--where Diana tried to manipulate the conversation into "isn't the church mean to me". The speaker is very talented, and she didn't take the bait.

At the same time Diana says "the church doesn't do anything for me," she has ignored repeated face-to-face invitations to join the parish LGBT life committee that sets up programming; she is an irregular volunteeer at LGBT community outreach programs; and has been quietly treated to a few informal lunches and dinners people can get her to come to. Diana says that she is the only trans person in the parish--but doesn't make any effort to invite anyone to church. (So, if you are one person in a 400+ person parish, exactly how much programming and attention can the rest of the community afford to give you??)

Mary
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mixie


I don't think it has anything to do really with religion.  It's just that when you make a commitment you should keep it.  Easier said than done.

I would ask what her goal is,  why does she want to do the things she's done already?

Anyone who has ever worked with volunteers or even parents wanting to help in a classroom knows that the number one thing you need to get from the candidate is a time commitment because most people are not really serious when it comes to long term commitment.

It might be helpful to break her commitment down into "semesters' or several weeks instead of such a long term commitment.   
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tekla

At some point, isn't having a bunch of 'diminished expectations' based on a person's status/race/color/creed/gender/sexual preference or any of that just as bad (if not worse because it's so invidious) as discriminating against them?

I understand making allowances (because there are tolerances built into everything, or there should be) based on reality.  So, for example, I don't expect the women/females/girls I put on the crew to lift as much weight as the biker guy on our crew (who is there because he can lift more than the rest of us).  But I do expect them to work as hard, sweat as much, and stink at the end just as bad as the guys do.  I don't see where this person is being held to a lesser standard than any other church member would be.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Annah

Hi Inwood

Sorry to hear that Diana will not talk to the rector. If she will not talk to her simply because she would not give her a job out of a conflict of interest then I think she made the right decision in not hiring her.

I have worked for four denominations and to get a job in a church you cannot be a member there. I am not a member of the church I work for. Heck, retired pastors are strongly encouraged to go to church elsewhere once they leave because of a conflict of interests.

She sounds like someone who craves attention through negative discourse. I am sorry you are going through this. Those are members that pastors will say to each other "well, if she leaves our church we wont exactly be begging for her to stay."

Your church sounds like they have done everything in their power to please this person. I think a good "tough love" conversation with her and the consistory may be in order.
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Inwood

Thank you all so much!

I feel a lot better about how we have been trying to work with Diana, now.


(oh, the rector is a female, btw...)

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Annah

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Anatta

Kia Ora Inwood,

::) It looks like it's in 'god's ' hands now ! No pun intended.....

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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