Andro transmen? Possible?

[GentlemanRDP]

Well, considering the spectrum of different personalities, I guess that this question or idea isn't too ridiculous, right?
At least, I hope it's not.

So...the term Androgynous seems to have a few different definitions floating around it;
Ranging from 'Identifying, feeling, and acting between female and male,'
To 'Having both male and female characteristics,'
To 'Having an ambiguous sexual identity,'
To several others that I've stumbled across.

That being said, I can go ahead and describe my feelings.

So, needless as it should be for me to say, I'll say it anyway.
I'm an FtM, and I've been identifying as such for nearly two years.
I'm over eight months on T, but...I've been struggling lately.
Maybe I'm just reaching for the moon and falling short,
But I'm sick of being considered a female, even at this point.
It seems like there are so many other transmen who are passing as men who haven't been on T as long as I have.
Mind you, I'm not a very masculine sort of man, and I'd say, that I'm more of one of those...
Softer and more artistic kind. But when I look into the mirror, I see a man,
And I'm frustrated that others don't.

People tend to say that I'm more of a butch lesbian than anything,
And that just pisses me off, I've been tempted to tell them that I'm an androgynous transman,
Because that feels a hell of a lot better than being called a dyke.
But, I've held back from saying that because I guess that I don't want to be 'wrong,'
And have them be all, "BULL->-bleeped-<-, You can't be andro AND trans!"

._.; So...does saying that make me sound like an idiot, or just weird and confusing?

[supremecatoverlord]

Look at my high school pictures I posted in "Do I Pass" the other day.
This used to be the story of my life
'Except I have really masculine demeanor. I don't know about you, but that's always helped me pass and convince people I wanted to date that I indeed was a dude and there was little they could say that would change that.
Certainly you can be an androgynous male if that's what you want; I honestly recommend that you stay true to yourself and only change if one day you realize you're not the type of guy you though you were, not for other people & not for the sake of passing.
  Passing also has a lot to do with confidence and if you're afraid of not passing, people are probably going to scrutinize you in ways you'd rather not be. For instance, if you're a tad for metrosexual, don't be ashamed of it. You should be able to say, "I love art! I'm a bit of a metrosexual guy and that's okay! There are other guys out there like me out there, and I'm happy with who I am  - and that's what matters...




YEAH!"

[wheat thins are delicious]

Being androgynous, to me it means a way of styling your looks, clothes and hair.  Not to say identifying as androgyne is invalid but they are not the same thing. 

So yes, you can be a trans man and be androgynous.

[Natkat]

I would say I am pretty andro myself, I am pretty femenine, not extremly femenine but femenine compared to other guys.
my look are also pretty androgyne,
and my clothes are both maculine and femenine.

people saying you cant be andro ftm dosent know anything about being trans.

[Bishounen]

Well, considering the spectrum of different personalities, I guess that this question or idea isn't too ridiculous, right?
At least, I hope it's not.

So...the term Androgynous seems to have a few different definitions floating around it;
Ranging from 'Identifying, feeling, and acting between female and male,'
To 'Having both male and female characteristics,'
To 'Having an ambiguous sexual identity,'
To several others that I've stumbled across.

That being said, I can go ahead and describe my feelings.

So, needless as it should be for me to say, I'll say it anyway.
I'm an FtM, and I've been identifying as such for nearly two years.
I'm over eight months on T, but...I've been struggling lately.
Maybe I'm just reaching for the moon and falling short,
But I'm sick of being considered a female, even at this point.
It seems like there are so many other transmen who are passing as men who haven't been on T as long as I have.
Mind you, I'm not a very masculine sort of man, and I'd say, that I'm more of one of those...
Softer and more artistic kind. But when I look into the mirror, I see a man,
And I'm frustrated that others don't.

People tend to say that I'm more of a butch lesbian than anything,
And that just pisses me off, I've been tempted to tell them that I'm an androgynous transman,
Because that feels a hell of a lot better than being called a dyke.
But, I've held back from saying that because I guess that I don't want to be 'wrong,'
And have them be all, "BULL->-bleeped-<-, You can't be andro AND trans!"

._.; So...does saying that make me sound like an idiot, or just weird and confusing?

I get the impression that you might already know "what" you are and how you Gender Identity looks like, but is confused by perhaps not being sure how to describe it accuratly.

But, ofcourse you can be an androgyne Transguy. If a guy can be androgyne, then why wouldn't a T-guy be able to, aswell.*Shrugs*
There is ofcourse also a possibility that you are an masculine-leaning Androgyne, or Intergender, or Genderqueer- those comes in several versions and variants aswell.
Labels, labels labels. 


And no, it does in no way whatsoever make you seem like an idiot, rather the contrary.

[Nygeel]

13 months for me and still in the same spot as when I first started my transition.

I feel like you can identify as genderqueer/androgyne but also identify your body as male (if that makes sense). Which in some ways would make sense with how you feel. Or you can identify as androgynous and be a man. Doesn't sound weird or confusing to me.

[caseyyy]

13 months for me and still in the same spot as when I first started my transition.

I feel like you can identify as genderqueer/androgyne but also identify your body as male (if that makes sense). Which in some ways would make sense with how you feel. Or you can identify as androgynous and be a man. Doesn't sound weird or confusing to me.

I think we have a "sexed" identity in addition to a gender identity. And then there is gender expression, which is unrelated to both.

So my "sexed" identity would be male - I want to be male-sexed
My gender identity is androgyne, as I don't identify with the 'essential' qualities (beyond external presentation) that supposedly make one a man or a woman
My gender expression is neutral; I like things coded both 'masculine' and 'feminine'

[Nygeel]

I think we have a "sexed" identity in addition to a gender identity. And then there is gender expression, which is unrelated to both.

So my "sexed" identity would be male - I want to be male-sexed
My gender identity is androgyne, as I don't identify with the 'essential' qualities (beyond external presentation) that supposedly make one a man or a woman
My gender expression is neutral; I like things coded both 'masculine' and 'feminine'

Well, the way I break it down is sex assignment, sex identity, gender assignment, gender identity. Gender expression is totally in it's own little island somewhere.

I feel like the language of (example from the wiki page): Cisgender is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a type of gender identity formed by a match between an individual's biological sex and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.

is incorrect as says a gender can be an opposite of a sex...which it can't since they're not directly related.

ALSO! There needs to be room for the term "sexqueer" which is identifying your physical self as neither male nor female.


But this is going off topic....so I'm dropping it.

[AndrewL]

Nygeel I use the term gynandrmorph to describe my proper sex & my sex identity. It has a similar meaning to your sexqueer, but rather than being "neither male or female" it literally means a form of a species that has male and female characteristics. I borrowed it from lepidopterology after a few months of identifying as androgyny/intersex.  My assigned sex & gender were female. My gender identity and expression are male.

To the OP: Of course you can be a transguy and androgen, anyone who says otherwise hasn't considered the wide variety of identities out there and how different spectrums of sex/gender can interact.

[Joeyboo~ :3]

Androgynous turtles.
It's very possible

[insideontheoutside]

I am definitely androgynous ... in almost everything really except for most of my brain (which I've always identified as male).

I think guys that don't have facial hair (or noticeable stubble) or have "styled" or longer hair tend to get called female more. For me, I only get stubble under my chin and the very edges of my chin so no one ever notices. And I also like having my hair a little longer. So double whammy for me. But I'm also not trying to "pass" in my daily life either. I'm ok with that. So I think that even if I was someone who was transitioning I'd probably still be ok with it. I can however see your point of it being annoying. I am also annoyed sometimes when someone calls me female even though I'm completely dressed in male clothing, have male mannerisms, etc. Also, I find that being short doesn't help. I see plenty of other guys who are as short as me, but they have all the secondary male sex characteristics I don't have.