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Started by Guantanamera, December 10, 2011, 08:45:56 PM

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tekla

Show me the numbers of the new LGBT, Black, Hispanic and other voters that are surging to the Republicans?  How about some welcoming, inclusive kinds of quotes from any of the front runners?  And I'm still waiting for some sort of spin on how decidedly (we're talking double digits here) lower turnout is actually a sign of emerging Republican strength.
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Jamie D

Quote from: tekla on February 14, 2012, 04:30:26 PM
Show me the numbers of the new LGBT, Black, Hispanic and other voters that are surging to the Republicans?  How about some welcoming, inclusive kinds of quotes from any of the front runners?  And I'm still waiting for some sort of spin on how decidedly (we're talking double digits here) lower turnout is actually a sign of emerging Republican strength.


I'm not the least bit worried about turnout in the early primaries, straw votes, and caucuses.  Once the opposition settles on their candidate, we'll see who has depressed turnout.  I believe the 2010 model will hold.
   
First Hispanic female governor?  Susana Martinez of New Mexico - Republican
Most recently elected Hispanic Senator - Marco Rubio of Florida - Republican
Governor of Puerto Rico? Luis Fortuno, New Progressive Party of PR (caucused with Republicans when in Congress)

Tea Party Republicans elected in 2010 include:
Col. Allen West of Florida
Tim Scott of South Carolina

Both African-Americans

Self-described "Republitarian" Larry Elder - one of the most popular talk radio hosts.  Black from South-central L.A.

The times, they are a-changing
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tekla

No, they aren't.  They've already changed, the only question is who gets it, and who is left behind.


But hey:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57377720-503544/poll-obama-holds-edge-over-gop-hopefuls/

keep up the good work, the Republican base is quickly becoming the most valuable players on the Obama re-election team.

And that whole - ban contraceptive thing?  Brilliance beyond compare - that's the issue you need to keep on hammering on.  Sure fire vote-getter with younger women.  You know if you nominate Santorum the current polls have you losing all 50 (or 57) states.  That will be a new record. 
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Jamie D

Quote from: tekla on February 14, 2012, 11:26:18 PM
No, they aren't.  They've already changed, the only question is who gets it, and who is left behind.


But hey:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57377720-503544/poll-obama-holds-edge-over-gop-hopefuls/

keep up the good work, the Republican base is quickly becoming the most valuable players on the Obama re-election team.

And that whole - ban contraceptive thing?  Brilliance beyond compare - that's the issue you need to keep on hammering on.  Sure fire vote-getter with younger women.  You know if you nominate Santorum the current polls have you losing all 50 (or 57) states.  That will be a new record.

There was no ban!  Only the most feeble-minded would see it that way; I mean to say, hard core Democrats.  ;)
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Jam

I don't vote, they all lie. It should be illegal for them to make promises they know they can't keep.
If there was an option for the Queen to take over I'd choose that. Somehow I just think she'd rule the country for us and not for her wallet or her upper-class friends.
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tekla

Only the most feeble-minded would see it that way; I mean to say, hard core Democrats.
And the only group dumber than the Democrats, your candidates (except Ron Paul).


Somehow I just think she'd rule the country for us and not for her wallet or her upper-class friends.
Based on prior experience?
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justmeinoz

You can't turn on the TV or radio news here without a story on the Republican Primaries,  and in depth analysis by local political commentators.  Quite Bizarre really. 
Have any Americans got an opinion on whether Lara Giddings should kick the Greens out of her State Cabinet over their attitude to the Pulp Mill? That's about how interested I am in it!
( We currently have a female PM, two female State Premiers, and a female Governor General by the way.)

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

Well it's kind of interesting, like watching a snake eat its' own tail.  And it is a system that has managed to evolve into a kind of Byzantium via Ringling Brothers.  And if you were thinking that it's a lot like letting Alice Springs and Broome have an election and on the basis of the votes in those two places make a determination as to who was going to run in the national election you'd be right.  Hell none of 4 largest, most powerful and most influential states (Illinois, home to Chicago / New York / Texas and California) have even had their primary yet.  And you have two candidates (Santorum and Newt) who are backed by a single person in each case + Romney who's backed by 99% of the 1% and they seem to be splitting the entire mess down into very sloppy thirds with lots of bitterness and namecalling which hurts when they get to the general election.  And they are running to run against someone that really isn't even running yet, Obama.  And they are trying to get the most extreme right wing vote when everyone who looks at it knows those are not the votes you need to win the general.

> note: It looks in poll after poll, in all of them, over the last 4 years that: Republican guy =40% of the vote no matter what, Obama = 40% no matter what, and it's going to be all about getting more than half of that remaining 20%.  And that 20% is primarily people who are not represented by either party, and they are mostly financially conservative but socially liberal, while the 'Pubs are conservative in both, and the Dems' liberal in both (no one would say they are financially liberal and socially conservative but they do exist on the far end of right wing of the Republican clan).

And because the Dems don't have to do a primary deal (no one is challenging Obama) all the focus is on the Republicans who are really the Not-Ready-For-Prime-Time-Players.  And it's a lukewarm compromise at best.  Romney represents that old guard faction of the party that's all about huge amounts of money and commerce, but he has the personal charisma of a speed bump and the same deft hand at the common touch as Marie Antoinette.  The two wing-nut factions - Tea Party and Fundamentalist Xian Evangelical Born-Agains - didn't get who they really wanted, which was St. Sara.  (for whatever reason, there can be little doubt now that had she run she would already have the nomination locked down) so they have to watch two truly creepy people fight it out and that's' dragging them very far to the right, and Mitt with them, and they are about to plunge into the abyss.  If they haven't already.

The last two weeks with the talk turning to sex, women, reproduction and all that has really set them off. 

But it is the entertainment branch of American Industry, and are you not entertained?
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gennee

Been voting since '68. Am an independent but have crossed party lines.
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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Shang

I registered last year to vote. :)  I don't vote in MS elections and I'm thinking about abstaining from voting in the national election this year due to disliking all of the candidates. 

I am "independent" in my political views because I find the two-party system to be silly and because a lot of people only vote for someone based off of the party that person's in instead off of what that person can actually offer.
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Nathan.

I vote and probably always will. I voted lib dem last time, I won't be doing that again in a hurry.
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dalebert

Accusations of fraud again by Ron Paul folks. It sounds like there was massive turnout of Ron Paul supporters at this particular Missouri caucus and the claims are the the rules of order were not followed. I'm not familiar so I can't tell. Recording devices were banned on the threat of trespassing charges but someone snuck audio.



And then outside, they tried to have a caucus per the "proper rules" *shrug*. Again, I don't know, but someone was arrested for trespassing the entire crowd boos. All I do know is that lots of people are getting disillusioned with the system which I tend to think of as them waking up from the slumber that the folks in power would like them to stay in. The more I witness, the more I am convinced that elections are just a ritual to make the peasants feel like we have some say when we really don't.



A friend of mine just encouraged me to watch Dune. There is a lot of parody of political shams. The Harkonen bothers include the ugly, brutish, clearly evil brother who is meant to set the stage for the more comely and charismatic brother, not nearly as clearly evil, meant to swoop in like a hero and save the peasants. This how I see the two parties. Lately the Republican party seems to have taken on the role of the brutish and clearly evil brother so that the attractive and charismatic Obama seems rosy by comparison. The reality is they're all awful.

Giant douche or turd sandwich. Take your pick. There, we gave you a vote, a say in your own exploitation. Now you can't complain, so just shut up and obey.

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Shang

Quote from: Laura91 on March 18, 2012, 03:21:44 PM
Exactly! It is 'the illusion of choice'.

I have to agree with you and the quote you quoted.

My state is not a swing state so my vote doesn't count.  My state is almost only Republican and Santorum won my state last week.
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chefskenzie

I vote!  It seems like a never ending thing in the South, but it is what it is!
Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart.  Kahlil Gibran



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cradle_o

Quote from: VeryGnawty on December 11, 2011, 11:58:34 AM
I don't vote.  For my reasoning why I don't vote, please refer to:  George Carlin
that will be Mr Carlin's reasoning, in fact. Can you put it in your own words at all?  8)
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Felix

I think voting is important.

Also I may have already said it but I think I would have voted for Gingrich if he was the GOP nominee and seemed serious about funding the space program. He can be sinister in a hundred other ways. I'm heartbroken that we've mostly given up on space exploration.
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Joelene9

Quote from: Felix on April 04, 2012, 10:28:45 PM
I think voting is important.

Also I may have already said it but I think I would have voted for Gingrich if he was the GOP nominee and seemed serious about funding the space program. He can be sinister in a hundred other ways. I'm heartbroken that we've mostly given up on space exploration.
I think so too.  I'm a supporter of human space exploration.  I was raised on the saying "If you don't vote, don't complain!".   
  Joelene
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tekla

I don't think that space exploration is over, it's just that the manned missions were way too hard and costly for little gain.  Real rocket scientists never wanted human exploration in the first place, unmanned missions were far more cost effect and required far less oversight. 
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Jamie D

Quote from: tekla on April 05, 2012, 01:40:59 AM
I don't think that space exploration is over, it's just that the manned missions were way too hard and costly for little gain.  Real rocket scientists never wanted human exploration in the first place, unmanned missions were far more cost effective and required far less oversight.

Three words:

Mars Climate Orbiter
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