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Liberty Counsel eagerly smearing transgender community and Macy's with lies

Started by Shana A, December 13, 2011, 08:08:12 PM

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Shana A

Tuesday, December 13, 2011
Liberty Counsel eagerly smearing transgender community and Macy's with lies
By: Alvin McEwen

http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/2011/12/liberty-counsel-eagerly-smearing.html

also at http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2011/12/14/liberty-counsel-eagerly-smearing-transgender-community-and-macys-with-lies/

With the recent case of the former Macy's employee, Natalie Johnson, who was fired because she harassed a transgender customer, the right wing group, the Liberty Counsel, is acting as if it won the lottery.

The organization has been on a massive press tour pushing their version of the story.

The young lady was fired because she violated the store policy which allows the transgender community to use whichever changing room they see fit. She took it upon herself to accost a transgender teen who was coming from one of the changing rooms. The teen and her friends complained and when informed of the policy, the young lady said she would not follow it.

That is why she was fired. She is presently suing - via the Liberty Counsel - claiming that her religious beliefs were violated.
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Kreuzfidel

I hope whatever judge gets this case looks at this person's BS case of "religious violation" and laughs.  If this person actually wins, it's a huge step backwards for civil rights.  I wonder how serious they'd be taken if the words "African American" were substituted for transgender?  If it's not ok to claim that one's religious beliefs caused them to violate another's rights based on race, it shouldn't be ok for them to violate a person's rights based on perception of gender.
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tekla

Some places just aren't ready to have a Macy's yet.  This is why you can't have nice things.  Back to Sears with you.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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~RoadToTrista~

Idk.... I mean this dumb hoe aside, it's not a good idea to let just anyone in.
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lilacwoman

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SandraJane

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 14, 2011, 12:21:29 AM
Idk.... I mean this dumb hoe aside, it's not a good idea to let just anyone in.

Dumb Hoe...what if it were you? And how do you define "just anybody"?

And keep in mind that this situation may be more than it appears, it could have been a staged incident. Its been done before.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,112120.0.html   Reply #2


Quote from: tekla on December 14, 2011, 12:09:24 AM
Some places just aren't ready to have a Macy's yet.  This is why you can't have nice things.  Back to Sears with you.

What about JC Penny's?

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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: SandraJane on December 14, 2011, 05:17:05 AM
Dumb Hoe...what if it were you? And how do you define "just anybody"?

And keep in mind that this situation may be more than it appears, it could have been a staged incident. Its been done before.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,112120.0.html   Reply #2


What about JC Penny's?

"Dumb hoe" refers to the store clerk that was fired. Anyways I understand and I'm not really speaking specifically to this, but I also understand that there has to be a line somewhere. The quote "any sexual predator can put on lipstick and use a woman's facilities" is true.
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tekla

I was just in Macy's SF Flagship last night attempting to desensitize myself to jewelry prices (I have to do this every December, it comes with having a Latino GF).  They have an absolutely mind-blowing amount of material stuff they have piled up on 7 floors, 90% open and out so people can inspect and touch, and fondle and all that.  You have at least a billion dollars in inventory sitting there in that one store. (and that's minus the men's department and furniture departments which are in entirely different buildings)  But do you know what else they have?  An internal security system good enough to rival any Vegas casino to watch over that billion dollar inventory (and the cash flow too), that's what else they have.  And here is something else Macy's has... because it's not some low-price, big box store where you can't find someone to help you without going on a Frodo style quest - since it's Macy's, your going to be falling over sales associates everywhere you go, turn around, one is standing there.

And, while such things don't make it impossible for predators to prey, it sure must discourage them, because I don't hear about many women/children getting attacked in Macy's dressing rooms - or in the cosmetics, perfume, kitchen, and luggage departments either.

And Macys' (because their primarily income derives from New York, New England and California) has some of the most liberal policies and practices.  I remember Macy's as being one of the first places that hired gay boys and TS women to work cosmetics.  It's one of the most progressive corporations around (as I noted, that's for financial reasons, not necessary out of good will).  I know this goes against the company policy big time, which is: as they are selling dresses for $70-500+ a pop, Macy's is happy to sell dresses to anyone.  Macy's will happily sell anything, and everything, in that store to absolutely anyone who can pay for it, and if you don't have the full amount right now they'll help you set up a credit account with them to stretch the payments out.  That's Macy's policy.

You know, we do know where child molesters hang out.  It's in churches.  It's in schools.  It's in youth groups like the Boy/Girl Scouts, Little League and youth football programs in Pennsylvania.  It's not in the women's department at Macy's.  The fear is irrational, and not supported by any facts at all.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cynthialee

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 14, 2011, 06:13:56 AM
"Dumb hoe" refers to the store clerk that was fired. Anyways I understand and I'm not really speaking specifically to this, but I also understand that there has to be a line somewhere. The quote "any sexual predator can put on lipstick and use a woman's facilities" is true.
If that is the case, then care to provide some proff to back that up?

I have only heard of 1 guy pulling a stunt like this....and he turned out to be a planted agent of a religous group.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Rain Dog

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 14, 2011, 06:13:56 AM
"Dumb hoe" refers to the store clerk that was fired. Anyways I understand and I'm not really speaking specifically to this, but I also understand that there has to be a line somewhere. The quote "any sexual predator can put on lipstick and use a woman's facilities" is true.
Not sure what the predator is doing all alone behind a curtain, though.
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SandraJane

Quote from: tekla on December 14, 2011, 08:28:53 AM

And Macys' (because their primarily income derives from New York, New England and California) has some of the most liberal policies and practices.  I remember Macy's as being one of the first places that hired gay boys and TS women to work cosmetics.  It's one of the most progressive corporations around (as I noted, that's for financial reasons, not necessary out of good will).  I know this goes against the company policy big time, which is: as they are selling dresses for $70-500+ a pop, Macy's is happy to sell dresses to anyone.  Macy's will happily sell anything, and everything, in that store to absolutely anyone who can pay for it, and if you don't have the full amount right now they'll help you set up a credit account with them to stretch the payments out.  That's Macy's policy.


Good point, Neiman-Marcus used to discriminate against anyone that didn't dress to the salesperson's standard's...until they snubbed an Oil Rich Rancher in Texas as the story goes, then the policy changed. Same fear tactics, pervert dressed as a Woman...

Sorry Trista, was trying to figure out the Dumb...

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lilacwoman

Pervert dressed as woman? That DAMN PSYCHO film!   We need to spit on Hitchcock's grave.    :D
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supremecatoverlord

How does being transphobic have anything to do with religion?
Or who uses a changing room for that matter...

Um.
I'm pretty sure religious texts say absolutely nothing about either of those things.
Meow.



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SandraJane

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 16, 2011, 11:56:49 AM
Pervert dressed as woman? That DAMN PSYCHO film!   We need to spit on Hitchcock's grave.    :D

Hitchcock did start something didn't he...but what does Mother have to say about it.... :laugh:

Why Norman Bates would'nt hurt a fly




Quote from: JasonRX on December 16, 2011, 12:06:25 PM
How does being transphobic have anything to do with religion?
Or who uses a changing room for that matter...

Um.
I'm pretty sure religious texts say absolutely nothing about either of those things.

Yes and No...Eunuchs, the Old Testament and people that are ignorant and fearful of change and truth. Twist it around enough and it suit ones needs...
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Tammy Hope

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 14, 2011, 06:13:56 AM
"Dumb hoe" refers to the store clerk that was fired. Anyways I understand and I'm not really speaking specifically to this, but I also understand that there has to be a line somewhere. The quote "any sexual predator can put on lipstick and use a woman's facilities" is true.

that's kinda nonsense.

if that were true, why hasn't it been happening all over the place? Macy's is not the only store with this policy, and it's not new.

More to the point, if you are a sexual predator and you want to get away with your attack, you don't perpetrate it in the most highly surveillanced location this side of an army base.

also worth noting, there are in fact gay sexual predators, and/or predators who are male and prey on male children  and these individuals can enter private ares where theoretically young boys are changing now without going to the trouble of some disguise....and yet we have exactly zero reports of such attacks happening.

Please don't buy into the scare tactics.
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