Following lesbian news, shows, etc

[Nygeel]

->-bleeped-<- Mich Fest and trans misogynist bull sh*t.

[Epi]

->-bleeped-<- Mich Fest and trans misogynist bull sh*t.

Some people would agree with you, some would disagree.  But I do believe you are above this petty comment and have just made it out of anger towards what you see as inequalities.

Now, I'm quite curious and must ask, do you think the Mich. Fest needs more specific/rigid guidelines or a more liberal attendee policy?  What would you do differently Nygeel?

[Nygeel]

Some people would agree with you, some would disagree.  But I do believe you are above this petty comment and have just made it out of anger towards what you see as inequalities.

Now, I'm quite curious and must ask, do you think the Mich. Fest needs more specific/rigid guidelines or a more liberal attendee policy?  What would you do differently Nygeel?

I would end it. There have been trans women outed, and overall treated like crap by cis women. It's a horrible event.

[Epi]

I would end it. There have been trans women outed, and overall treated like crap by cis women. It's a horrible event.

I'm aware of the festivals history and past issues.  In a lot of situations while something maybe have some negatives to it, sometimes the positives so greatly outweigh the negatives that most people are willing to overlook that.  (Examples: Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Salvation Army)

What would you replace it with Nygeel?  An event open to all people featuring LGBT artists or ...?  It'd be a pity to be -1 for LGBT events, even if it wasn't that great of an event to start with.  While the directors may be prejudice it doesn't necessarily imply that the attendees share that sentiment.

[Nygeel]

I'm aware of the festivals history and past issues.  In a lot of situations while something maybe have some negatives to it, sometimes the positives so greatly outweigh the negatives that most people are willing to overlook that.  (Examples: Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Salvation Army)

What would you replace it with Nygeel?  An event open to all people featuring LGBT artists or ...?  It'd be a pity to be -1 for LGBT events, even if it wasn't that great of an event to start with.  While the directors may be prejudice it doesn't necessarily imply that the attendees share that sentiment.

Salvation Army says gays should be celibate, girl scouts has accepted trans girls. There's been a whole lot of negatives and violence against trans women due to Mich fest.

It isn't an LGBT event. It's a trans misogynistic, cissexist event that claims to be feminist but isn't for all women. It serves cis lesbians MAYBE. The attendees have been a-holes. There have been websites with names, pictures, and other information about trans women who have attended. Not. Cool.

[Epi]

Salvation Army says gays should be celibate, girl scouts has accepted trans girls. There's been a whole lot of negatives and violence against trans women due to Mich fest.

It isn't an LGBT event. It's a trans misogynistic, cissexist event that claims to be feminist but isn't for all women. It serves cis lesbians MAYBE. The attendees have been a-holes. There have been websites with names, pictures, and other information about trans women who have attended. Not. Cool.

So you would replace it with absolutely nothing?  You have very strong opinions about this event.  Did you attend one year and experience any discrimination?

[Nygeel]

So you would replace it with absolutely nothing?  You have very strong opinions about this event.  Did you attend one year and experience any discrimination?

I was forced to attend a fund raising event for them, and think trans misogyny is unacceptable.

[Kreuzfidel]

Pertaining to the OP, I have never identified as a lesbian nor participated in the lesbian community, so I don't follow events specific to lesbians per se.  However I am invested in GLBTTIQ rights and news and I identify as a heterosexual man - does that then make me gay, bi, lesbian, etc?  As has already been said, you can be trans and still be invested in lesbian news and events.

[Epi]

I was forced to attend a fund raising event for them, and think trans misogyny is unacceptable.

I believe the consensus on the forums is that any type of misogyny or prejudice is unacceptable.  But if given the opportunity to cancel the festival and start a different one, what would you do? 

Completely ridding of something without offering an acceptable substitute doesn't seem to be more or less positive and/or negative when weighing in all the factors than if it would remain.  There aren't many venues featuring female artists at such a large scale, removing that would in an essence keep most of them performing small shows at bars and dance halls, less accessible to the public at large.  But please don't take this as if I'm disagreeing with your opinion of the Mich. Festival (there's no denying the misogyny), I just think the main premise of having a festival for female artists shouldn't be completely tossed aside because of poor management; the ones who "dictate" what "type" of individual may attend and who may not.

I mean really, where will Le Tigre play?   

[Nygeel]

I believe the consensus on the forums is that any type of misogyny or prejudice is unacceptable.  But if given the opportunity to cancel the festival and start a different one, what would you do? 

Completely ridding of something without offering an acceptable substitute doesn't seem to be more or less positive and/or negative when weighing in all the factors than if it would remain.  There aren't many venues featuring female artists at such a large scale, removing that would in an essence keep most of them performing small shows at bars and dance halls, less accessible to the public at large.  But please don't take this as if I'm disagreeing with your opinion of the Mich. Festival (there's no denying the misogyny), I just think the main premise of having a festival for female artists shouldn't be completely tossed aside because of poor management; the ones who "dictate" what "type" of individual may attend and who may not.

I mean really, where will Le Tigre play?   

Le Tiger isn't around any more.

Bring back Lilith Fair, get rid if Mich Fest. The issue is that the groups that perform might not realize it but they are supporting trans misogyny as are almost all of the festival goers. It's not something that can be changed because the a-holes attending are the problem as well as the management and others.

Ugh, Le Tigre is such a touchy subject for me.

[Epi]

Le Tiger isn't around any more.

Bring back Lilith Fair, get rid if Mich Fest. The issue is that the groups that perform might not realize it but they are supporting trans misogyny as are almost all of the festival goers. It's not something that can be changed because the a-holes attending are the problem as well as the management and others.

Ugh, Le Tigre is such a touchy subject for me.

How are the festival goers just as misogynistic as the management if they do not dictate the festivals policies and are subject to them as well?  (I understand some people may share the same prejudice as management, but isn't assuming that almost all of the attendees do a hasty generalization?)

Le Tigre played a show in the UK back in October says their tour date list.  From what I can see they're still performing, but not very often and only in dive bars and concert halls.   

Also, Lilith Fair was revived in 2010.    But unable to come back in 2011 because of bad ticket sales.   

[justmeinoz]

I was talking to one of the counsellors at my local LGBTIQ group on Tuesday.  One of his friends has just returned from the Michigan Fest. and apparently there were a lot of workshops and discussions on trans issues.  It appears it may be changing.  Someone commented to her that 20 years ago all the talk was about whether Bisexual women should be allowed to attend. 

Back to the OP.  It makes sense to me that you would stay in touch with a part of the community that you belonged to for an important period of your life.  I still read news items about place I haven't lived in for years.

Karen.

[KamTheMan]

Why does this happen to threads? I just wanted to know who likes to follow lesbian news and entertainment, that's it. I wasn't talking about women only spaces, I have no interest in these places I'm just talking about the stuff I look up online. Thank you to everyone sticking with the topic I started and trying to help me out.

[supremecatoverlord]

Kameron, it's because people are jaded and can't get over "personal connotations" with a particular topic. It's really ridiculous, because it has nothing to do with what you were asking at all...nor did you mention any of those organizations. Weird, huh?
I'm sorry this had to happen to your thread though.

[Darrin Scott]

Why does this happen to threads? I just wanted to know who likes to follow lesbian news and entertainment, that's it. I wasn't talking about women only spaces, I have no interest in these places I'm just talking about the stuff I look up online. Thank you to everyone sticking with the topic I started and trying to help me out.

Tends to happen a lot on the internet.

[KamTheMan]

Thanks Jason and yup Darrin it definitely does. Oh well lol.

[Arch]

Arch, yea I was gonna say for example I like the band Sick of Sarah and really want to see them live. But I'm not really invested in the lesbian community in that I'm not involved in the lgbt community at all. I hang out with my straight male roomie and my straight brother mostly. And then we go to gay bars (usually with all men) with our other roommates cause he has a girlfriend anyways. Sometimes I think my problem is that I'm so binary minded in regards to gender when maybe I'm genderqueer (though some T effects are appealing).

Dare I say it...you seem perfectly "normal" to me.

[wheat thins are delicious]

Plus being a trans man is binary.

I didn't know you were the identity police. 

Why does this happen to threads? I just wanted to know who likes to follow lesbian news and entertainment, that's it. I wasn't talking about women only spaces, I have no interest in these places I'm just talking about the stuff I look up online. Thank you to everyone sticking with the topic I started and trying to help me out.

That's how discussions tend to work, both online and irl. 

But on the subject of the OP, I never really followed news sites or things like that.  I read fanfic but when I started working and going to school all the time I really just didn't have time for it though sometimes I will try to read a little, I usually don't get too far though. :/

[Adio]

I ID'd as a lesbian for a very short period of time, so I was never involved with the community, but I still read some lesbian news.  But it's about the same rate I read any other news, which is rarely.  Many of my "OTPs" (one true pairing) are lesbian couples:  Alex and Paige from Degrassi, Emily and Naomi from Skins, Santana and Brittany from Glee (close second to Kurt/Blaine), among others.

To be honest, I don't think about it that much.  I don't think it makes me any less male, trans, or gay to read news or watch shows about lesbians.  If it's interesting and enjoyable, I don't care whether it's LGBT or not.

Also, it's the internet.

[kesenaie]

Never identified lesbians, don't like lesbians due to bad experiences, never will be interested in women. Most of them were feminists, too, in the awful way.
Also, should you guys really take some festival seriously that doesn't even spell women properly? Seriously, womyn? Is this some kind of feminist circle that goes "I HATE MEN SO BADLY"?
God, feminists make me want to puke.