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The "Myth Vs. Reality about Transgender People" Thread

Started by MsDazzler, December 26, 2011, 12:51:31 PM

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King Malachite

Myth: Being transgender is a choice.

Yeah....because I choose to be depressed and not being able to masturbate and enjoy it when my phantom limb acts up.  I choose to feel isolated and alone in this world.  Oh and for a man who is too cheap to spend $1 for a glass of lemonade in the middle of a desert.  I happily CHOOSE to eventually spend thousands of dollars just so my body can match my mind even a little bit....yeah being transgendered is a choice alright.
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Tippe

Quote from: Annah on January 15, 2012, 09:21:46 PM
I am not advocating that post op regret is high. I am explaining that the percentage is higher than 1% and the 1% seemed to be made up...when people throw percentages around on the internet I want sources.

I say 1-1.5% based on the studies I have read.

Here is one:

"Regrets
Immediately after the surgical intervention, certain subjects experience a period of dissatisfaction that can lead to regret. This feeling is generally temporary and most
often disappears during the year following the surgical transformation, without neces-sitating any new interventions [88]. Most often, it results from the confrontation of various difficulties (e.g., post-operative pains, surgical complications, unsatisfactory surgical results, departure of the partner, job loss, family conflicts, etc.). More serious and long-lasting regrets are rare. In a review of the literature, Pfafflin and Junge [89] report less than a percentage of regrets in FM subjects, and from 1% to 1.5% in MF (similar results have been reported by Kuiper: 0.5% in FM, 1.2% in MF subjects [50]) subjects (table II). An examination of the difficulties met by these different subjects reveals three major sources of regret: (1) diagnostic error (certain subjects show clear signs of psychosis); (2) absence of a real life test (the subjects were not part of a prolonged assessment of the adaptation of their new gender); (3) surgical interven-tional protocols which are not adequately adapted and the presence of deceiving surgical results (certain subjects had to wait for long periods of time before being able to proceed to the surgical interventional stage; several subjects suffered from surgical results that were aesthetically unsatisfactory and/or not very functional)."
[Michel A, Ansseau M, Legros JJ, Pitchot W, Mormont C. The transsexual: What about the future? European Psychiatry, 2002;17:353-62, p. 355]

another found 2 persons regretting in a cohort of 188, which is again roughly 1%
[Smith YLS, van Goozen SHM, Kuiper AJ, Verschoor AM, Cohen-Kettenis PT. CHAPTER 5 Predictors of the course and outcomes of sex reassignment - A prospective study I: Sex Reassignment : Predictors and Outcomes Of Treatment for Transsexuals. Universiteit Utrecht, 2002. s. 85-112. URL: http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/dissertations/2002-0808-103443/inhoud.htm]

The Pfaffin and Junge review quouted in the first article was based on 81 studies from 30 years, if I remember correctly.

The highest percentage of regrets I have seen is 3.8% found in a Swedish study. There is evidence, however that the percentage of regret drops when the surgeons receive more experience i.e. it is low in new studies and studies from high volume centers compared to early studies or studies in low volume centres, which puts Sweden at a disadvantage since they perform much fewer surgeries than for instance Thai and US surgeons.

All in all I believe 1% is a fair estimate in modern surgeries from top doctors, whereas it would probably be A LOT more common in Denmark, where only a single surgery is done every one or two years.
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Danacee

Quote from: Guantanamera on December 27, 2011, 12:02:26 AM
Not true- even the most beautiful trans women can be clocked by a simple DNA test.

Sorry to burst your bubble.  :(

Ah heres another obnoxiously disgusting myth; sex is genetic. Tell that to women with AIS, or men with CAH.


I can assure you one thing is not a myth; the world would be better off without douche literalist.

With their fixed notions and predisposition to run with incomplete information; NONE contribute to society or science in any form. Rather they are the greatest detriment to the scientific process. Douchbag literalism is the leading cause of moronic fundamentalist and underminers of all things progressive.

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Tippe

Quote from: Malachite on January 16, 2012, 11:09:35 AM
Myth: Being transgender is a choice.

I chose to live as a woman. I tried different genders and found myself most comfortable this way.
Sometimes I feel guilty, not trans enough and stuff, because it was a decision to me rather than live or die, but at the end of the day my experience is "Girls have more fun :)" and I'm not ashamed of doing what feels right to me, empowered rather.

I was spoiled by queer theory and a counsellor who focussed on the euphoria of becoming who you long to be rather than the dysphoria of being who you do not. Sorry.
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Sybil

Quote from: Tippe on January 16, 2012, 01:27:27 PM...the euphoria of becoming who you long to be rather than the dysphoria of being who you do not.

These are not mutually exclusive. I think that's where the disregard of gender transition as a choice comes from. Dealing with any medical issue - both physical and psychological - is rarely a choice in the conventional sense; to call a gender transition a choice for many is to reach profoundly into the "I think, therefore I am" clause of life. It devalues the concept of choice to do this.

If you truly feel it was a choice for you, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to project this onto others. Emotion, desire, compulsion, suffering, happiness, choice - these are not unilateral, universal images of the human condition.

Edit: I'm sorry, Tippe! I think I may have misread your intentions with your post as projecting your feelings onto others, but I see that you were only referring to yourself. I've become accustomed to hearing the argument from people that transitioning as a whole is a choice, and I jumped the gun a bit. As my post begins to say, though in a bit of a different context: if it was a choice for you and you're happy with it, I think that's perfectly okay/awesome for you. Sorry again!
Why do I always write such incredibly long posts?
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Tazia of the Omineca

Myth: You can't wear a dress, you're not a girl.

Reality: I can do whatever the hell I damn well please.
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Ave

Quote from: Annah on December 27, 2011, 01:28:46 AM
not necessarily. A simple DNA test will not "clock" me. Trust me

Thread Rez

Would being XXY clock someone? So confusing!

Being XX is unlikely if you have children, since XX males are sterile.
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Kevin Peña

XX males? Since when did those exist biologically?

Anywho--> Myth: Trans women are girly princess prancy types.
Reality--> I for one don't want the fairy-tale wedding (Beach barbeque, anyone?  ;D), can use swords and throwing knives, and know how to build a rail gun for less than $100.  :P
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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: DianaP on October 19, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
XX males? Since when did those exist biologically?
Myth: XX males do not exist.

Fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

Requires several unlikely factors but, they do. >.< lolz

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Kevin Peña

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peky

Quote from: DianaP on October 19, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
XX males? Since when did those exist biologically?

Anywho--> Myth: Trans women are girly princess prancy types.
Reality--> I for one don't want the fairy-tale wedding (Beach barbeque, anyone?  ;D), can use swords and throwing knives, and know how to build a rail gun for less than $100.  :P

A trans-location of a piece of Y chromosome to and X chromosome, has been documented in the medical literature
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Stealthy

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on December 27, 2011, 07:20:27 PM
This is the biggest myth of them all:

Myth: HRT works on everyone!
Fact: It doesn't!

You've been proven to be lying about your HRT. Over the course of only a year, you've claimed alternately to have been on HRT for 10, 12 and 14 years, and claimed that you had virtually no effects from it each time.
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Ave

Quote from: Stealthy on October 21, 2012, 04:47:37 PM
You've been proven to be lying about your HRT. Over the course of only a year, you've claimed alternately to have been on HRT for 10, 12 and 14 years, and claimed that you had virtually no effects from it each time.

oh darn...
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Annah

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Annah

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on December 28, 2011, 08:11:27 AM
It's very sad how HRT is hyped up in medical journels by so called experts claiming it does this and that but in reality it's very limited. Many people starting out on their transitional journey are under the illusion that they will get fantastic effects from HRT but in reality it's limited and doesn't work on everyone.

I think I got good results with HRT. I know many others who have had good results too.

You have to take into account many factors. For example a 50 year old wont have as much good results as a 18 year old. However, I wouldn't go as far as to say HRT is hyped up.

Just curious, if you've been taken HRT for 14 years and there are no results, why are you still taking it?
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Ave

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Kevin Peña

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Padma

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