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Started by MyAlias, December 29, 2011, 09:34:39 PM

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stldrmgrl

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 29, 2011, 09:35:14 PM
You might have always been into men ...

I agree with this part.

I think in time, certain very specific things "trigger" previously unknown things within our minds.  Transition, coming out, feeling more feminine, whatever, may have triggered you to discover and recognize that you find men attractive.  Though I certainly have NO scientific evidence to support this, it's just the way I see it.  Whether or not you choose to act on it is beside the point.  As everyone else said; don't fear it or reject it, accept and embrace it.  It's another discovery along the path of becoming you, and when it happened to me, I found it to be puzzling at first yet exciting as well.  Now, I find men more "eye pleasingly" attractive than women (women more in a beautiful sense, relating more to feelings of envy than lust); though neither sexually attractive.
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MsDazzler

Quote from: Sandy on December 30, 2011, 06:38:38 AM

I have had intercourse with men and while the experiences were fun, did not live up to my expectations.  I won't go into the details, because they would be too salacious for this forum.  But think wam-bam-thank-you-mam...


-Sandy

Are we all Puritans here or what? I don't think we will run screaming for the hills if you share your details...

C'mon, bisexual sis...  ;)
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Bishounen

Quote from: MyAlias on December 29, 2011, 09:34:39 PM
I have always liked women. But since I have come out I seem to be becoming more and more attrated to men? Will I stop liking women? Why the change. I have never found men attractive till now! ???

Interesting thing is, that a lot of transitioners that have previously only been into the, quote, "opposite" of their Birth-assigned Sex, finds themselves to during HRT instead start getting more and more attracted to the Gender which the transitioner is physically becoming the opposite of.
A friend of mine that had always been "fully" Bisexual, an MTF, found herself after roughly one or two years on HRT, to more or less only be interested in males, and on top of that, now seemed to find female genitals almost repulsive, despite having been very fond of them before.

It would be easy to blame these types of changes in orientation on the hormonal influence on the brain, if it were not for the fact that it may actually also go the other way around; That a transitioner insteads turns practically homosexual during or after the change.

Either it is a matter of hormones, or, a matter of psychology, or, which I find the most likely, a matter of both and something that have different causes for each transitioner. As said, am leaning the most towards the last part, as both Psychology aswell as Hormonal influency are two fully recognized factors for big mental changes during transiton, both for MTF's aswell as FTM's.

It would be most interesting if thorough research would be done in this area.

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Sandy

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 30, 2011, 11:55:48 AM
Are we all Puritans here or what? I don't think we will run screaming for the hills if you share your details...

C'mon, bisexual sis...  ;)

It's not that I wouldn't.  However TOS Rule #5:
Quote5. The posting of messages on the chat or forums which are of a threatening tone, obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate, or depict illegal acts will not be permitted.

The posting would be obscene, pornographic, titillating, and possibly illegal depending on the state, county, country or the uniform code of military justice...  :police:

However, think:
"Steamy back seats in the dead of night,
furtive middle of the night rendezvous,
drunken one night stands,
lips to lips,
lips on skin - everywhere,
rushed co-undressing,
hands rushing grabbing exposed skin,
hot breath on skin,
perspiration,
painful lack of lubrication,
fingernails on back, teeth on shoulders,
almost climaxing but never quite getting there - ever(!),
lonely beds."

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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MsDazzler

Quote from: fionabell on December 30, 2011, 12:58:29 AM
A large amount of attraction is chemical so replacing testosterone with estrogen will allow you to be amendable to male sexual allure.

Surely?  :'( :icon_yes:

I wonder if FTMs who were heterosexual (into men) prior to transitioning can vouch for this - is there any FTM who used to like men only, but now open to women too because of replacing their estrogen with testosterone?
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MsDazzler

Quote from: Sandy on December 30, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
It's not that I wouldn't.  However TOS Rule #5:
The posting would be obscene, pornographic, titillating, and possibly illegal depending on the state, county, country or the uniform code of military justice...  :police:

However, think:
"Steamy back seats in the dead of night,
furtive middle of the night rendezvous,
drunken one night stands,
lips to lips,
lips on skin - everywhere,
rushed co-undressing,
hands rushing grabbing exposed skin,
hot breath on skin,
perspiration,
painful lack of lubrication,
fingernails on back, teeth on shoulders,
almost climaxing but never quite getting there - ever(!),
lonely beds."

-Sandy

There is a TOS against sexually explicit messages? I think we were pretty explicit in the sexuality part of the forum.... of cousre I know the F*** word is bleeped out
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fionabell

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 30, 2011, 01:26:14 PM
I wonder if FTMs who were heterosexual (into men) prior to transitioning can vouch for this - is there any FTM who used to like men only, but now open to women too because of replacing their estrogen with testosterone?

There was an experiment using rats and the ftm starting humping the female rats. I think that's really the most accurate assessment you are likely to get.
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MyAlias

Thank you all for your responses.



Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 29, 2011, 09:35:14 PM
You might have always been into men and your transition is merely justification for that.
Quote from: Zenda on December 29, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
Kia Ora Elle,
 
::) I'm inclined to agree with you...

Metta Zenda :)
Sorry Zenda but No! I have never found men attractive or interesting sexually, i have never checked out a guy or wanted to be with a guy before any of this, they never crossed my mind.

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 29, 2011, 11:35:50 PM
Why don't you put money where your mouth is? Gimme an idea of what kind of man you find attractive by posting pictures in my other thread called "Post Your Idea of The Perfect Guy"!
The Guys on their are pretty darn good examples of what is currently making my mouth water, all except SATO TAKERU, sorry Assoluta! but i am attratcted to very femme guys too.

This pic right here: The middle guy, mmm....mmmm...mmm i'm just waiting for him to pull the pants lower since he is looking out to see who is watching him before he shows me.... um anyways!! sorry got lost a bit

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Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 30, 2011, 01:00:21 AM
Sounds like you've discovered the light coming through the closet door. Now move those christmas presents from 1998 and open the door and see the rainbows and the half naked twink on your bed.
haha.. good one Mahsa, what is a twink?

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MyAlias

I like the following and seem to make a little more sense, but I still want to know why, the change. so sudden, just like a flip of a switch!


Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 29, 2011, 11:20:20 PM
What we like depends on a lot of things, including when/how/why endorphins ("happy hormones") are released in the brain.

Sometimes I wonder how much hetero- and homosexuality are determined by internal wiring, as opposed to true "personal choice."

In the meantime...just go with it. Enjoy!
and I cant' just go with it! I don't want to be with them as a guy, but as a woman.

Quote from: fionabell on December 29, 2011, 10:39:39 PM
I'm sorry. i like men too. Well I like their bodies and penis but not their head and what's in it ;D

A large amount of attraction is chemical so replacing testosterone with estrogen will allow you to be amendable to male sexual allure.

Surely?  :'( :icon_yes:
I like thier bodies now too and the penis which repulsed me before seems very alluring now, not all but some.



Quote from: stldrmgrl on December 30, 2011, 11:22:01 AM
I agree with this part.

I think in time, certain very specific things "trigger" previously unknown things within our minds.  Transition, coming out, feeling more feminine, whatever, may have triggered you to discover and recognize that you find men attractive.  Though I certainly have NO scientific evidence to support this, it's just the way I see it.  Whether or not you choose to act on it is beside the point.  As everyone else said; don't fear it or reject it, accept and embrace it.  It's another discovery along the path of becoming you, and when it happened to me, I found it to be puzzling at first yet exciting as well.  Now, I find men more "eye pleasingly" attractive than women (women more in a beautiful sense, relating more to feelings of envy than lust); though neither sexually attractive.
but how, why, i was never attracted to them, it could be you make sense too! still i do not know what triggered it!
Quote from: Cindi Jones on December 30, 2011, 07:32:06 AM
Don't worry about it.  I sortta felt the same way for a while and ended up marrying a very nice guy.  You never know where you'll end up. Just go with the flow.

Chin up!
Cindi
That is wonderful,I am so happy for you!
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Sweet Blue Girl

Quote from: Sandy on December 30, 2011, 06:38:38 AM
From a clinical point of view, I think it is a multiple of factors.

Relating from my own experience, I never found men as exciting as women.  From a physical aspect I could appreciate a muscular, well built man, like the image of DaVinci's "David", but I never felt any attraction to them.  Women's soft curves and tender skin always seemed magical to me.

Now...

I still consider myself lesbian and I am in a committed lesbian relationship, and I still find women alluring.

However, over the course of my transition and my time on HRT, I have found the male form to be interestingVery interesting.  The hard body and body hair that I found so disgusting on me, I find very sensual on men.

I have had intercourse with men and while the experiences were fun, did not live up to my expectations.  I won't go into the details, because they would be too salacious for this forum.  But think wam-bam-thank-you-mam...

But still the idea of men can still make my toes curl.

I personally think that as the cross hormone therapy changes our bodies, it also changes our brains.  It opens pathways within our most powerful sexual organ, the brain.  And, as I contend and more documentation shows, we have basically female brains to one extent or another, we become more hetero-normative.

Also from a social integration standpoint, as we transition to our proper place in society we allow ourselves the freedom to look at men in a new light.  When previously we may have been so closeted as to deny any thoughts of having sexual relations with men.

I personally think it is primarily a primordial sexual urge driven by our newly re-wired brains.  Because when I try to rationally imagine having a true on-going relationship with a man as a partner and husband, it all falls apart.  Realistically, no man would really want a woman like me.  Pushing 60, sterile, a family of my own, and oh by the way, I was born with a outdoor plumbing.  If he didn't have a problem with it, someone he knew would have a problem with it.  Either his family, or his friends, or whatever.  And that usually puts an end to it.

See Calperia Addams three steps to dating a man.  It's true.  There is no fourth date.

Bottom line is, accept and go on.  This is who we are.  And the one thing we have learned through this process is to allow ourselves to sit back and enjoy the ride.

-Sandy

ouch Michelangelo's David!!!
Yes he is quite an attractive guy isn't it?
I believe that changes are not related to chemicals, but to how we perceive ourself (chemical just sign a point of no return in the progress of mind transitioning, and they do it everyday ) and as more I perceive myself woman As more I feel my real emotions toward everything, included men.
Thus I mean I am starting to have the easy teardrop, i am very emotional, also if i try to act normally, and as much as i like more girl things, i am discovering of being more attracted by men than by women ( still i like them, but more as wish of becoming like them!).
Pretty normal stuff!!!
I guess the first poster is in the same situation.
I think this is a good thing of transitioning so i wouldn't worry that much.
Maybe it can become uncomfortable sitting near a nice guy, and couldn't do anything to seduce him, but well this happens when you liked girls too so u should e bacquainted with fantasies. I am.
The real problem in transitioning is all the time wishing normal things, like proper clothes, the possibility to buy make up and use it everyday without look like a clown, and the horrible deformities of the body (the ugliness in between the legs ) and sooo on!
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Bishounen

Quote from: fionabell on December 30, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
There was an experiment using rats and the ftm starting humping the female rats. I think that's really the most accurate assessment you are likely to get.

I believe you may be referring to the Austrian Physiologist and pioneering Endocrinologist Eugene Steinarch, that in 1912 studied Gender-charactaristic behaviour by implanting Sexual Glands into the opposite Sex of his guinea pigs. For instance, and just as you said, implanting testicles on the female guinea pig, which resulted in the female developing male charactaristics and behaviour, and resulted in the female trying to mount the castrated male partner, that, too, had started to feminize aswell after Eugene had removed their testicles.

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Sandy

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 30, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
There is a TOS against sexually explicit messages? I think we were pretty explicit in the sexuality part of the forum.... of cousre I know the F*** word is bleeped out

I can be as lascivious as the next girl, but, yeah, the amount of detail that go into a post, regardless of the forum (even the sexuality one), is restricted. 

Susan's is "spidered" regularly, and having it pop up in the porno sites on google is not wanted.

But if you want all the juicy details, PM me and I can get as down and dirty as I want.  ;) ;) :icon_censored: (or not :icon_redface:)

wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Natkat

sexualety is strange, I like to think about it as being fluent in general, so even the most straight guy or girl could once in his entire life hit by a person and thinking he/she where hot and never admit it so.
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funny thing is I know a ftm who was dating a girl before trandition and after he turned gay,
for me I been into guys, manly, I am still bisexual but laterly I been felling alittle more into girls.
sadly I dont relate to them, girls are pretty complicated.

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Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) With all said and done...Have you ever wondered why it is HRT does not 'cure' the homosexual who wants to be heterosexual ? Or why it seems to have no impact upon other trans-people's sexual orientation ?

::) I'm also under the impression if one is brought up in an environment where homosexuality is the worse kind of sin ever,["YOU WILL BURN IN HELL IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY>>>BURN IN HELL I TELL YOU !"] the stigma attached to having such feelings [ pre everything-that is at a young age having what is 'mistakenly'  felt to be 'same-sex' attraction]could leave a traumatic impression upon ones sponge-like easy influenced mind, pushing those feelings deeper within the closet of denial, and they only begin to resurface once ones true gender identity starts to take hold...

* BTW it can also enters ones mind in a subliminal way, friends, family, work colleagues, telling what they feel are harmless 'homophobic' jokes, the sweet old ladies, mothers, aunties, grandmothers  frowning and passing negative comments[gossiping] when they see a person displaying obvious homosexual behaviour...It can all add up and take it's toll on a fragile mind *....   

::) But in saying all this, it doesn't really matter what one believes, just so long as they are comfortable with how things turn out...[This all being said by an asexual bi-romantic/affectionate women who seems to have the best of both worlds with no strings *sexual hang ups* attached :D ;D ]

Metta Zenda :) 
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Zenda on December 30, 2011, 03:29:42 PM
Kia Ora,

::) With all said and done...Have you ever wondered why it is HRT does not 'cure' the homosexual who wants to be heterosexual ? Or why it seems to have no impact upon other trans-people's sexual orientation ?

::) I'm also under the impression if one is brought up in an environment where homosexuality is the worse kind of sin ever,["YOU WILL BURN IN HELL IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY>>>BURN IN HELL I TELL YOU !"] the stigma attached to having such feelings [ pre everything-that is at a young age having what is 'mistakenly'  felt to be 'same-sex' attraction]could leave a traumatic impression upon ones sponge-like easy influenced mind, pushing those feelings deeper within the closet of denial, and they only begin to resurface once ones true gender identity starts to take hold...

* BTW it can also enters ones mind in a subliminal way, friends, family, work colleagues, telling what they feel are harmless 'homophobic' jokes, the sweet old ladies, mothers, aunties, grandmothers  frowning and passing negative comments[gossiping] when they see a person displaying obvious homosexual behaviour...It can all add up and take it's toll on a fragile mind *....   

::) But in saying all this, it doesn't really matter what one believes, just so long as they are comfortable with how things turn out...[This all being said by an asexual bi-romantic/affectionate women who seems to have the best of both worlds with no strings *sexual hang ups* attached :D ;D ]

Metta Zenda :)

Before hormones I was 100% into guys. However my sex drive was nowhere near as strong as you would consider a guys hormones to be. Since taking hormones, I notice guys WAYYY more, and my desire to have sex with guys is 10 fold stronger than it used to be. I used to never know if a guy had been in an elevator before me, now it's like.. very quickly noticable. For these reasons, I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that estrogen has an effect on sexual attractiveness to men in at least some people.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Herwinteress

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 29, 2011, 09:51:45 PM
+1 to this!

We need more HETERO women here... but I'll take BISEXUAL as well since you still like women

Sign me up for the HETERO women line.

Far as my own experience, before coming out I always had this 'weird vibe' about men and never considered it to be a sexual attraction. I was so hell-bent on being a regular guy I tried to just force it out of my mind on why I would steal glances at some guys and freak out/get butterflies other times when I was close enough to smell them (?) or have a great conversation/friendship intamcy with some and think to myself 'this is really nice' but shouldn't feel this way...

As a caveat, I haven't begun HRT yet so maybe that will throw me for an unexpected loop.

BUT as I have at least started the process of being comfortable feeling and expressing myself as a woman, I'm totally OK with being completely man-hungry. 

And awesome thread you've started MsDazzler. I will be carefully and thoroughly reviewing all entries - for ahem, scientific purposes of course, ahem - before making my own recommendations.  :o



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fionabell

Quote from: Bishounen on December 30, 2011, 02:11:48 PM
I believe you may be referring to the Austrian Physiologist and pioneering Endocrinologist Eugene Steinarch, that in 1912 studied Gender-charactaristic behaviour by implanting Sexual Glands into the opposite Sex of his guinea pigs. For instance, and just as you said, implanting testicles on the female guinea pig, which resulted in the female developing male charactaristics and behaviour, and resulted in the female trying to mount the castrated male partner, that, too, had started to feminize aswell after Eugene had removed their testicles.

They can't transplant testicles silly! That's ridiculous
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MyAlias

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0451

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pretty pauline

Quote from: Cindi Jones on December 30, 2011, 07:32:06 AM
You never know where you'll end up. Just go with the flow.
Well I never realized Id end up a fulltime housewife and married to a guy. Before my transition I was never sexual attracted to guys, then starting transition, it was a number of factors, replacing my testosterone with estrogen Iv always believed changed my sexual orientation, the attention I now received from guys, Im now very comfortable as a woman just wanting a handsome man, a gentleman who knows how to treat a woman, Im now married to that kind of guy, since my transition I could never have a sexual relationship with another woman, Im now a hetro lady, this thread has come up before and will come up again  https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,103902.msg779292.html#msg779292
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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