Why is my sexual orientation changing???

[MsDazzler]

Sign me up for the HETERO women line.

Far as my own experience, before coming out I always had this 'weird vibe' about men and never considered it to be a sexual attraction. I was so hell-bent on being a regular guy I tried to just force it out of my mind on why I would steal glances at some guys and freak out/get butterflies other times when I was close enough to smell them (?) or have a great conversation/friendship intamcy with some and think to myself 'this is really nice' but shouldn't feel this way...

As a caveat, I haven't begun HRT yet so maybe that will throw me for an unexpected loop.

BUT as I have at least started the process of being comfortable feeling and expressing myself as a woman, I'm totally OK with being completely man-hungry. 

And awesome thread you've started MsDazzler. I will be carefully and thoroughly reviewing all entries - for ahem, scientific purposes of course, ahem - before making my own recommendations. 

thanks but it is not my thread

but since you identify as hetero, get your ass in my other thread "post your idea of the perfect guy!" and contribute!

[SandraJane]

Has anyone experienced a change in their sexual orientation between accepting you are a Female/Woman/Trans, and starting HRT?

I noticed my "orientation" changed after I accepted what I am, realized one day that I liked Men, and hey I'm a Heterosexual Woman! Where did that come from? I  thought I settled this issue as a "guy", but hey...this feels different now, like a burden has been lifted or that it now feels "right"...no internal conflict about it anymore.

And I haven't started HRT yet either and that was 6 months ago.

[Bishounen]

They can't transplant testicles silly! That's ridiculous

Ever tried "Search", 'Silly'?

But okay, I will do that for you.
Wikipedia article on Eugene Steinach:

By 1912 he had conducted experiments in the transplantation of a male guinea pig's testes into a female and the castration of the male

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Steinach

Further from the discussion page:

In mammals, too, for example in the rat, the development of somatic and psychic sex characteristics (seminal vesicles, prostate, erotization), is controlled by the internal secretion of the testicle. Castration in early age periods prevents growth and development of sex characteristics. Testicular transplants in such infantile castrates lead to normal physical and psychic development. The production of this physiological testicular hormone takes place in the so-called interstitial tissue (Leydig's cells) and not in seminal canals which serve for the production of spermatozoa.

Through transplantation of ovaries into infantile castrated guinea-pigs the female sex characteristics, physical and psychic, are brought to development (feminization). This includes particularly the development of the mammary gland and nipples, milk secretion, willingness to give suck, feminine direction of the sex instinct and skeletal form, hirsute character and type, and deposition of adipose tissue of female type. Simultaneously, male characteristics are extensively inhibited.

Testicular transplants in infantile spayed female guinea-pigs bring about development of masculine Anlagen (masculization): development of the male organ, masculine sex instinct, skeleton, and pilosity.

Simultaneous transplantation of testicle and ovary into infantile guinea-pig castrates effects the development of masculine and feminine sex characteristics (experimental hermaphroditism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eugen_Steinach

Oh, and by all means, please do not hesitate to comment on this.

[BillieTex]

Like who you like and be happy 

[MyAlias]

Thank you for going back on topic! the guinea-pigs weren't really helping my case! lol! anyways but its just wierd how all of a sudden I like guys! i have never even related with them.

[Anatta]

Thank you for going back on topic! the guinea-pigs weren't really helping my case! lol! anyways but its just wierd how all of a sudden I like guys! i have never even related with them.

Kia Ora MA,

Are you happy with this change ?

Metta Zenda

[MyAlias]

Kia Ora MA,

Are you happy with this change ?

Metta Zenda

That's just it, I don't know. I haven't been with a guy before or yet! I'm just confused at the moment!

[SandraJane]

Kia Ora MA,

Are you happy with this change ?

Metta Zenda

That's just it, I don't know. I haven't been with a guy before or yet! I'm just confused at the moment!

Then just let it be for now, and you might experience a moment where you are at peace with whatever direction your orientation takes!

Sign me up for the HETERO women line.

Far as my own experience, before coming out I always had this 'weird vibe' about men and never considered it to be a sexual attraction. I was so hell-bent on being a regular guy I tried to just force it out of my mind on why I would steal glances at some guys and freak out/get butterflies other times when I was close enough to smell them (?) or have a great conversation/friendship intamcy with some and think to myself 'this is really nice' but shouldn't feel this way...

As a caveat, I haven't begun HRT yet so maybe that will throw me for an unexpected loop.

BUT as I have at least started the process of being comfortable feeling and expressing myself as a woman, I'm totally OK with being completely man-hungry.

Same here, look to starting HRT in January, but for the last 6 months I've been at peace with myself over being a "HETRO WOMAN" also. Don't know if it is all due to acceptance of being Trans, or if it is due to my own E & T levels changing or a combo of both?

Have to wait and see what HRT adds to this...

[kelly_aus]

Before I started HRT, I'd have sworn I was a hetero woman.. After all I'd spent years chasing men as a gay guy.. After a few months on HRT I realised that I really had no particular preference.. I got one of the silliest responses out of my therapist when I asked about it too.. He said 'It happens..'

[Felix]

Before I started HRT, I'd have sworn I was a hetero woman.. After all I'd spent years chasing men as a gay guy.. After a few months on HRT I realised that I really had no particular preference.. I got one of the silliest responses out of my therapist when I asked about it too.. He said 'It happens..'

"It happens" is the wisest explanation I've ever gotten for anything in life.

[Tammy Hope]

You might have always been into men and your transition is merely justification for that.

I can't argue this never happens, but it is very much exactly the knee-jerk claim the average ignorant religionist throws out so it's very suspect to me.

[Tammy Hope]

Sign me up for the HETERO women line.

Far as my own experience, before coming out I always had this 'weird vibe' about men and never considered it to be a sexual attraction. I was so hell-bent on being a regular guy I tried to just force it out of my mind on why I would steal glances at some guys and freak out/get butterflies other times when I was close enough to smell them (?) or have a great conversation/friendship intamcy with some and think to myself 'this is really nice' but shouldn't feel this way...

As a caveat, I haven't begun HRT yet so maybe that will throw me for an unexpected loop.

BUT as I have at least started the process of being comfortable feeling and expressing myself as a woman, I'm totally OK with being completely man-hungry. 

And awesome thread you've started MsDazzler. I will be carefully and thoroughly reviewing all entries - for ahem, scientific purposes of course, ahem - before making my own recommendations. 

I've always kind of understood myself in an if/then manner.

I think a lot of us, probably most all, if we resist this condition go through a period in which we ask "Am I just gay? is that what it is?"

I did, but I can safely say i wasn't. Even to this very hour, if i close my eyes and imagine a man-on-man encounter, romantic or sexual, I have a visceral "do NOT like" reaction. don't get me wrong, i have gay friends i love and am all for the rights of all gay people but the idea i'd ever be on either end of a gay relationship as a male was always very firmly "NO WAY" was i interested.

On the other hand, going back to my teen years, if i imagined the girl i believe I should have been - what was her life to be like? - I've always instinctively understood that THAT girl was not only into guys, but very promiscuously so. the female i know myself to be has always been into guys.

But I still don't precisely feel a sexual attraction in the same sense that I've been attracted to females as a male, i'm not so much (yet) attracted to hard bodies or body hair or whatever, but I'm attracted to masculinity. My understanding of who i am as a person is to be some guys best girl, to be the perused and romanced and seduced and yes even dominated.

there's a lot of discussion in trans circles of the "loss of male privilege" and how women are seen as "lesser" in some way...and while it might not be any sort of politically correct to say, THAT is what i feel rewarded by, it my "place in the world"

I've experimented with men enough to know that i love love love being a woman to a man. Even though right now I'm trying to provide a soft landing to the woman I'm married to.

Ultimately, I can only consider myself bi in that i can still perform and enjoy it with a female on occasion, but I'm very sure that when this relationship ends, there will almost certainly never be another romantic relationship with a female.

[Tammy Hope]

thanks but it is not my thread

but since you identify as hetero, get your ass in my other thread "post your idea of the perfect guy!" and contribute!

can you link it? the search function seems on the fritz

[Felix]

can you link it? the search function seems on the fritz

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,113051.0/topicseen.html

[Tammy Hope]

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,113051.0/topicseen.html

yeah, turned out to be on the first page, duh!

[Keaira]

I think a lot of it too has to do with pheromones. Because I have, and I say this awkwardly, had the same experience. And it really messed with my mind. But it only happened 8 months or so into HRT for me.

Anyway, there's this guy at work that I suddenly found really hot! Tall, blonde, and has piercing blue eyes. I know I go all stupid around him like a school girl. And my sisters both laughed when I told them how conflicted I was. They simply said, " relax. You're a girl now. ". But it still kind of bothers me that something like that was not a subtle change. It's just taken me a while to accept that this is Just another aspect of myself. But I still love being with my wife. So it just made me Bi.

[Jayne]

I've not started HRT yet but i've noticed a big change since coming out.
Before I came out I saw men I thought were nice & had been with several men but couldn't see myself in a relationship with one, now that i'm out I see men in a different light, a fit male body is the most erotic thing in the world, I don't even need to see his package to think this now & I often find myself catching the scent of a man & getting some pretty intense thoughts about what i'd like to do with him.

I'm sure it's a case of being in denial before but now my secrets out my sub concience has given itself the green light to find men truly attractive

[justmeinoz]

I have been giving this topic some thought and really can't come up with anything conclusive, other than than if you love someone, and they love you, who cares what their sex is. 

If you are fortunate enough to have a partner who has stayed through transition, then you have found an absolute angel, and would be insane to leave them for any reason.   Personally I can't envisage an emotional relationship with a man, but no doubt post-SRS I will give sex a try sometime, just to see what it is like.

Liking men is one thing but understanding them? I never did  even when I was trying to be one.  Probably why I was so bad at it!

Karen.

[Sandy]

Liking men is one thing but understanding them? I never did  even when I was trying to be one.  Probably why I was so bad at it!
Karen.

Hear! Hear!  I never could quite get the hang of masculinity either.

However, now that I'm on the other side of the fence, I truly believe this is more appropriate.  At least from my point of view...


-Sandy(I like having a lot of buttons and knobs!)

[MsDazzler]

I don't see what the big spectacle is all about - roll with the changes

you just need to get laid by a stud instead of agonizing over it here, IMHO

then you ll know