LDS Therapist: "You aren't really trans because you aren't a sexual deviant."

[V M]

I've had good and bad dealings with the fine Mormon folk... Some have gone about their business in an upfront, professional manor, other's (too many) have unfortunately had far too many 'Better Ideas' than I care to bother with 

[AbraCadabra]

I say, from a 'European' mind-set view it's a very insightful thread on US American religious issues, hum.

It helps to explain some stuff to me, yet it leaves me so detached - I wonder why?

I had an arsehole as a therapist/psychiatrist, he did hurt me lots, and all in the name of "therapy" 15min a month for R500-00, and it was enough to make me go for the big check-out more then once.
He did mention though in his last GIDNOS report "... Mr. xxx does not belong to any church...  and has not had sufficient fantasies... " I must be missing something, he he.
Always wondered what those comments were all about.

Lastly, I can hear all this uproar about this LDS-councillor, and in deed it IS interesting how much 'credibility' , raising major upset, she got for just working for/in the church...
In deed she might just have been all really well meaning! In her own knowing way, that is.

Most non-church European-socialised folks would just laugh it off as a typical churchy opinion, including all the sexual deviant commentary.

Give that sort of power to the church - and that's just what you will get, yes?

At least no one will want to have an auto-da-fé for you, and that's progress for you honey.
Big time, I say :-)

My 2 cents,
Axélle

[Jamie D]

As others here have stated, I have concerns about the patient confidentiality and in whose interest the therapist is acting.

It might be well to clarify those issues further.

[TheUglyDuck]

   
Just another example of why religion needs to be wheeled off to the looney house. 
Along with belief in witch craft and spaghetti monsters. -__-

Seriously though. These people are so dangerous. They have no right to call them self's mental health professionals.

They are not trained not educated and they make decisions from a 5000yr old book that promotes rape and murder.

See i actually read my bible.

And i came to a conclusion. It's nonsense! And if by some very unlikely chance they bible is a factual collection of recorded history. (ROFL at the notion)

Then screw this god! I could care less if it did create me and the universe. I can actually see lucifers point. I'll side with him! LOL

Now im off to listen to some Pendulum some ungodly devil noise that will corrupt my soul! : D

[V M]

You don't believe in spaghetti monsters? *hikes up dress* Hummmmph!!! 

[Padma]

Non-secular psychology is like non-radioactive uranium, it doesn't work.

= very old, and very spent (and having caused a lot of sickness along the way).

[TheUglyDuck]

I'm curious as to what they consider SRS to actually be?

Like is it ok to go onto HRT get FFS surgery for breast inplants and such and sick immoral transgenderl to then change your gentials? o.O


It just comes off as though this woman has no idea about what she's talking about. Which she probably dosen't. ;p

[smooth]

LSD therapist COOL! How long before you get to trip out 

[8888]

Always thought it was the other way round.

[Annah]

   
Just another example of why religion needs to be wheeled off to the looney house. 
Along with belief in witch craft and spaghetti monsters. -__-

People carted off those who practices earth religions to their death by burning them at the stake or by hanging them. Labeling people who are different than you as crazy is poor judgement not to mention a bit hypocritical because of what we, transgenders, go through on a daily basis.

Seriously though. These people are so dangerous. They have no right to call them self's mental health professionals.

Who are "these people?"

They are not trained not educated and they make decisions from a 5000yr old book that promotes rape and murder.

See i actually read my bible.

And i came to a conclusion. It's nonsense! And if by some very unlikely chance they bible is a factual collection of recorded history.(ROFL at the notion)

You obviously regard the Bible in the same light that fundamentalist view the bible....that it is or suppose to be a recorded history....literal translations. Therefore, since it is not, you feel that you have the license to call people who believe in a God or uses a book for spiritual advancement as crazy people.

Before you group all spiritual people into a group of crazies who read a book focused on "rape and murder" maybe you should practice tact next time before posting your opinions.

Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions and beliefs, even you. But, from what I see, you fall into the same category of fundamentalists. They believe their way is right and others way is wrong.

Then screw this god! I could care less if it did create me and the universe. I can actually see lucifers point. I'll side with him! LOL

Now im off to listen to some Pendulum some ungodly devil noise that will corrupt my soul! : D

yeah....

[MeghanAndrews]

Jdinatale, another truly heartbreaking post from you I hope you are doing ok with all these negative things happening to you. I have a question for you. So your therapist referenced some list that she's using or determining factors as to whether you are trans* or not, have you asked her what it is? I'm guessing (uh, hopefully) that she's not somehow interpreting the SOC that way, so is there an LDS document that gives guidance on how to deal with trans*? I think that might be a good starting point, just figuring out what she's using and maybe that will help give you an explanation about why she's coming out of left field with this stuff. In light of the situation, I do hope you are staying positive and not letting the negativity sap the life from you. Meghan.

[batgirl]

I find most therapists are psychological deviants. I've got nothing against them, I just don't personally share their deviance in this area and certainly not in the role they require of the customer(patient?).

I find psychiatrists are useful for getting on pensions, work compensation, staying out of jail or otherwise being helped in court.

They are also necessary for srs permission etc.

There must be good psychologists out there but the ones I've encountered have been draining, degrading and damaging to my self esteem. I find it extremely compromising that I am forced to submit to these people as part of my transition.

I'm glad that you have experienced otherwise

[0451]

Well in all fairness, at least now you have an excuse to be excessively promiscuous.

[Annah]

What a jerk. She seems like a nice lady but I don't believe transsexuality is an issue of sexual deviance, unless it's to be believed that transsexual women are really men. There are actually conservative women trapped in mens' bodies as well.

Transsexuality is a MEDICAL disorder, NOT a mental disorder.

I believe medically, transsexuality comes from a level of hormones in the brain and nervous system.

This is what people need to understand.

don't mean to change the subject but didn't you say you are no longer trans because you found Jesus and you being trans was only trying to fill a void in your life?

[supremecatoverlord]

don't mean to change the subject but didn't you say you are no longer trans because you found Jesus and you being trans was only trying to fill a void in your life?

Annah,
I have fallen in love with your recent posts.

[Annah]

Annah,
I have fallen in love with your recent posts.

As a current Pastor, I know how fundamentalist Christians think. I was a pastor for a fundamentalist church for 10 years. i haven't quite figured out if Bebe is just bouncing everywhere soul searching or an "evangelical mole" in a transgender site. If the latter is true, he certainly isn't the first I have run into. PinkEssence and TGResources encountered this kind of strategy.

I am still hoping that he is confused and searching for him/herself. At the moment, I am still a little peeved that just three weeks ago he told us we were all going to hell. Now he's back as a transgender.

[El]

Im so glad religion has a much weaker hold over this side of the pond. I dont really come across religious people in my day to day life and from what ive heard from the USA that might be a good thing. I cant rememebr the last time i heard anything good asociated with any organised religion espeically when also talking about trans issues.

[Annah]

I cant rememebr the last time i heard anything good asociated with any organised religion espeically when also talking about trans issues.

http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/
http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/callmemalcolm.html
http://www.gaychurch.org/Find_a_Church/find_a_church.htm
http://gaylife.about.com/od/religion/a/gaychurch.htm

There are tons of "organized religions" and denominations that are LGBT friendly. The problem is so many of us just assume there isn't and never bother looking into it.

One girl was convinced there were no LGBT friendly churches in Texas. Not only did I find them, I found one within 5 miles of her home in less then four minutes.

We have over 9 lgbt friendly churches within one square mile of the small city I live in...right smack in the middle of Amish Country.

[AbraCadabra]

Annah, that sounds impressive.

Tell me how would I go about it in a country (SA) and a city like Pretoria, suburb Fairie Glen?

They will not advertise that fact - and making an appointment with each and every pastor/dominie/preacher at any of the close by churches be QUITE a task, to say the least.

Now my ex-sister-in-law goes to an 'open-minded' Presbyterian church and then just to tell me, my heart-op was the Lords punishment for transitioning... and she will NEVER see me as anyone other then my former male self...

The point, - the preacher may well find us acceptable, but then if one has a congregation full of such bigots it's not going to be  a very good experience, no?

Thanks,
Axélle

[Annah]

Annah, that sounds impressive.

Tell me how would I go about it in a country (SA) and a city like Pretoria, suburb Fairie Glen?

They will not advertise that fact - and making an appointment with each and every pastor/dominie/preacher at any of the close by churches be QUITE a task, to say the least.

Now my ex-sister-in-law goes to an 'open-minded' Presbyterian church and then just to tell me, my heart-op was the Lords punishment for transitioning... and she will NEVER see me as anyone other then my former male self...

The point, - the preacher may well find us acceptable, but then if one has a congregation full of such bigots it's not going to be  a very good experience, no?

Thanks,
Axélle

There are four LGBT friendly churches in Pretoria.
http://www.eastside.org.za/
http://www.agallia.co.za/
http://www.gaychurch.co.za/
and
Glorious Light MCC

The best advice is to call them and ask questions...or email them.

Open and affirming churches are churches and/or denominations where not only the pastor is affirming but the entire congregation is as well.  There's a long process of education, seminars and congregational voting to make a church open and affirming

Hope that helps!