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I love england :)

Started by El, January 22, 2012, 10:34:41 AM

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kelly_aus

Quote from: Padma on January 22, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
Right, and you can't get a decent pie floater in Norfolk either ;).

You do realise that only tourists eat pie floaters? And they really are a 'speciality' of Adelaide - the city that ended up with a large slab of the 10 Pound Poms...
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A

Ooooooff-topic hi-jacking!

What's the difference between a club and a pub?
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Padma

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 23, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
You do realise that only tourists eat pie floaters? And they really are a 'speciality' of Adelaide - the city that ended up with a large slab of the 10 Pound Poms...
You do realise I'm kidding, right? ;) I never had a pie floater when I was visiting Oz, but that's because I can't eat wheat :).
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Padma

Quote from: A on January 23, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
Ooooooff-topic hi-jacking!

What's the difference between a club and a pub?

Loosely, a pub is a "public house", which means you can just walk in (if you're old enough) and buy drinks, and often food too.

A club almost always has an entrance fee, and then you can buy drinks, and often food too, but for way higher prices. And they usually feature bloody loud music, and people dress up/down to go there, and they stay open late. Why anyone would want to go there baffles me, but it's all personal taste, innit? (actually, I feel the same about pubs, but then I'm not a drinkin' gal) :)
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Pippa

When I was a student in Dundee (yes, I know that is in Scotland but bear with me) I was always amused by two very english customs in the town, the first was the buster, a meat pie with mushy peas on the top, and secondly, the practice of putting gravy on top of your chips.  Both of these customs seem to originate in the North of England and I presume that they sneaked in when Dundee was a major whaling port.  In my home town, the fish must be haddock and you put chippy sauce on (a mixture of brown sauce and vinegar).  The best chips are double fried in dripping (quicklyat 190 degrees and then more slowly at 140 degrees).  Good chip shops I have frequented are Mary's Cafe in Whitby and the Ashvale in Aberdeen.

Pubs and night clubs need different licences there are also private members clubs which require people to become members to enter.

Boy, are we going way off topic!
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King Malachite

This thread is making me hungry.

You make me want to visit england someday.   :)
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Padma

Come on over - we have lardless food too, tha' knows :).
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Padma

I guess I really meant "lard" in its more generic sense of grease-laden, deep-fried and all that. You can still get lardy cakes in Edinburgh, if your tastes run to rancid animal fat :).

I've been really missing falafel in pitta bread, which is becoming another English standard (glad to discover gluten-free pitta, but it lacks structural integrity when moist, so falafel is hazardous).
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Naturally Blonde

Now back to the original topic! from a gender acceptance point of view England or the U.K is probably better than a lot of countries. But if you live in the inner cities you may find it harder than those in more accepting towns like Norwich.

But the economic climate, the high unemployment problem, the minimum wage, the very high cost of food and living compared to the USA and other countries, the very high taxes, the eradication of the NHS etc makes me want to move to another country. Many people who are transsexual are struggling in this country just to survive, let alone be able to pay for their treatment costs if they find the NHS is not helping them. 

I also think that other countries have much better systems in place to deal with the treatment of gender dysphoria. The NHS is still in the Victorian age and after going through that horrendous NHS path for over 6 years I'm convinced I would have been far better off in the USA, Germany or Holland. Private healthcare in the U.K is still limited but it hasn't helped matters when meddling NHS GIC psychiatrists try and put more experienced private consultants who are doing a very good job out of business.
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Steffi

Just to add balance to the view -
I don't know why you spent 6 years in the system, did you have other issues complicating things?
It was 3 years almost to the day from me first telling GP that I was transsexual to lying me down on the operating table at CX for my SRS.
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Pica Pica

Quote from: A on January 23, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
What's the difference between a club and a pub?

Ideally, one is a dark dingy place where you find a corner for yourself and friends, drink pints and pints of locally brewed beer and sort out all the problems of the world and joke and laugh and feel like monarch of all you survey. The people at the bar know your name and sometimes fling some free nuts at you or a free pint. There is a juke box with quiet music, usually some old men playing dominoes, and a dart board. - My local is like this, I love it.

Ideally, the other is a big room, with lots of cheap drink that plays lots of 50s rock and roll and 60s girl groups where you drink yourself dizzy and dance yourself sweaty.
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Pippa

Lard is pig fat, dripping is beef fat.  Some pastry contains suet, also animal fat.  Fish and chips cooked properly shoulnn't be greasy.  By hot frying at 190 degrees the insinde should be sealed and fat should not enter the fish or potato.  When put in the cooler 140 degree oil the fish/potato should cook in it's own steam.  The worst diet in Britain is the West Central belt of Scotland where they will deep fry anything. Deep fried Pizza is particularly disgusting as the dough soaks up oil like a sponge (yes, they do deep fry pizza).   However, if you avoid the crap, food in the UK is extremely varied and you can eat virtually any world cuisine.  Portion sizes are luckily far smaller than in the US.

As for trans safety, I would avoid Lothian Road in Edinburgh, it is usually full of pissed up idiots.  I would't go into the pink triangle of Broughton Street/Picardy Place/ Royal terrace unaccompanied.  Although this is the main centre for the LGBT community in Edinburgh, there are lots of very dodgy gay pick up and cruising spots and quite a bit of homophobic crime.
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Padma

I hadn't clocked that lard is pig fat (makes sense, since lard is French for bacon :)). But dripping can be any animal fat - beef dripping is beef, etc. I can't believe I'm being pedantic about this, sorry - waiting for breakfast (fish pie - hormones make you do the wacky).
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spacial

Good food anywhere on these islands is amazing. But food, like so many things, is modified by finance. Hence, frying at low temperatures, because it's cheaper, for example.

In the days when i did regularly go out to eat, my days in Edinburgh as it happens, I found that resturants tend to be at their best in their first 12 months. After that, with a regular client base, they would be bought out, costs cut to increase profit, so reduce standards. One, I recall, started in West Bow. It served sort of German/Italian type food with a very British accent. Kinda tacky, with wooden floors and wads of paper under the table legs. In the toilets, the walls were painted with black poster paint, so people would bring in a pocket full of chalk and write things on the wall. When it was bought out, they lowered cooking tempertures and used cheap bread.

For some reason, the British seem to generally make disgusting bread.

If all the places I've lived, I have to say I miss Edinburgh the most. It will be a very different place today of course, but it was always so exciting in a very stayed sort of way. Like an alien could arrive from outer space and someone might comment, 'Aye weel, so wit else is happenin'?'.

Great thread by the way.
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Padma

Best vegetarian restaurant I ever went to was in Edinburgh, run by the people who brought us Pierre Victoire, but called Pierre Lapin (Peter Rabbit :)). Goddamn, was there a lot of cream involved... and cute waiters ;D.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Steffi on January 24, 2012, 11:16:18 AM
Just to add balance to the view -
I don't know why you spent 6 years in the system, did you have other issues complicating things?
It was 3 years almost to the day from me first telling GP that I was transsexual to lying me down on the operating table at CX for my SRS.

Well aren't you the lucky one! and no I didn't have any other issues! I started my transition in 2001 and have been FT ever since.

Those of you who seem to have an easy ride with the U.K NHS GIC system are quick to criticise those of us who have had a hard time with the NHS GIC without knowing the facts. I for one do not love England and don't spend much time there anymore.
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Cindy

Just to de-rail slightly :laugh:
The last time I was in the UK, about 15 yrs ago we went for a pub lunch somewhere in Yorkshire. Rogan Josh was the days special on the blackboard, my USA born wife looked at it and asked whether it was some strange dish like Yorkshire pudding.
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El

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on January 25, 2012, 11:17:57 PM
Well aren't you the lucky one! and no I didn't have any other issues! I started my transition in 2001 and have been FT ever since.

Those of you who seem to have an easy ride with the U.K NHS GIC system are quick to criticise those of us who have had a hard time with the NHS GIC without knowing the facts. I for one do not love England and don't spend much time there anymore.

Wow, im sorry you have had such a hard time of it. I dont really know anyone who has got bad to say about the NHS in regards to the GIC, im annoyed as they set me back 6 months with some lost paperwork but 6 years? How did that happen, what was the problem?
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Pippa

Ok, Iam only at the start of the process but things seem to have changed a bit.  I remember the BBC series 'Sex Change' which followed a patient through the process.  That was in the early 80's and it was obvious that the clinic staff were deliberately making transition as difficult as possible.

So far I have found the NHS staff brilliant and they even address the bad press they got on their website.

Re food in the UK.  It is one of the great things about the UK is that we are willing to experience the cuisines of the world.  Not only that we are willing to fuse techniques and flavours and try something new.  In my local town, you can eat Thai, Chinese, Indian, Mongolian, french, Italian and Argentinian and that is only a small regional town.

British food gets a bad rap.  Like any cuisine, cooked badly it is horrible but cooked well it can match any other cuisine in the world.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: El on January 26, 2012, 01:55:51 AM
Wow, im sorry you have had such a hard time of it. I dont really know anyone who has got bad to say about the NHS in regards to the GIC, im annoyed as they set me back 6 months with some lost paperwork but 6 years? How did that happen, what was the problem?

I will PM you off forum with more details but there are plenty of people who have had bad experiences over the years with the London NHS GIC. They set me back over six years within a twelve year transitional time period. You mention they lost your paperwork, well they mixed my paperwork up with another patient of a similar name and age which caused an awful lot of problems. This was not exposed until I asked the Healthcare Commission to investigate them on my behalf.
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