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Couple questions about T

Started by Hayzer12, March 11, 2012, 09:05:20 AM

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Hayzer12

Hey guys, I should probably be calling my doctor about this but I actually had some questions.

I am a little over five months on T

My first 10 shots were every week, and my voice deepened A LOT during those weeks... but after those 10 weeks, I have been taking shots every other week. They're still pretty high doses, but I haven't really been seeing any changes? I mean I may be getting more body hair, but I'm not sure. I have quite a lot on my stomach and the hairs on my arms are getting darker, but other than that.. not really anything. My voice doesn't even seem to be as deep as it was before. I'm not really sure why. Has this happened to anyone else? I mean I haven't called to check up on my T levels since the last time I went to get blood work(have been busy with school and what not) but I am taking the dose he prescribed to me but it is every other week instead of every week like it was previously. I am just hoping that my levels aren't lowering due to the fact that I am not taking them every week like I was previously.



Before I keep jabbering on, I guess I'll just sum it up: Have any of you noticed differences in your voice? When it deepens does it ever get higher later on? I mean I don't sound like a female in anyway, but it seemed to be deeper before. Have any of you reached a point around five months where you couldn't really notice much changes until a later point in your transition?

I pass 100 percent, but I was just a little concerned
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Devin87

You might just be used to it now and so it doesn't seem as deep as it initially did.  Or perhaps as it was first changing you might have been hoarse and now that hoarseness is clearing up.  I'm pretty sure that once a voice deepens, it can't get any higher.  That's not to say you can't use it differently to make it higher, but voices can only get lower, not higher.
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Hayzer12

Quote from: Devin87 on March 11, 2012, 09:40:58 AM
You might just be used to it now and so it doesn't seem as deep as it initially did.  Or perhaps as it was first changing you might have been hoarse and now that hoarseness is clearing up.  I'm pretty sure that once a voice deepens, it can't get any higher.  That's not to say you can't use it differently to make it higher, but voices can only get lower, not higher.

See that's what I had thought, but I swear it seems higher - I have thought so for a few weeks now. My mom actually said something about it today, and it concerned me that other people were noticing it as well. I mean it is no where near a female range, but it still bothers me.

I mean I know a lot of guys go of T after their voice reaches the point that they want... but idk. It's also the fact that I have stopped seeing changes. I guess I am reaching a point in which it takes longer to produce the rest or something.. idk

But the voice thing still is weird as hell. It may have been that I was hoarse, but my voice never sounded hoarse - at least to me.
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Bahzi

I'll never understand why doctors switch people to bi-weekly injections.  Most studies agree that the half-life of testosterone cypionate and ethanate are at best, 8 days.  Some studies suggest it can be more like 5 days.  I personally felt like ->-bleeped-<- by day 10 when I was on bi weekly shots(I switched to weekly after the first few months).

Anyways, yes, my voice does get higher sometimes, particularly right before it drops again, but also randomly.  I've been on T for almost a year, and there's been periods where I thought it wasn't dropping more or I'd be speaking higher again and had problems with resonance.  Things get reedy and nasal sometimes.  Overall though, it's still dropping, although recordings are the only way to tell with all the ups and downs.  Until your vocal cords adjust and stabilize, you can expect some variation in pitch one way or the other, it's normal.

I doubt it has much to do with the shot cycles, although there's some evidence that changes may happen faster with weekly shots, since T levels are more frequently in the male range. 
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Dominick_81

I get my shot every other week and that's why I don't think I've had changes in 1 year. So now that your taking your shot every other week it could be the reason why you not getting changes as fast as you like.
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Adio

I do my shots every other week like a lot of guys.  I've had great, steady changes.  The only problem I have with taking it on this schedule is my acne will flare up a couple days before my next shot.

People's bodies react differently to T.  If you're taking the same dose every other week, not doubling it, then your levels might be going down.  For example (these are totally made up numbers!) let's say you previously took 1000 mg every week.  Now if you are taking 1000 mg every other week (versus taking 2000 mg every other week), then yeah, it's definitely possible your levels have dropped.  Your doctor would be able to make that assessment for sure.
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Arch

Quote from: Dominick_81 on March 11, 2012, 08:55:55 PM
I get my shot every other week and that's why I don't think I've had changes in 1 year. So now that your taking your shot every other week it could be the reason why you not getting changes as fast as you like.

As I recall, you were on a very low dose as well, something like 40-50% as much as other guys are getting in the first five years. Did you ever go up at all?

Stilsk, a couple of guys have said that their voices seemed to go up a bit after going down. I'm not sure why it happened, though.

I do think it's odd that you went from once a week to biweekly. I did the reverse. How do you feel on biweekly shots? Some guys (like me) will get mood troughs toward the end of the two weeks.
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Hayzer12

Quote from: Arch on March 11, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
As I recall, you were on a very low dose as well, something like 40-50% as much as other guys are getting in the first five years. Did you ever go up at all?

Stilsk, a couple of guys have said that their voices seemed to go up a bit after going down. I'm not sure why it happened, though.

I do think it's odd that you went from once a week to biweekly. I did the reverse. How do you feel on biweekly shots? Some guys (like me) will get mood troughs toward the end of the two weeks.

I feel tired all the time lol. I don't like being on the biweekly shots at all. I definitely get some mood swings. Half of this vial is gone, so in another couple months I will have to go back and get a renewed script.. hopefully he puts me back on weekly shots. I'm on a high dose, but it still sucks.

I probably should call and ask how my T levels were for last time, but I've been busy and haven't been able to. I really don't think he would change the script even if my levels were low, do you think? After he's issued the script, do you think he would have wanted to double it? I took the no call as an indication that my levels were what he expected(they usually call a week or so after I get the blood work to let me know if everything is copacetic)
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Quote from: Dominick_81 on March 11, 2012, 08:55:55 PM
I get my shot every other week and that's why I don't think I've had changes in 1 year. So now that your taking your shot every other week it could be the reason why you not getting changes as fast as you like.

It doesn't really work that way.  If you get a dose of X every two weeks, and changed those shots to weekly you would take X/2 per week, not X every week. 

The only thing it does is evens out the levels of T in your body.  On a biweekly shot schedule you are more likely to have highs and lows than to keep an even keel.


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tvc15

If you self-inject you could try injecting half of your dose weekly instead of the full dose biweekly. I was put on a lowish biweekly dose and was having real problems with mood swings, among other things, so I started injecting weekly. I'm still getting the same amount of T per month, just more often, and my mood has stabilized. It's still a low dose though, and I feel like I haven't made significant progress since about 16 weeks in, so I'm going to try talking to my doctor about it


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anibioman

your voice cant get higher because when your vocal cords thicken they cant ungrow. try using the lower end of your range. also its easier to notice big changes i dont think your shots being mor spred out will hinder the effects of T. if you want to really be able to see changes take a picture of your self every day or every week fir a while and then look at them all and you'll see a difference.

Dominick_81

Quote from: Arch on March 11, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
As I recall, you were on a very low dose as well, something like 40-50% as much as other guys are getting in the first five years. Did you ever go up at all?

Nope. I'm still at the same dosage. My doctor said my T levels were in the male range. I'm getting a blood test tomorrow to check my T levels to see if the T is running out of my body by the 2nd week or running low.



Quote from: Andy8715 on March 12, 2012, 02:15:34 AM
It doesn't really work that way.  If you get a dose of X every two weeks, and changed those shots to weekly you would take X/2 per week, not X every week. 

The only thing it does is evens out the levels of T in your body.  On a biweekly shot schedule you are more likely to have highs and lows than to keep an even keel.

I see.
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supremecatoverlord

Quote from: Dominick_81 on March 12, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
Nope. I'm still at the same dosage. My doctor said my T levels were in the male range. I'm getting a blood test tomorrow to check my T levels to see if the T is running out of my body by the 2nd week or running low.



I see.
There's a difference between being in low male range and average male range for someone your age.
If you can find your actual levels out somehow, it might be helpful to see where they actually fall.
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Dominick_81

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Arch

Dominick, I had my T levels tested last year, but by my regular doctor rather than the T clinic. It was his idea; the clinic doesn't see the point of checking T levels. Anyway, I was told that my levels were really high, but (as near as I can tell) they are only high for a cis guy of my age--which I am not. They didn't look high for a trans guy who is still going through puberty.

But still, some guys have high T all their lives and some don't. The clinic seems to take the very sensible approach that if you're happy with the changes and are healthy in all other respects, your T level doesn't really matter.

You're not happy with the changes, so it seems reasonable to consider a higher dose--and maybe to check your levels.

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