Branded by birth name for life: Obamacare RFID chips in 2013

[dalebert]

I've been unable to verify the claim that ships were moved before the Pearl Harbor attack in the manner described in the video. Anyone know how to check something like that? Basic Internet searches aren't doing it for me. Not sure I care enough to spend too much effort on it. Just kind of curious. They should link their references when they make extraordinary claims like that.

[Beth Andrea]

Well the credit card replaced cash for most things a log time ago.  Heck half the people at Starbucks seem to be using those cards. 

It's different when consumers make that decision on an individual basis...and they can always go back to cash if they deem it appropriate. But, when the .gov says, "Thou shalt use a debit card, and not cash" that gets into control. And of course, one can always borrow another's card and deceive the powers that be...hence the chip in the arm: it is not transferable.

But like I said earlier, I don't see it (cashless society, chip in the arm) happening yet. My guess is as good as anyone's, but considering how touchy "some" people are about it, I'd say another 2-3 mini-generations or so. ("Mini-generation" = in school, there's a sense of what is cool,, based on what the previous class thought was cool...have to be different, but after 5-8 years what was "cool" then is seriously "old hat" now.)

But it's your phone that is going to replace/enhance the card (many here have RRF in them, so you only tag the card as it is), I see the entire pay by smartphone deal exploding.

Phones can be transferred/used just like a debit card, so there are limitations for using a phone as a control device.

[tekla]

How about all the photos that were taken of Pearl Harbor both during and immediately after the attack?  There are tons of them.  Lots and lots show all the boats and ships in the harbor.  Second, isn't the Navy in the business of moving ships hither, dither and yon?  Sure they are.  To move them from San Diego to Pearl might make sense considering that Pearl would be the forward base if a war came with Japan.  What kind of refurbishing docks do they have at Pearl vs. San Deigo?

We know the carriers were out at sea on maneuvers (but again, Navy ships are frequently out on maneuvers) but several of the ships sunk at Pearl were pretty main line.  One I would think they would not have wanted to lose.  However much of the power of the conspiracy argument revolves around those aircraft carriers not being there.  Then again, if they had known, if they could have laid in wait, all the planes up in the air and not parked next to each other on runways, if all the guns would have been manned and loaded - then why not just blow the Japanese navel air force into oblivion and totally destroy it, while bombing their (now) defenseless fleet into the deep of the Pacific?  If they would have known with enough time, that's what they would have done.

[Beth Andrea]

I've been unable to verify the claim that ships were moved before the Pearl Harbor attack in the manner described in the video. Anyone know how to check something like that? Basic Internet searches aren't doing it for me. Not sure I care enough to spend too much effort on it. Just kind of curious. They should link their references when they make extraordinary claims like that.

One of the tell-tale marks of most outlandish "conspiracy" claims is the lack of references.

Please note that not all conspiracy claims are outlandish, and to be dismissed...if the world is going to hell in a handbasket, the people who are paying attention to things will seem to be "conspiracy nuts". It's all too easy to think, "Ah jeez! Here's another nutcase!"

You can filter out a lot of the nonsense by noting how much emotional argument is used, and how much (if any) references are given.

I'm not going to look into it, because I think the USG/FDR knew about the attacks in advance, and allowed them to go on, because of other evidence I know about.

[Beth Andrea]

How about all the photos that were taken of Pearl Harbor both during and immediately after the attack?  There are tons of them.  Lots and lots show all the boats in the harbor.  Second, isn't the Navy in the business of moving ships hither, dither and yon?  Sure they are.  To move them from San Diego to Pearl might make sense considering that Pearl would be the forward base if a war came with Japan.  What kind of refurbishing docks do they have at Pearl vs. San Deigo?

Ships would have been moved in the weeks or months previous to the attack, not the "day of" nor "immediately after."

We know the carriers were out at sea on maneuvers (but again, Navy ships are frequently out on maneuvers) but several of the ships sunk at Pearl were pretty main line.  One I would think they would not have wanted to lose.  However much of the power of the conspiracy argument revolves around those aircraft carriers not being there.  Then again, if they had known, if they could have laid in wait, all the planes up in the air and not parked next to each other on runways, if all the guns would have been manned and loaded - then why not just blow the Japanese navel air force into oblivion and totally destroy it, while bombing their (now) defenseless fleet into the deep of the Pacific?  If they would have known with enough time, that's what they would have done.

1. iirc, most of the ships sunk were returned to active duty within a few months of the attack; the exception being the Arizona, which was a WW1 battleship--and totally obsolete by 1941 standards.

2. Carrier planes are not the same as land-based planes.

3. The purpose of allowing Japan to attack was to provide an event that the American public could rally behind, and get us into WW2. There was a strong sense of "isolationism" in the US because of WW1, where the public felt we'd been lied to in order to help England defeat Germany (true story, btw; but off topic). The US knew that with the Axis' Tripartete agreement, if we declared war on Japan, Germany would declare war on us; and soon after we declared war on Germany, and set our #1 priority with the defeat of Germany--not Japan.

There is more to this, of course, but let's not get too far off topic.