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Started by Alyx., March 03, 2012, 02:18:02 PM

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Shantel

Quote from: Stephe on March 05, 2012, 10:52:29 PM
My rule has always been, use the bathroom least likely to cause a problem.

Good plan Stephe! I always use the bathroom least likely to cause a problem given my circumstances also!

Quote from: Stephe on March 05, 2012, 10:52:29 PM
As far as shantels case of being in t shirt and jeans all sweaty from yard work and totally not passable, I wouldn't be out in public like that :P

I wear them because I own a house and do yard work and am doing a remodeling upgrade, so it's pointless for me to consider going to Home Depot enfemme. Although I could hold my own in an all girl contest, I want to be clear that using a woman's room or a man's room without being clocked doesn't meet my idea of criteria for my personal validation. It used to, but there came a day when I realized that it was much more important to be able to pull it off quietly without disrupting other people's serenity in the process.
 
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Gretchen

Quote from: Shantel on March 06, 2012, 01:45:47 PM
there came a day when I realized that it was much more important to be able to pull it off quietly without disrupting other people's serenity in the process.

Now Shantel that's just crazy talk, next time you need to wee in a public bathroom be sure to bring your gas powered weed eater, or a nail gun. Which ever seems to be appropriate for the location of the bathroom.
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Shantel

Quote from: Gretchen on March 06, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Now Shantel that's just crazy talk, next time you need to wee in a public bathroom be sure to bring your gas powered weed eater, or a nail gun. Which ever seems to be appropriate for the location of the bathroom.
Will my 25 foot Stanley tape clipped in my belt be sufficient?  ;)
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Heartwood (Alex) on March 03, 2012, 03:02:32 PM
I'm just curious how the law works.

So a transwoman who's been on hormones for years and is presenting as female but still doesn't quite pass has to use the mens, hmm?

There was a case in the U.K press several years ago about three or four transwomen who didn't pass very well but were post op and used the ladies washroom/toilet and the publican took them to court as cis women were complaining that men were in their washroom. The case eventually went to court and the transwomen lost the case!

Here's another more recent case from 2011:
http://www.passportmagazine.com/blog/archives/2679-transgender-woman-banned-for-life-for-using-ladies-room-at-the-cosmopolitan-hotel-in-las-vegas.htm
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Gretchen

Quote from: Shantel on March 07, 2012, 07:57:25 AM
Will my 25 foot Stanley tape clipped in my belt be sufficient?  ;)

Only if it is FatMax, nothing and I mean nothing else will do.
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Shantel

Oh Gretchen, you're good!  :laugh: FatMax? I'd have to wear suspenders  ;D
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rachl

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on March 07, 2012, 08:21:09 AM
There was a case in the U.K press several years ago about three or four transwomen who didn't pass very well but were post op and used the ladies washroom/toilet and the publican took them to court as cis women were complaining that men were in their washroom. The case eventually went to court and the transwomen lost the case!

Here's another more recent case from 2011:
http://www.passportmagazine.com/blog/archives/2679-transgender-woman-banned-for-life-for-using-ladies-room-at-the-cosmopolitan-hotel-in-las-vegas.htm

I'd like to see a link to the court case. I'm sure the devil's in the details.

As for the Vegas incident, that's different, since there are different protections (or lack thereof) in the US and it's different from state to state and city to city. For example, if this happened in Canada, there'd be a human rights complaint and the plaintiff would win. (There are lots of cases dating back to at least 1996. See Tawni Sheridan v Sanctuary Investments Ltd. doing business as "B.J.'s Lounge." The decision was in 1999 by the BC Human Rights Tribunal in the favour of the plaintiff. It was one of many benchmark cases for BC and Canada.)

Although we're trying to change it, in Canada, TG persons are protected against discrimination under the "or...sex" part of anti-discrimination laws. We're trying to include gender identity and expression as a protected class, but courts have consistently been giving protections under the "or...sex" part of the laws.

Some excerpts:
Both Mr. Winckler and Mr. Stephenson testified that they had received complaints from female patrons of the Respondent about men using the women's washroom. However, the preference of patrons is not a defence to a complaint of discrimination: Hajla v. Nestoras (Welland Plaza Restaurant) (1987), 8 C.H.R.R. D/3879 (Ont. Bd. Inq.) at D/3882.

Based on Dr. Robinow's evidence, I find that transsexuals in transition who are living as members of the desired sex should be considered to be members of that sex for the purposes of human rights legislation. Taking this view, the Complainant, on August 25, 1995, was a woman and, therefore, her choice of the women's washroom was appropriate. The Respondent did not lead any evidence to establish that the use of women's washrooms by a male-to-female transsexual interfered with the "maintenance of public decency".

As transsexuals are protected on the grounds of sex and physical or mental disability, I conclude that the Respondent's washroom policy discriminated against the Complainant on both these grounds, contrary to section 8 of the Code.
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barbie

Even though women's bath room never caused any problem, I sometimes use men's, especially when I am with my family or close friends. Men tend to be surprised, goint ouot to check again the door sign.

Women's bath room is a kind of protected place for women. They fix their makeup and do other things that they do not want to show to men.

I also once chatted with one of my female friends who sat next to my room in the women's public bathroom. She knew well I am a man, but understood my situation.

Using men's causes so many troubles, then why should not I use women's?

In my country, too many people violate too many minor laws, especially traffic offences. And the police is too busy chasing other serious crimes, and traffic offences or toilet issues can not be any considerable issues for them until somebody brings it to the court, which is way too expensive to initiate as an individual.

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