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Started by Trixie, March 08, 2012, 08:57:41 AM

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Trixie

I feel like... transitioning isn't right for me. But I still consider myself trans. I have always thought of myself as more of a girl than a boy, and yes, I have the body problems, but I don't feel like I NEED to transition. It would be nice if it were socially acceptable to do it and the consequences weren't terrible, but that's not the world I live in.

Basically, I feel like I am a trans person with low dysphoria. Don't get me wrong... sometimes it does get bad, and I do cry about it. I just think... that staying physically male is preferable to the consequences transitioning and being "open" would incur.

Am I crazy? Am I not really trans? Or in denial? Or what?

Another thing I worry about is how I may be okay with being a guy now, but I might not always be that way in the future... I know that my episodes of more intense dysphoria sort of... come and go.
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Trixie

Low concentration estrogen? What would that do I wonder?

Basically, I SOMETIMES get very upset about my maleness, but sometimes I'm really okay with it, and feel sort of silly about wanting to be female so badly earlier. This is why I have considered the "bigender" label in the past, though I feel a ways more female than male. :/

My dysphoria and sadness about the situation is normally set off by my "triggers".
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lilacwoman

periodic hormones surges - from various causes - are well known for causing cycles of feeling to be TS when really the person may have doubts about living the life they want

if things get really bad you coudl get some input from agood therapist but then it woudl be simpler, quicker and cheaper to go to your local gay area where the TBLG crowd hang out and see who you want to be like or feel like or would like to have as a partner.

aas you've always had your present body and lifestyle its natural to feel that changing/throwing it away woudl be wrong but thats what most TS do and are glad they did.
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Kelly J. P.

 The urge to transition may or may not gradually get stronger and more frequent as time passes, like a positive-feedback reaction. This is what I experienced from 12 to 17 - I started thinking about it more and more often. From weekly, to daily, to hourly... it became the only thing that was ever on my mind, and I seemed obsessed with it. After it was done getting frequent, it became stronger, which then pushed me to do anything to transition.

I don't know why you don't want to transition - the consequences aren't as bad as some make them out to be if you pass. I haven't had to face any 'consequences' so far in my life because of it, and as time passes and I'm on hormones longer... well, it gets less possible.

It's up to you. You can be male for the rest of your life - a long time - or you can transition and be female, which might take a couple years. Either way... you have to think about the long term. Can you live with being male forever? More importantly, could you be very happy every day as a male?

:) I could not, personally. I could do it, but it would kill my spirit.
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Trixie

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on March 08, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
I don't know why you don't want to transition - the consequences aren't as bad as some make them out to be if you pass. I haven't had to face any 'consequences' so far in my life because of it, and as time passes and I'm on hormones longer... well, it gets less possible.

Being rejected by family and friends, losing job opportunities, dealing with harrasment and hate... those things I worry about.

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on March 08, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
It's up to you. You can be male for the rest of your life - a long time - or you can transition and be female, which might take a couple years. Either way... you have to think about the long term. Can you live with being male forever? More importantly, could you be very happy every day as a male?

:) I could not, personally. I could do it, but it would kill my spirit.

I think I can handle being a man and I think I can be happy. I won't lie, the desire to transition DOES creep into my head from time to time, but I think I will be okay. As I said, I don't believe my dysphoria is nearly as bad as it is for many people. My only concern is, like others have said, whether or not my dysphoria will grow over time and become unbearable.  :(

RIGHT NOW though, I am okay.
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Kelly J. P.

 I don't know your situation, but you might not end up making those sacrifices. Losing friends is probable - though to be fair, I wouldn't be friends with people closed-minded enough to freak out at transes. My family reacted negatively, but came around later, job opportunity loss is not a factor, as you can present male until presenting female works out, and harassment and hate only arise if you don't pass - which again can be avoided by presenting as male until you look female.

The only problem that transitioning would create would be the coming out period. That is, when you start full-time. Depending on the people in your life, you might have to start fresh, but... it could, just the same, turn out just fine.

And to note, dysphoria doesn't have to be bad to transition. For myself, transition was a way to be happy - I could have lived as male, but being female makes me much happier. I have a bit of dysphoria, but most of my dislike for things like my genitals are pragmatic in nature.

Perhaps being optimistic isn't realistic where you are, though. The US certainly seems like a more hostile place than its northern neighbour... and I apologize if my assumption about your nationality is false. I do think that horror stories are fairly infrequent, however...

Do what your heart tells ya. But let it know that doom and gloom is a rarer find than it is led to believe. :)
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Trixie

Yeah, I'm American, though I do live in a Liberal/Progressive part of it. It doesn't really matter all that much though. Transgender people aren't really accepted anywhere. Even by Liberals and even by others on the LGBT spectrum. I'm surprised at how much trans-hate comes from people who themselves are LGBT. :(

And I wish my family would accept it, but I'm relatively certain they wouldn't. I am pretty sure I would have to lose them. I am a College student and they pay for my education and I live with them. My entire future would be at risk if I came out.  I'm much too scared to talk to them about it anyway so it matters not.

It's just something I can't do. It's not worth it.

Also, as I have said, I think I can be happy as a guy. I am happy now. I do not have a burning desire to transition. I will not kill myself or anything if I don't. I don't even want to do it sometimes. It's just a small, nagging kind of want. I actually think NOT doing it is preferable, in my situation. I don't think I could take the emotional trauma anyway.
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spacial

Quote from: Trixie on March 08, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
I feel like... transitioning isn't right for me. But I still consider myself trans.

Sounds perfectly sensible to me.
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Kelly J. P.

Quote from: Trixie on March 08, 2012, 03:49:01 PM
Yeah, I'm American, though I do live in a Liberal/Progressive part of it. It doesn't really matter all that much though. Transgender people aren't really accepted anywhere. Even by Liberals and even by others on the LGBT spectrum. I'm surprised at how much trans-hate comes from people who themselves are LGBT. :( ........

Then you're perfect :) Doing what makes you happy is the point of this transition. If it won't make you happier, or would only by a little bit with high probability of negative reactions, then living male is a good choice.

Generally, the people that are haunted by the need to transition know that things will only get worse. Being unsure... perhaps it won't for you. And that's perfectly good.

:)
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Trixie

Kelly, you're really sort of refreshing. Let me say that first of all. *hugs*

I don't mean to say that I'm totally okay with it, and I'm not saying I am sure I never will transition either. I hate feeling trapped, and I was feeling trapped when I made this thread. On the one hand I DO have a strong desire to be female*, but I hate the feeling of being pushed into a corner. So many trans resources seem to suggest that I WILL transition, without a doubt, or that I don't even have a choice in the matter, or that if I DO choose not to, then that means I wasn't trans in the first place. :/

I don't want to make a decision now, basically, but I am leaning towards "no". That's all.

*I guess I consider myself a woman regardless of being closeted and regardless of my hormones and what I have down there. It helps me cope.
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Beverley on March 08, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
Someone from the Androgyne section mentioned it a couple of days ago as giving relief from GID but without the physical changes that normal doses give.

That would have been me that mentioned that.

My GID episodes were getting out of hand and when i was having them i was seriously considering some rash actions. I'm bigender and i was totally under the spell of my female self when in girl mode. The noise level in my head was unbearable, and the repeating thoughts ("I'm a girl" over and over again) were simply too much.

Low dose HRT stopped all of that cold - my gender flips still happen but it's very subtle now, not the heated rush like it was before. I have no desire to transition and i enjoy not being thrust in that direction anymore. I do indulge my girl mode from time to time and enjoy it.

But before we rush to hormones - Are you seeing a therapist to talk over your feelings?
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Jamie D

Quote from: riven1 on March 08, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
That would have been me that mentioned that.

My GID episodes were getting out of hand and when i was having them i was seriously considering some rash actions. I'm bigender and i was totally under the spell of my female self when in girl mode. The noise level in my head was unbearable, and the repeating thoughts ("I'm a girl" over and over again) were simply too much.

Low dose HRT stopped all of that cold - my gender flips still happen but it's very subtle now, not the heated rush like it was before. I have no desire to transition and i enjoy not being thrust in that direction anymore. I do indulge my girl mode from time to time and enjoy it.

But before we rush to hormones - Are you seeing a therapist to talk over your feelings?

I completely understand your experience.  I am bigendered as well, and low dose HRT has greatly helped me cope with my dysphoria and get to know myself better.
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Trixie

Quote from: riven1 on March 08, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
That would have been me that mentioned that.

My GID episodes were getting out of hand and when i was having them i was seriously considering some rash actions. I'm bigender and i was totally under the spell of my female self when in girl mode. The noise level in my head was unbearable, and the repeating thoughts ("I'm a girl" over and over again) were simply too much.

Low dose HRT stopped all of that cold - my gender flips still happen but it's very subtle now, not the heated rush like it was before. I have no desire to transition and i enjoy not being thrust in that direction anymore. I do indulge my girl mode from time to time and enjoy it.

But before we rush to hormones - Are you seeing a therapist to talk over your feelings?

I still live with my parents and are under their insurance. I don't know how I could go see a therapist without coming out. :( I... I have thought about telling my mom, but I really don't know how she'd react.

And I am becoming increasingly interested in the "bigender" label. Would it make sense if I was bigender, but female quite a lot more often than I was male? Inwardly, personality-wise I mean? Something to help my dysphoric feelings would be nice though. I would like to try hormones sometime in the future on the off-chance that that helps. I wish there was a way to better cope in the meantime though. I won't be able to get therapy (and hormones, by extension) for some time, I don't think.
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lilacwoman

lots of big cities have bars and clubs where likeminded men can go to dress up one or two nights a week to feel nice. go find your towns places.
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Trixie

Quote from: lilacwoman on March 09, 2012, 01:27:25 AM
lots of big cities have bars and clubs where likeminded men can go to dress up one or two nights a week to feel nice. go find your towns places.

I live in Dirthole, USA. Not a lot of bars I could go to. And I'm 20 anyway :P.

I've never felt a huge urge to cross-dress, which is quite odd for a tg person, I realize. Maybe it would help me feel better though? I think I will try that. Also, styling myself as an effeminate guy might help too, and that's something I have been planning on. I'm looking forward to buying clothes. :)
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Trixie on March 09, 2012, 01:21:13 AM
And I am becoming increasingly interested in the "bigender" label. Would it make sense if I was bigender, but female quite a lot more often than I was male? Inwardly, personality-wise I mean? Something to help my dysphoric feelings would be nice though. I would like to try hormones sometime in the future on the off-chance that that helps. I wish there was a way to better cope in the meantime though. I won't be able to get therapy (and hormones, by extension) for some time, I don't think.

Remember, these are just labels - you are a real, live, breathing person :) If you want a label just pick the one that you think best applies. No one will argue your choice.

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JenJen2011

If you can go through life without transitioning, that's great. You'll save yourself the trouble.
"You have one life to live so live it right"
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gennee

Trixie, I'm transgender also and am not going to transition. I never felt the need to have the surgery. I support those who will have the surgery.
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

Blog: www.difecta.blogspot.com
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Stephe

Quote from: Trixie on March 08, 2012, 02:46:42 PM
Being rejected by family and friends, losing job opportunities, dealing with harrasment and hate... those things I worry about.

I think I can handle being a man and I think I can be happy. I won't lie, the desire to transition DOES creep into my head from time to time, but I think I will be okay. As I said, I don't believe my dysphoria is nearly as bad as it is for many people. My only concern is, like others have said, whether or not my dysphoria will grow over time and become unbearable.  :(

RIGHT NOW though, I am okay.

I felt all the problems would be too much as well, but it turned out the reality was the problems never happened. My family is fine, I lost one friend and have gained a dozen to replace them, zero harassment even at my worst as far as being passable but yes you WILL lose male privilege.

I too thought I could handle being a man and was a "man" till I was 35. I slowly started to shift to andro and then around 47 I just couldn't take it anymore and started living full time as a woman. My only regret was I didn't transition earlier. I also feel today being trans isn't a huge deal, nothing like it was even 10 years ago. If you live in some horribly transphobic place, might make sense to focus on working towards moving to someplace where it's not as big a deal before you transition?
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luna nyan

Trixie,

If your feelings towards transition are ambivalent, then I would recommend slow, careful exploration.  It sounds as though you have some sort of coping mechanism that keeps your GID at a hum, rather than a dull roar or worse.  I really feel as though you need to talk to someone to help you sort out exactly where you stand and then come up with a way of managing over the long term.

Personally, mine comes at me with a vengeance after a sustained period of acquiescence.  I've managed to date, but I'm meeting the endo at end of this week to try and come up with something, but this is after a lot of consideration over a number of years.
Drifting down the river of life...
My 4+ years non-transitioning HRT experience
Ask me anything!  I promise you I know absolutely everything about nothing! :D
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