Female without the effects

[interesting]

Hello everyone 

I have a dumb question, and please remove anything that I may have posted against the rules

If you were prescribed a very small estrogen dose, would it be enough to make you feel better about yourself while not being enough to show physically? I have dreamed of being a girl for as long as I can remember. I do not have the stuff to break out to the world though. Everyday I am so sad that my mind ponders things it should never do. I want to know if a small dose would help these feelings while not being noticable

[Jamie D]

Hello everyone 

I have a dumb question, and please remove anything that I may have posted against the rules

If you were prescribed a very small estrogen dose, would it be enough to make you feel better about yourself while not being enough to show physically? I have dreamed of being a girl for as long as I can remember. I do not have the stuff to break out to the world though. Everyday I am so sad that my mind ponders things it should never do. I want to know if a small dose would help these feelings while not being noticable

There are a couple of threads about this issue in the Androgyne forum.

My own experience has been that, even in small doses, secondary sex characteristics will develop in time.

[nicole99]

I think the more important question is, what is holding you back from being yourself? And what do you need to progress?

[Medusa]

Low dose helped me for short time, but still better than nothing

[luna nyan]

As JamieD said, some changes even on low dose HRT are inevitable.  The question is whether or not they are going to be big enough to be noticeable by others around you.  The lower the dosages the more subtle the changes are likely to be.

Most certainly, if you're thinking about transition in the long term, then going on a blocker is not a bad idea.  There are quite a few threads on this around in the androgyne and HRT sections.

[carolinejeo]

Starting small may seem like a good idea but be warned: oestrogen is addictive!

Caroline

[Stephe]

Rather then estrogen, get on spironolactone. That will calm down your GID, sex drive, lower effects of T and for most people doesn't make -drastic- changes. It will change things, just not like this + E does.

-THIS- by itself made a huge difference in my metal outlook even though I was already living full time when I started on it. Enough where people around me noticed it changed me in a good way, a more kind/loving person.  You can get this prescribed by most GP's, who know -anything- about gender issues, without a hormone letter and therapy. Just have it prescribed for elevated blood pressure..

[Ultimus]

Rather then estrogen, get on spironolactone. That will calm down your GID, sex drive, lower effects of T and for most people doesn't make -drastic- changes. It will change things, just not like this + E does.

-THIS- by itself made a huge difference in my metal outlook even though I was already living full time when I started on it. Enough where people around me noticed it changed me in a good way, a more kind/loving person.  You can get this prescribed by most GP's, who know -anything- about gender issues, without a hormone letter and therapy. Just have it prescribed for elevated blood pressure..

This is dangerous advice. You biologically need either the male or female sex hormones. By just taking anti-androgens, you won't have either.

[Miki]

This is dangerous advice. You biologically need either the male or female sex hormones. By just taking anti-androgens, you won't have either.

You realize that anti-androgens are routinely used to treat issues that have nothing to do with gender, right?  Please cut back on the ignorance you're consistently spouting in so many threads here, and elsewhere, and actually do some reading before yammering.  Your understanding of how the endocrine system functions is baffling.

-Miki

[Seras]

You realize that anti-androgens are routinely used to treat issues that have nothing to do with gender, right?  Please cut back on the ignorance you're consistently spouting in so many threads here, and elsewhere, and actually do some reading before yammering.  Your understanding of how the endocrine system functions is baffling.

-Miki

Have fun getting osteoporosis among other potential problems.

[Miki]

Have fun getting osteoporosis among other potential problems.

More yammering.  Because, you know, calcium supplements and Vit D are so hard to come by...   Even for prostate cancer treatment, anti-androgens are rarely proscribed in a complete vacuum.

At the end of the day, anyone taking anything along these lines without proper medical supervision runs a greater risk of negative effects.  To proclaim something as "dangerous" while intentionally ignoring parallel treatments to mitigate those known and preventable risks is just simple and silly.  Any good GP or Endocrinologist will consider every risk factor before proscribing a course of treatment because you know, Medicine.

Anyone who Googles a few medications and makes the decision to self-diagnose or experiment with them is engaging in an accelerated natural selection process.

Stephe's suggestion was solid and one the OP might want to explore/discuss under proper medical supervision as a facet of addressing the overarching issue, whatever it might happen to be.  Refuting it with ignorance is disingenuous.

-Miki

[JenJen2011]

Are you not ready to start transition or are you not planning on it at all? I started taking HRT so that my body would start changing, not just to feel better about myself. Maybe instead of taking  hormones, you need to talk to a therapist? They can help make you feel better.

[Seras]

Yammer

No one mentioned anything about extra medications to offset the negative affects though did they.
The fact that you now mention that some measure must be taken to prevent negative health affects just proves the point.

Simply denying that a dangerous act is dangerous because you can take a precaution that you chose for whatever reason not to mention is irresponsible. Without taking the correct precautions anti androgens alone are not good for you. This is a fact.

[luna nyan]

Why so serious?
aka Why so bluntly confrontational in some of the posts above?

The OP has asked a simple enough question, and the answer in simple terms is maybe.  Interesting - if you haven't seen a therapist about your feelings I suggest you do so before you commit to taking medications that may possibly change your body irrevocably - some of the other posters have also suggested this as well.  This is especially so if you're looking at minimising any changes, you will need to be monitored closely so that the your hormone levels sit on a certain line so to speak.

What medications are appropriate for the OP is really not up for us to decide as we are not the treating doctors.  We can give our own personal experiences and that's it.  Regardless of what medications interesting may end up on - there are known side effects for all of them, and these are often dosage related rather than just "you take x, you will get this problem, 100% of the time", and some of the effects are _long term_ rather than an immediate concern.

[Stephe]

This is dangerous advice. You biologically need either the male or female sex hormones. By just taking anti-androgens, you won't have either.

*Sigh* you know how much spiro a normal person would have to take to flat line their hormone levels where this would be a problem? I've been on spiro for over a year now and was giving my PERSONAL experience on this.

Also given these would be PRESCRIBED BY A DOCTOR, if there were issues with just taking an AA for said person, the doctor will know and explain the risks and how to mitigate them. I'm NOT a doctor so I'm not going to pretend I know enough about this subject to tell them all the risks, that is why I tell people TALK TO A DOCTOR. Notice the OP also said "prescribed", doesn't sound like they intended to self medicate.

Also lots of people are on Spiro only for long periods of time, of course once again a doctor is or should be monitoring this. IMHO the negative side effects from spiro are much less fatal than the DVT/blood clot issues from estradiol.

Yes self medicating spiro by itself could be dangerous. So could taking E, even at low doses. And I highly doubt taking low does of E with no AA would do much of anything for the OP physically or mentally.

[Sarah Louise]

You need to take this posters other post in conjunction with this one to get an understanding of what is going on:

"Ok, this is embarrassing to the max! I have been on Estrofem for 3 days. I am so um  "aroused" that it actually almost hurts. Every little thing is triggering it yet half the time the erection disappears within a few minutes before i can even attempt to do anything about it (It's been bad enough to leave what i'm doing and try to stop it). What do I do?

Additionally, my stomach has been giving me diarrhea and my breast have doubled in size and i know that is NOT normal.

What does this mean"
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I am locking both threads since I do not believe this poster is being honest.