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Ironically, I don't pass

Started by VannaSiamese, April 04, 2012, 12:07:06 PM

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VannaSiamese

As some of you may know, I am or was a mtf for several years, but over the last year I've kinda grown to not like being a woman very much... Or rather, grown to miss being a boy. So, my plan is to live my spring/summer as a boy, and maybe go back to living as a girl over the winter depending on how this summer goes.

Recently, I've started dressing androgynous/boyish on the weekends and after work. I thought that it would be an easy jump back into manhood, but ironically I'm finding it just as hard as when I transitioned to female.. If not harder.  Oddly enough, I don't pass as a boy. I've been finding myself pointed to the women's restroom, approached and hit on by men, and still called miss everywhere I go. I've yet to be called he or sir.
To make matters even more confusing, I'm terrified of men now because I'm so little and feminine, which makes me more inclined to play the female role around them out of fear for my safety.

The other night I showed up at a club with jeans and a tank top on, Considering I'm still flat chested I figured it would scream boy. Oddly, I was greeted at the door as miss and eyed by men all night. I even asked a boy who approached me with his number, why do you not think I'm a guy? He said it was my face, my movements, my voice and how I carried myself. I feel like at this point I could walk down the street with my pants off and people would still call me she.  I'm beginning to see things from a ftms perspective, and they aren't really how I anticipated they would be. I never thought going out as a guy would be a fearful thing, but now that I am finding it a very scary and intimidating thought to be thrown in with the boys.  It's kinda putting a damper on my summer plans to go as a boy/androgynous.

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Felix

Summer seems like the hardest time for anybody to pass.
everybody's house is haunted
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Joeyboo~ :3

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emil

In case you still look the way you did in the picture you posted in the badass thread, I'd have to say it's the hair. It's long and pretty, so combined with your androgynous face, it screams female. When I passed as a boy with long hair, i sorta teased my hair in places or curled it, then brushed the curls, and often wore loose, messy ponytails.
If your eyebrows look very shaped, you can try colored eyebrow styling gel to "man" them up.
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Nygeel

Did you have laser or electro? It seems like stubble can go a long way.
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Jayr

Quote from: Felix on April 04, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
Summer seems like the hardest time for anybody to pass.
Weird. For me summer is the easiest time.

Shorts make my hips disappear.
Less clothes on, means more body hair is shown(armpits, legs..)
And I can wear nice fitting shirts to show people I have a flat chest.
(Thank you binder!)

I'm also a lot more confident during summer which most likely helps a lot too.
Maybe it's just me.






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VannaSiamese

Quote from: Felix on April 04, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
Summer seems like the hardest time for anybody to pass.
I wonder why that is?  I guess from lack of cloths?  I hate spending my summers as a girl... wearing bras and makeup when it's hot is such a nightmare.

Quote from: emil on April 04, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
In case you still look the way you did in the picture you posted in the badass thread, I'd have to say it's the hair. It's long and pretty, so combined with your androgynous face, it screams female. When I passed as a boy with long hair, i sorta teased my hair in places or curled it, then brushed the curls, and often wore loose, messy ponytails.
If your eyebrows look very shaped, you can try colored eyebrow styling gel to "man" them up.
A thought it was my hair too, although I pulled my hair back for a friend and she says I should keep it, that I look more feminine when exposing my whole face.  I was thinking about getting it cut short on one side, like an A line, and having it taper down to long on the other side.  I think that would be really neat, but very androgynous.

Quote from: Nygeel on April 04, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
Did you have laser or electro? It seems like stubble can go a long way.
I did have laser, I'm pretty smooth and shadow free as far as my face and most of my body go.

In all actuality I think it's kinda funny at the moment, since many years ago I wanted so bad to pass as a woman and now I have trouble not passing.  But, I can see this becoming a big problem if I go as a boy for the summer.  I desperately want to go to the beach and go bike riding with my shirt off, I miss that freedom so much. 
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Stephanie.Izann

Hi sweetie.
I've been following your journey on youtube for a while... and your talents. :)

I think people are more "fluid" than others. Meaning, they don't fit to the confines of a binary gender setting. I think it's very natural to think the way you do too. You've had some FFS and to tell you the truth, you didn't need much work. You are beautiful. There are people similar to you. I have several intersexed friends and some of them look like you. Not quite male, not quite female and they are very happy that way. There is no denying it is harder to be a woman in society...and even more so as a transwoman (for those that have problems passing). It is a hard journey sometimes full of tears. It's just as hard for our transbrothers. Although, society does accept them probably a bit more than us t-girls (at least in my eyes).
In my opinion, I think you should really take the time and enjoy this NEW journey you are on. Embrace the wonderful road you have embarked on and perhaps take the time to understand and digest things.  Sometimes, answers do not come as quickly as we would like. Enjoy being YOU and where you are at. I cannot truly imagine all that you are going through, so, my words may not resonate at all. If so, forgive me.

YOU are unique in all you are and do. Celebrate.

Many HUGS!
Stephie
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Alyx.

Vanna don't worry about it.

You just need some time dressing as a boy, seeing yourself as a boy, and just being a male in society.

Your male body language will come back. I'm sure of it. I've been dressing as a girl these past few days and I'm starting to act like a girl.
If you do not agree to my demands... TOO LATE
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Joelene9

Quote from: alyx. on April 04, 2012, 04:49:23 PM
Vanna don't worry about it.

You just need some time dressing as a boy, seeing yourself as a boy, and just being a male in society.

Your male body language will come back. I'm sure of it. I've been dressing as a girl these past few days and I'm starting to act like a girl.
That sounds like it.  The old saying "The clothes make the person" seems to ring true here.  I had a similar problem in the past of not taking my shirt off because I was quite thin with nothing on my chest! 
  Joelene
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The Passage

I've actually seen some of your videos from surfing YouTube, Vanna. You are very beautiful. And you looked happy!! Maybe it's not so much that you want to be a boy but more the desire to be androgynous? I've honestly tried wearing really girly stuff and it just doesn't work with me. But I have no desire to be a boy. I am happy, comfy, and safe living in the andro-zone myself. :P
"Magic is just science we don't understand yet." - Arthur C. Clarke
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VannaSiamese

Quote from: The Passage on April 05, 2012, 01:43:10 AM
I've actually seen some of your videos from surfing YouTube, Vanna. You are very beautiful. And you looked happy!! Maybe it's not so much that you want to be a boy but more the desire to be androgynous? I've honestly tried wearing really girly stuff and it just doesn't work with me. But I have no desire to be a boy. I am happy, comfy, and safe living in the andro-zone myself. :P

Well, it's a combination of both. As a woman I miss being a boy, and as a boy I wanted to be a woman. I love girls winter cloths, so I suspect I will do my winter as a woman. However, I love the freedom of being a boy in the summer, and that's also when I'm most physically active. So, I'm thinking boy in the summer, girl in the winter. Its just ive forgotten how to be male... How to stand, walk, socialize. I suppose i just need some practice, and some good cloths. And it's hard to live a boy role when everyone still views you as a woman

I guess I could just be androgynous all the time too, that's always an option.
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supremecatoverlord

Maybe you should see a therapist of some sort, because it's usually really hard for people to detransition when they've gone as far to pass as you have as female. There's probably something else going on in your life that I'm yet to (and maybe even you are yet to) understand.
Meow.



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MacKenzie

Quote from: VannaSiamese on April 04, 2012, 12:07:06 PM
Recently, I've started dressing androgynous/boyish on the weekends and after work. I thought that it would be an easy jump back into manhood, but ironically I'm finding it just as hard as when I transitioned to female.. If not harder.  Oddly enough, I don't pass as a boy. I've been finding myself pointed to the women's restroom, approached and hit on by men, and still called miss everywhere I go. I've yet to be called he or sir.
To make matters even more confusing, I'm terrified of men now because I'm so little and feminine, which makes me more inclined to play the female role around them out of fear for my safety.

  It was the same for me when I detransitioned, I tried to warn you. Sounds like you want the best of both worlds and i'm sorry but it doesn't work like that. I mean you can be feminine with a little bit of masculinity and vice-versa but you can only take it so far before it's starts confusing people and causes you stress.

  I'm gonna have to agree with Jason and say that you need to work this out with a gender specialist, good luck! xo
 
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Sub-Zero

'boy in the summer, girl in the winter'

Wow.
Good luck.
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