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Started by sysm29, April 19, 2012, 05:36:44 AM

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sysm29

"Transamerica" and "Boys Don't Cry" are the only movies I have ever saw about a transgender person.  They are extremely different movies.  Made six years apart, you can see the progression of our movement in how different these movies treat the subject.

"Boys Don't Cry" won an Oscar for Hilary Swank's heartbreaking performance as Brandon Teena, but following a tradition in Hollywood, the transgender character would be played by the opposite gender of what the character was.  Hilary is a woman who was playing a man.  I guess at the time it was not thought of that a male actor would play Brandon.

"Transamerica" is completely different.  Felicity Huffman, a mainstream television actress, who kinda represents the average, white, suburban, middle-aged American woman, a mainstream mom if you want to call her that, took on a role that nobody ever thought she'd play, and the result was a brilliant performance that I feel should have won the Oscar, but the Academy being nearly 100% white, male, and straight and having hardly any education about transgender people to understand why it was such a good performance, passed it over.  She did however win a Golden Globe and was considered the dark horse.  (The winner that year was Reese Witherspoon for playing June Carter Cash in Walk the Line.  I've seen both movies and Felicity's performance is more memorable, imo.)

Anyway, these are the two movies I've seen come out of Hollywood regarding transgender people.  The earliest I think was "The Christine Jorgensen Story," which I can only imagine was a piece of sensationalist 50s claptrap... but maybe I'm wrong, I've never seen it.  Then there was a TV movie called "Second Serve," about Renee Richards... Vanessa Redgrave played her I think, which was progressive casting for the time.

There was a movie in 2003 called "Normal" with Tom Wilkinson realistically playing a transgender woman who for most of the movie was a man.  That casting fit because it wasn't depicting a post-operative person, it was really about him telling his wife and family.  I remember seeing it and that it was very well done.

"Soldier's Girl" came out the same year.  At the time it came out (2003 i think), the most famous transgender woman in America was Calpernia Addams.  She hasn't been heard much since, but I remember that she was quite a role model for me back then when I was a teenager and was beginning to research transgender on the Internet.   I didn't like that the Calpernia Addams character though was played by a man, Lee Pace.  His performance must have been good because he was nominated for several awards, as was the movie itself.

Well what I'd like to know is:

1. How do you all feel about having male actors play transgender women, and vice versa?  Does it bother you? 

2. What was your reaction to "Boys Don't Cry," "Transamerica," and any other movie you saw? 

3. What was the first movie you ever saw about transgender people?  Was it a good experience or a bad one, and did it help you realize you were trans?
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tekla

which I can only imagine was a piece of sensationalist 50s claptrap

You'd be way wrong.  It is serious, and according to today's standards while it might not be really informative, it is  sympathetic, and to the degree that it is very camp, it's camp because it's so sincere, and to the degree that it is melodramatic I think that it is because it's an accurate telling of the story.  It is based on her book, and she was involved in it in some way.

And there are lots and lots of movies with various levels of TG themes.  Most of them better than either BDC or TransAmerica.

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Ashley_C

*Long Post*

I work in Hollywood so maybe I have a different view on things.

As I'm sure you know, Boys Don't Cry was based on a true story and the character that Hillary Swank played was in fact a woman living as a man so her casting was perfect.

I saw part of "Normal." I didn't like it but that was because it was based on a stage play and really slow.

I think trans-characters are starting to be used more often, even if trans-actors are not. A few years ago there was a show on ABC that had a trans-character played by a real trans-woman called "Dirty Sexy Money."

There is a recurring character on "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" that is a trans-woman. She is played by a genetic woman though but is showed in a very positive light. She's actually one of the only well-adjusted characters on the show full of lunatics and ego maniacs. At the end of one of the season, she and her husband (played by the Miller High Life guy) who adopt Sweet Dee's baby.

I don't think there is a Will & Grace type show coming down the pike that will blow down the door for us like it did for the gay community. The closest we have is "Hit and Miss."

It's going to be a while before we see a main character on a show that is trans. We starting to be shown more than just hookers and big hairy men in dresses which is a step in the right direction.
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Miki

Quote1. How do you all feel about having male actors play transgender women, and vice versa?  Does it bother you?

I don't have an opinion here one way or the other I think.  Felicity Huffman's performance was amazing, and I also appreciated Tom Wilkinson's performance.  I think it's the best actor to tell the story that has the most impact.

Quote2. What was your reaction to "Boys Don't Cry," "Transamerica," and any other movie you saw?

Boys Don't Cry made me angry.  Transamerica made me thoughtful.  Normal made me cry.  All three had a lot of impact, but in very different ways as they all focused on relationships and struggle from unique directions.

Quote3. What was the first movie you ever saw about transgender people?  Was it a good experience or a bad one, and did it help you realize you were trans?

The first feature length film I saw was likely Normal.  Prior to that, a host of well-written and produced documentaries were the only things I had ever watched for effect.  Looking back now, I'd say that the exposure to objective accounting of transgender issues was a good experience for me.  I was past the point of knowing when most of these came out, so they didn't impact my initial realization at all, but they did play a role in reinforcing the fact that being transgendered is not something you have to address in a vacuum, by yourself, with no resources or recourse other than what you come up with on your own.  That, more than anything, was a very good thing. :)

-Miki
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pretty

I wouldn't honestly be very interested in watching a trans movie. If you're making a movie about a trans man though, I don't see why you would get a cis man to play them when the whole point is them being trans.  :)
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Nero

Yeah, Hilary Swank was good for the role because Brandon was completely pre-op and pre-HRT (and there's some speculation he may not even have been trans, besides). If I'm remembering correctly, there were also some nude scenes which could have been problematic for a bio male actor.
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Annah

Quote from: sysm29 on April 19, 2012, 05:36:44 AM


Well what I'd like to know is:

1. How do you all feel about having male actors play transgender women, and vice versa?  Does it bother you? 

Do you mean how do I feel about having female actors play transgender women? Because I would assume having a male actor playing a transgender is probably the closest representation to the real deal. If a genetic woman played a transgender woman I would think it would be a cop out.

Quote2. What was your reaction to "Boys Don't Cry," "Transamerica," and any other movie you saw?

Boys don't cry was good. Transamerica wasn't good to me (sorry Andrea). I didn't care for it.  As I said earlier, I have a thing against casting genetic women as trans. If anything they should cast a trans as a trans or a genetic born male. But they did have some trans in there. I just didnt care for the plot.

Trans movies are a lot like christian movies to me. They have a heart of gold but the quality, plot, and story is just very bad.


Quote3. What was the first movie you ever saw about transgender people?  Was it a good experience or a bad one, and did it help you realize you were trans?[/b]

"Better than Chocolate". It didn't focus solely on trans but it completed the LGBT spectrum including trans. It was a good movie.

But, for the most part...i dont really watch em. I kinda live it 24/7. Don't wanna see a movie to further it in. It was like when i was a cop....never watch the show "cop" during that time either.
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MacKenzie

 I'd love to see a reality TV show about transsexuals in their natural habitat.  :D
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