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Why couldn't I have just been gay?

Started by sysm29, April 21, 2012, 07:39:44 AM

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sysm29

I don't like the way estrogen makes me feel and I don't like the way I look.  It's becoming too feminine now.  I preferred my face as James so much better than what's happening to me.  I'm thinking of stopping it again.

I really need to get into therapy ASAP but my old doctor hasn't transferred my case over yet.  I'm thinking of just making an appointment now with the new one because I desperately need to get into see her.

I have such doubts about all of this.  Five days ago I was happy with what I was seeing in the mirror.  Today I don't like it one bit - my face looks sad, withdrawn, like I'm barely alive... i'm eating as much as I can, but I look sick.  Estrogen has that effect on me, it makes me look so thin and withdrawn.  All of the vitality in my guy face is gone.  I just don't like what estrogen does to me.

Why couldn't I have just been gay?  It would have made life so much easier.  Why did I have to be born with this longing to be a woman?  Why?!  I would do anything to not be transgender, anything.

Why couldn't I have found a way to be happy as a guy?  I mean after all I still am one.  I don't look like a woman.  Even after facial feminization surgery, I'm read as male.  I look TERRIBLE with even medium length hair.  I've always looked better even as a guy with short hair. 

I actually even miss the facial hair.  I hated the feel of it growing on me, but I liked the way it looked.  Since I have a lot of jaw and chin, a beard would have looked great on me.  Why couldn't I have just grown it out into a beard and been a guy?

Dammit, I had some talent.  I could have become a fashion designer had I applied myself in that direction.  Or I could have been a playwright.  Why did I have to do this?  This happens EVERY TIME I start transitioning, EVERY TIME I start transitioning I want to go back because I can see its not working.

OF COURSE I feel like a woman inside, so did Tennessee Williams, so have lots of gay men really.  There's a certain kind of gay man that's always felt like a woman.

Maybe I need to create a new place for me on the gender spectrum: A woman trapped in the body of a man who decides to still live as a man because she realizes that she could never look like a woman.

Now my hair is growing too long and it looks terrible... I don't know what the f to do with my hair.  The FFS has now given me a very hard face shape to work with - its even worse than the old one.  At least with the old one you knew what to do... but this... I can't make any sense of what this is.

It looks like something in between but either looks like a very sad masculine-looking lesbian or a very sad feminine-looking man.  Either way, it's very sad.

I just wish I could close my eyes, go to sleep, and wake up being a gay guy who's perfectly fine with his body.  God I'd just kill to be normal for just one day.
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Siobhan

Hi,
I would rather not have gid also..
You really don't like being more feminine?or are you scared of people judging you?
I hope you feel better soon anyway Sysm.
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Rabbit

Quote from: sysm29 on April 21, 2012, 07:39:44 AM
I really need to get into therapy ASAP

Yea... you should try to find a therapist ... try calling the doctor and stressing you are having serious issues and really need to see a therapist soon (so they hurry up and transfer it). Or, try to find another one to go to in the meantime?

You really really really need someone to help you sort this out....
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lecoeurdegrey

With all due respect you are a mess miss! Try and go out anything to stop thinking too much :-\
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Jeneva

Also remember that you are still close enough to your FFS to feel the effects of post-op depression.

I hope you find peace in this life.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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sysm29

thanks, darling
Quote from: Siobhan on April 21, 2012, 07:45:36 AM
Hi,
I would rather not have gid also..
You really don't like being more feminine?or are you scared of people judging you?
I hope you feel better soon anyway Sysm.
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Kitty_Babe

Not anyone's place to judge, you just need to figure out what's best for you. If you are not happy with HRT, don't take them, simple as that. HRT has some really powerful affects on my moods, mostly in a sexual way too, (Can't stop thinking about sex) or men, in general, my body just thinks its wants to reproduce and have babies.. It can be a little overwhelming. HRT I think has different affects on different people in different ways.

Don't forget, the way you look now, compared to being on HRT for the rest of your life, you body will go through a gradual process of changes and feminisations. People all go through this at their own pace, everyone is different, and has their own rate of change. As I don't know what you actually look like, I can't say if you look better with taking HRT, or not, as I have no before and after to take a look at ! :D

This also may sound weird, and I in no way am judging you, or what you really need to do, but there is a big difference from wanting/longing to be a 'woman' and 'knowing' your a woman,. Plus saying 'trapped' in the wrong body etc, is a clique I really hate to read these days, and you only ever say this to people whom are 101 plain stupid dumb.

Have you even considered exploring other side's of your life, ? try them out, if you fantasise about being gay, then try a gay relationship, and see how this makes you feel, thing is with gay people, not all of them 'feel' like a woman at all, this is another probably, much miss read thing about gay men too. Like in all relationships you have a 'male role' and a 'female role', so I'd take a good guess here that its the effeminate ones who dress up in 'drag'. But being effeminate, does not make you a woman, women behave 'feminine'.

I personally also felt the other way about taking HRT, and how my face and body used to look when I existed as 'that' other person. I hated the way my face looked, and didn't want my face to look in any kind of way masculine. This is some thing that can't be just achieved by HRT alone sadly, in some cases, and some times might require some surgical changes too. I suppose it depends just how far your really prepared to go to get that look you want for yourself. Really no different from any other woman seeking plastic surgery to improve their looks :)

But if your not happy with the changes, stop taking the HRT now, and look at other ways you can explore your feelings and sexuality. Just my two cents - hope I haven't offended you at all.

Catherine x
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Trixie

You know, I can relate. I often feel like I'm not REALLY trans, but merely want to be a woman... if that makes any sense. I feel like if I were trans, I would just know I was a woman, and I also would have felt it at an earlier age, been more feminine etc.

If that's true, it's just a really sucky situation to be in as there's nothing I would be able to do to relieve it.

*hugs*

I don't mean to make this about me. I hope you feel better. I'm sorry you're suffering the way you are. :(
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Gauge

QuoteI don't like the way estrogen makes me feel and I don't like the way I look.  It's becoming too feminine now.  I preferred my face as James so much better than what's happening to me.  I'm thinking of stopping it again.

I just wish I could close my eyes, go to sleep, and wake up being a gay guy who's perfectly fine with his body.  God I'd just kill to be normal for just one day

The FFS has now given me a very hard face shape to work with - its even worse than the old one.  At least with the old one you knew what to do... but this... I can't make any sense of what this is.

I am so sorry to hear what you are going through. From what you said I think you know how you were the happiest and should put your efforts into that. You do not need to go through a full transition just to be happy.  There are a lot of trans people who live life with their gender birth body and are happy.  This is a great time for you to take a inventory of your life and what changes you can make so you feel like you again. Just be completely honest with yourself, it is a hard thing to do, but it will put you on the proper path. As to your FFS who did it? I only ask because were the results not what you expected or desired? I have seen some girls go to one surgeon for the works only to have ffs by another surgeon to get them where they needed to be. If you want to be a guy again you can do it. Just don't let sexuality decide your gender.
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Seyranna

What you said is wrong even the gayest of effeminate man is far from being a woman. That is a fact.

Even the most butch woman would not want/enjoy having facial hair...

I sincerely hope you actually tried being gay and not went"I'm attracted to men> I must be a woman> ima transition"
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AbraCadabra

Quote from: Seyranna on April 22, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
What you said is wrong even the gayest of effeminate man is far from being a woman. That is a fact.

Even the most butch woman would not want/enjoy having facial hair...

I sincerely hope you actually tried being gay and not went"I'm attracted to men> I must be a woman> ima transition"

Even the most butch woman would not like to be a man... so my experience, and we are not speaking about FtM now, OK.

Why then just not bother with any make-up, keep your hair short and dress like some butch girls do? Nothing at all wrong with THAT.
It might just get you off that *being or looking or feeling too femme* mood...

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! if taking hormones is giving you the 'willies' then this can be yet one more serious issue.
Females 'run on Estrogen' not Testosterone... some shrinks use this for their idea of testing if you trans - or not. It is disputable, I know, - also if there are allergies to E involved, etc.
But if we talk about the E gives you femme feelings and you do not like THAT!... honey... twice over, see a shrink and figure the hell out what is your case.

I wish you luck,
Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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A

So you've tried transition many times, and went back every time. What that tells me is that the problem came back. Something tells me that when you came back to guy mode, you soon realised that you needed transition.

I think this most probably means that you are doing it wrong, not that what you are doing is wrong. You say yourself that you were born with a longing to be female. Don't be naive enough to think that it will go away if you pull the project's plug. I'm sure you have experienced that in the past already. GID is stealthy, and you can't run away from it. As soon as you turn your back on it, it backstabs you so hard you don't believe it. And as though it's out to punish you from ignoring reality, it adds one more knife each time it strikes.

I don't want to pose as a fake doctor, and don't take my word on this, but sure as heck look like you have a bipolar and/or borderline personality disorder. Some months you want to transition; some months you want to go back. Some days you like what you see in the mirror; some days you think you look awful and blame it all on estrogen for some reason, even though you know that recently operated people always look sick for a while. Some days you're so into transition you get FFS without putting much thought into it; then you spend the following few days contemplating suicide because you don't like your post-operative face.

Your impulsivity and unstability right now, if you ask me, disqualify you from making any reasonable decision. And destabilising yourself by making reckless changes such as stopping HRT will only worsen the problem by a lot. You need to settle this and calm down before making decisions.

Also, more physically, do you realise that every time you stop and re-start HRT, you expose your body to great trauma, and jeopardise your health? And I don't know for how long you've been on HRT, but if your testicles have been affected enough by HRT, you won't be able to get enough T running in your body to maintain your health; and the hormone imbalance, as well as the lack of hormones whatsoever, are likely to worsen your depression and mood swings.

Also, stopping and restarting certainly reduces the results you can get. You may be determined and sure you want to stop right now, but weren't you just as sure when you last stopped? I'm certain you won't be as sure when the euphoria of change and impulsive decisions would go away in a few weeks, and dysphoria would come back to hit you at full force.

For now, remain stable and don't do anything reckless. I'm sure even you, despite being in the cyclone's eye, can notice the storm that's going on.

I don't even actually know you, but I suspect that this is not something that will go away on its own. You need to see a psychologist and/or psychiatrist, and fast. I mean it; you worry me to the highest point. With your unstability, recent suicidal thoughts and all, I would even say that it's an utmost emergency that you see someone very quickly. First, your mood needs to be stabilised. And once your thoughts are clear, you can sit and calmly let a therapist help you determine what to do next regarding your gender.

I really hope you get better soon. Don't try to settle this alone.

Also, you might be interested in this post I wrote to another member regarding fear and decisions. She was apparently helped and calmed by the post; maybe it will help you to a degree.
Quote from: A on January 09, 2012, 12:42:15 PM
Being at a less advanced stage in transition than you, I don't know how much I can help, but I can at least try.

You have to remember you're going out as female before having had any physical transition done at all. I haven't even considered trying that. I just know it would feel fake. No matter how I feel inside, if I have to disguise or fake things to be seen as female, it doesn't work; it's just as bad as faking to be male; I'd only be changing what I fake, but still be faking.

So I can't help but think it's entirely normal to feel as you do right now. I wouldn't have gotten this far. For me, presenting as female is a no until my name is changed and I can do it 24/7; and anything akin to sexual activity is a no until my genitals have changed. I just know I'd feel as wrong, or even more wrong, than I do now.

The key points I get from your posts is that you feel wrong not because you're presenting as female, but because you have to fake to do so, right? As I understand it, you enjoy "boy mode" since it doesn't involve forcing yourself or being careful. That pretty much means that a non-physically-transitioned transgender's life is not for you... Which is the case for a big proportion of people over here, me included. I can't read your mind, but the "verdict" I get from this is that you actually would get help from that HRT.

Think about it: right now, you say you feel good being female. So you like being female. You also say you enjoy being male, but you never mention anything male because it's male, and you always say there's another reason; it's always because it's more natural. So you don't like faking; you don't like the in-between state. There are things you like because they are female, but none you do because they are male, so where could the assumption that you like to be male come from? Simple mathematics: Like to be female + Don't like the in-between state = Like to be female without the in-between elements = Should feel better after a complete-ish physical transition.

I also want to add that HRT changes that occur before 6 months are generally regarded as reversible and/or not very apparent if treatment is stopped.

I know I've said that many times already, but I still feel you're worrying way too much. If you haven't lied in your therapist (assuming she's competent) meetings and have been referred, then it probably means transition is for you. And I can't help but worry about your apparent roller coaster of feelings.

Sometimes you're so decided not to transition that you leave the site; sometimes you're so motivated that you even present as female without any HRT and beam with joy; and now you're back to major doubts and anxiety. I still think you might want to look into this. My father has been bipolar all his life and denied it all his life; as a result, he lost his wife, the respect of his children, and lived a bankruptcy. I'm probably wrong and I hope I am, and I don't have any right to say this, nor have I even met you in person, but I think you should try to get that assessed. I'm really worried for you.

The last time you had a "transitional down", you left the site, cut your hair, got a beard, forgot about it all, etc. So you tried doing nothing and your problems came back unchanged. So that option is noted as non-working. So you have the choice of a solution that could or could not help, HRT and transition, or a solution that has been confirmed not to help, cancelling everything.

I sincerely don't see any reason to cancel everything again. In all logic, it'll repeat the same pattern you lived a few months ago. What's the use in going back and forth?

Moreover, decisions driven by fear always have higher chances of being bad ones, aren't they? You took a thought-out, logical, calm decision. Any decision you take now should theoretically be inferior, simply because your judgement is clouded by your anxiety.

You could try pondering on this, too...

You took the decision to transition because it seemed like it was the best option, right? I mean, there aren't thousands of options available to you. Now, your feelings have changed. Why is that? Is there an option, other than HRT, that you feel would be better for you? Examine your choices: would a partial transition help you more? would you like to live an androgynous life? etc. If you're not more inclined towards another choice, then why change it? Fearing something is no reason to choosing something else, is it?

If I have to either walk 100 Km on a well-lit road or walk 1 Km in a small, scary, dark tunnel and I'm scared of the darkness of the tunnel when standing in front of it... I knew it was dark and scary when I decided to use it. Assuming I can't turn back, the circumstances haven't changed: I'm still not interested in walking 1000x more, the tunnel is exactly as dark and scary as it used to be, and there's no new road available. I'm going to swallow my fear and go in the tunnel, since it's the only choice there is.

Your situation is similar. Has the tunnel changed? Is there a new road? If not, what reason would there be to change your decision?

If you're still doubting despite those logical arguments, then I have to deem your state as normal but useless anxiety. Ignore it and avance.

The key in my message is: you're not thoughtlessly charging into transition. You've thought about it already, so doubting now is pointless. Unless something else than your state of mind has changed, don't even allow yourself to doubt.

I hope I helped... Doesn't feel very helpful, sorry.
I hope I helped.

Please don't think I'm telling you what to do for the heck of it, thinking too highly of myself or anything. I just want to help you my best, and I somewhat have experience with people experiencing issues that seem similar to yours...
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Annah

I agree with A, Axelle, and Seyranna about their comments. I would use their comments, really reflect on them and see a therapist right away. They can always get your records later.

I would even encourage you to see a Psychiatrist or a Non gender related therapist. While A does mention she is not a doctor and neither am I, I nodded when I read the Bi-polar or possible borderline personality disorder. We aren't saying you have it, but it would be nice to seek out a psychiatrist who is an expert on these diagnoses and at the very least, rule it out.

QuoteYour impulsivity and unstability right now, if you ask me, disqualify you from making any reasonable decision. And destabilising yourself by making reckless changes such as stopping HRT will only worsen the problem by a lot. You need to settle this and calm down before making decisions.

I agree with this too. You need to let a qualified therapist help you make decisions right now.

QuoteDammit, I had some talent.  I could have become a fashion designer had I applied myself in that direction.  Or I could have been a playwright.  Why did I have to do this?  This happens EVERY TIME I start transitioning, EVERY TIME I start transitioning I want to go back because I can see its not working.

If you told this to your therapist and they still approved you for HRT, then I am glad you are seeking a new therapist.

If you hate what happens everytime you transition maybe transitioning is not for you? Maybe it's something else bothering you
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