Christian Transgender? Really? Please explain how I could be that

[Annah]

yup. It's a viscous cycle ins't it lol

In all honesty, we do not know exactly who borrowed what from who (although Mithra story was written centuries before Jesus' story).

But just as a side note, Pagan religions has been around for thousands of years before the Hebrew concept of Monotheism.

Abraham was a pagan as Abram in the city of Ur. They too had blood sacrifices ...which was around 500 years before it became the method of sanctification for the Jewish people at the first passover the night before Moses departure from to the Promise Land from Egypt.

The best I can tell you is have faith. It is my belief that all of these spiritualit"ies" came from God as long as they promoted love and charity. Many pagan religions were/are very charitable and loving so I have no quarrel from them (and a Spiral Dance every now and then is good for the soul

When it comes to your sexuality, I advise yourself to have faith too. You will eat yourself up trying to find a  verse that specifically says "And Jesus loved the Transgender and said 'Well Done My Good and Faithful Servant'"

At the same time, take heart that Jesus will not condemn or forsake you because of your gender or sexuality. Remember, reading the Bible just by reading it isn't the same thing as "figuring it all out."

You can read Grey's Anatomy until you have it memorized but you wouldn't know the first thing about successfully completing a triple bypass heart surgery. What I am saying is, there is MUCH more to the Bible than just reading it in an English translation you bought in a bookstore.

1st Corinthians and 1s Timothy when read at face value sounds anti homosexual. However, when you read it in it's original language, when you read it in the time of the social infrastructure (Exegesis and Hermeneutics), and when you read it through the understandings of the author's eyes, these passages say completely different things.

For example, read 1 Timothy 2:10-16 for me:

Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.

If you read that on surface level, what opinions do you get about women?

Should they be silent and in full submission because it was Eve who deceived the world and became the transgressor and not Adam?

Is the only way a woman can receive salvation is through bearing children on top of being submissive?

Can you see what happens when people take a verse and bend it to their own will? What would a misogynistic man who think women should have babies and keep her mouth shut say about this verse? Well, they use this verse ALL THE TIME.

What about this verse (1 Corinthians 14:34):

women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says.

What do you think Paul is saying when he wrote that? Would you say this verse to a female pastor and then say she needs to be quiet and let a man preach?

Think about these questions whenever you read the verses about what you interpret to be against homosexuality. As Hasbro once said "there's more than meets the eye."

[Annah]

Ok Mary was not a virgin? Ok but what about immaculate conception? To say that Jesus was also the seed of Joseph would negate the power of God being able to just make Mary Pregnant via the Holy Spirit.

This is one of those beliefs that you can believe this if you want. I will think no differently if you believed she was a virgin.

With that said, let me ask you a question

Why would Jesus be any less divine if it was not an immaculate conception?

Why cannot the son of God begotten eternally before time existed and was still born of Mary and Joseph?

Also, remember, it was through Joseph's lineage that made Christ a descendant of King David, thus fulfilling the promise God said to David.

If Jesus was not from Joseph, during this patriarchal age (and current scientific standard), then that promise would not have been fulfilled because Jesus would not have been biologically related to Joseph.  Also, the lineages were purported down via the men (for example, it was through Boaz's seed that their great grandson was David....not Ruth).

I say, if God is the creator of the Universe and supreme God of everything and anything and all creation God created, then I would not be given God much credit by saying God could not have Christ begotten through a man and a woman.  And I know, one could easily say, "then the Creator of the Universe could make a virgin woman pregnant too!"

I one hundred percent agree with that statement...but the scriptures in their original language says nothing about being a virgin so why would I accept she was a virgin? Because a Greek scribe made a mistake 2300 years ago?

btw, I love your Zebra Finches

[Shawn Sunshine]

Thank, you , those aren't my actual finches, I use to have some, now I only have Parakeets. I was thinking of breeding birds at one time and maybe still will.

Ok, well we know that it is said here:

Matthew 1:18-25

Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

So could one look at this way? Maybe the holy spirit caused Joseph's sperm to be magically transported in to Mary's egg?

I dunno it still seems to me it was because Joseph was worried someone else slept with Mary and that that were not married

You said the following:

However, what makes me a Progressive Christian is the fact that I do not believe that Jesus was the only one who walked this earth to give answers in a world that greatly needed them.

It is my belief that all of these spiritualit"ies" came from God as long as they promoted love and charity. Many pagan religions were/are very charitable and loving so I have no quarrel from them

Then why did Jesus say "I am the way"?

John 14:6
Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

and why did God say via the Holy Spirit, through the disciples writings

1 Corinthians 12:2
You know that when you were still pagans, you were led astray and swept along in worshiping speechless idols.

1 Corinthians 10:7
or worship idols as some of them did. As the Scriptures say, "The people celebrated with feasting and drinking, and they indulged in pagan revelry."

Sorry, but I am having a very hard time understanding why I should be accepting any other religion or sect or belief or worship of a God or Goddess. I would need some clarification on that please.

[SarahM777]

Hello ShawntoShawnna,

Then why did Jesus say "I am the way"?

Hereis the verse in context

John 14:5-14
5 Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"

6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.


Going back to your original post the explanation is in Leviticus 20:22-26

22 "'Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out. 23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them. 24 But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the Lord your God, who has set you apart from the nations.

25 "'You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground—those that I have set apart as unclean for you. 26 You are to be holy to me because I, the Lord, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own.

They were not to live as the other nations did. They were to be set apart as being different. One of the main things was it that it was used in the other nations "worship" They often used temple prostitutes both male and female as a form of "worship".

So it really had a two fold purpose one was to keep them from going down that path and the other was
to keep them from being in agreement with the other nations that this was a good thing.

On the other verses notice that it say it's those who practice sexual impurity or homosexuality,(please note it includes all sexual sins outside of marriage)

If God says something is wrong He has a reason for it. If homosexuality is ok with God shouldn't there be evidence that it's good for us,it's healthy for us and does not lead to an early death?

Now that being said why is it that the AMA (American Medical Association) a non religious or moral entity
claims that homosexuality is HIGH RISK behavior? Why is it that very few that state it's a good thing will NOT tell anyone of the risks? Why is there a higher to much higher percentage of homosexual males then heterosexual males that have the following Anal Cancer,Chlamydia trachomatis,Cryptosporidium,Giardia lamblia,Herpes simplex virus,Human immunodeficiency virus,Human papilloma virus,Isospora belli,  Microsporidia,Gonorrhea,Viral hepatitis types B & C and Syphilis? Some of the above are almost only found in the homosexual population, 85% of the syphilis case are found in the homosexual population.
Why do they have a syndrome named "gay bowel"? And also included problems include hemorrhoids,anal fissures,anorectal trauma, and retained foreign bodies. And include into that sexually transmitted infections that are not generally spread through sexual contact. These diseases, with consequences that range from severe and even life-threatening to mere annoyances, include Hepatitis A, Entamoeba histolytica, Epstein-Barr virus, Neisseria meningitides, Shigellosis, Salmonellosis, Pediculosis, scabies,Campylobacter and Typhoid.

Does this really point to the fact that it's a good thing or does it maybe just maybe show that what God said is true? It can only come through an act.

Could it be that for a transgender that celibacy may just be the best option?


Shawntoshawnna I will come back to this as it is very late here and I would like to relate my journey so far and how God is working this out in me.

Sarah

[Amazon D]

Sarah many gay men are getting orchy's (testes removal) because they are tired of sex and only want the relationships. Its not everywhere but it was pretty big back in phila pa when i use to live there. My Dr who removed mine also told me of this. Myself i never could understand doing anal sex as it seemed so dirty to me and i also never liked my own penis i surly didn't want another one near me. Today i am basically a celibate / non sexual except for dreams and i am fine with that. It has been that way since i transitioned back in the late 90's. I do think lust is written in the bible as something that we need to be concerned. I do like mathew 19:12 which talks about those who were born different of the mothers womb and those who were made different by man (eunuchs) and those who give up sex for the glory of god. 

[SarahM777]

Sarah many gay men are getting orchy's (testes removal) because they are tired of sex and only want the relationships. Its not everywhere but it was pretty big back in phila pa when i use to live there. My Dr who removed mine also told me of this. Myself i never could understand doing anal sex as it seemed so dirty to me and i also never liked my own penis i surlky didn't want another one near me. Today i am basically a celibate / non sexual except for dreams and i am fine with that. It has been that way since i transitioned back in the late 90's. I do think lust is written in the bible as something that we need to be concerned. I do like mathew 19:12 which talks about those who were born different of the mothers womb and those who were made different by man (eunuchs) and those who give up sex for the glory of god.

I can be thankful that the drive was never very strong in me. I will never understand what is so good about sex. When one is at the point that bowling is more enjoyable than the act it usually means that it's not that big of a deal for that person. I am fine without it. It was very easy for me to give it up without surgery. At the same time though I can not speak to those who have a very strong drive as I can not relate how to deal with it from that point.

I do want to come back to what I had started late last night but it may be a while as I do have a bit of work to do today.

[Sandy]

If God says something is wrong He has a reason for it. If homosexuality is ok with God shouldn't there be evidence that it's good for us,it's healthy for us and does not lead to an early death?

Now that being said why is it that the AMA (American Medical Association) a non religious or moral entity
claims that homosexuality is HIGH RISK behavior? Why is it that very few that state it's a good thing will NOT tell anyone of the risks? Why is there a higher to much higher percentage of homosexual males then heterosexual males that have the following Anal Cancer,Chlamydia trachomatis,Cryptosporidium,Giardia lamblia,Herpes simplex virus,Human immunodeficiency virus,Human papilloma virus,Isospora belli,  Microsporidia,Gonorrhea,Viral hepatitis types B & C and Syphilis? Some of the above are almost only found in the homosexual population, 85% of the syphilis case are found in the homosexual population.

Why do they have a syndrome named "gay bowel"? And also included problems include hemorrhoids,anal fissures,anorectal trauma, and retained foreign bodies. And include into that sexually transmitted infections that are not generally spread through sexual contact. These diseases, with consequences that range from severe and even life-threatening to mere annoyances, include Hepatitis A, Entamoeba histolytica, Epstein-Barr virus, Neisseria meningitides, Shigellosis, Salmonellosis, Pediculosis, scabies,Campylobacter and Typhoid.

Does this really point to the fact that it's a good thing or does it maybe just maybe show that what God said is true? It can only come through an act.

Could it be that for a transgender that celibacy may just be the best option?

Sarah

Sarah, I really did not want to get into this conversation because, while I consider myself quite spiritual, I don't buy into dogmatic religions in the first place and the idea of an old man in a night shirt watching my every move I find ludicrous. 

And Sarah, please know that I am not calling you out.  I am not trying to start a flame war (which is forbidden here), nor am I taking issue with you as a person.  I take issue with the statement above.

The information you allude to from the American Medical Association is from studies made decades ago when HIV was little understood and information was scant.

The nature of science is to evolve knowledge, not to keep it static.  And the AMA is one of the most rigorous of scientific bodies.  Their statements and body of understanding has grown and evolved a great deal in the intervening time.

Yes, by every study, HIV is more prevalent among the LGBT community (of whom you and I are a part).  But interestingly enough, the rate of infection among gay men is dropping overall, but the rate of infection of HIV and other STD's is increasing among heteronormative groups.  Primarily due to the fact that the practice of unprotected sex has decreased dramatically among the gay and lesbian community.  Yes, lesbians can contract STD's too.

You seem to be trying to make a connection between unprotected, primarily male, non-heteronormative intercourse, disease, and the bible's admonition against homosexuality, again primarily male-male.

This was one of the first things those in the more fundamentalist branches of dogmatic religion, christian and non-christian alike, claimed when HIV first started to come into social consciousness.  It was punishment from god.  God was enforcing Biblical/Talmudic/Islamic/whatever laws against icky gay people.  For some really amusing over the top statements, check out some of the things Pat Roberson has had to say on the subject.

This is the same as what has been said by those same groups about Katrina being god's punishment to all those Sodom-Gomorric activities that were going on in Louisiana.  Of course not mentioning all the collateral damage done to innocent people devastated by this force of nature.  It would seem that god paints with a very big brush.

I would caution you against trying to isolate yourself from the larger LGBT community.  We transsexuals are a minority within a minority and trying to claim that you are not gay because you have never had intercourse with another male does nothing to raise you in the eyes of those same fundamentalists.  They will still hate you and use their interpretation of their particular dogmatic religious document as justification to vilify you and, in more extreme cases, use it as justification to KILL you.

Our association with the larger LGBT community provides us with a voice that would otherwise not be heard.  Because of the advocacy on our behalf from the many non-trans groups, we trans-people have received benefits we would have not otherwise even been able to dream of.

Additionally, the AMA and American Psychological Association has specifically called for the elimination of transsexuality as a mental dysfunction and said that it is a condition, just like same sex attraction and doesn't need to be "cured".  And that insurance companies must cover transsexual diagnosis and treatment, including therapy, hormones, and surgery.

Also "gay-bowel" is an outdated term and currently considered derogatory.  It is no longer used as a medical diagnosis, is not gay-specific, confined to the bowel, nor a syndrome.

Sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate and non-related parts of the overall expression of human sexuality.

Otherwise, no matter what you claim, you are simultaneously gay and straight no matter who you have a relationship with.  If you have a relationship with a male, for example, you could be considered gay because you were born with outdoor plumbing and society gave you the blue blanket.  But you could also consider yourself straight because inside you know you are a woman and since you are in a relationship with a male, you could consider yourself hetero-normal.  Quite a conundrum.

And Shawnna, it would seem that you are looking for a page in the bible that you may have somehow missed that says god is alright with you being transsexual.  Sorry, it's not there.  Nor in the Talmud, nor in Al-Qur'an, I've looked.

The spiritual path we must follow is harder than most.  We are faced with so many obstructions along the way.  Family, society, religion all say, in one form or another, that we are wrong, yet in our hearts we know that we are not.

And the search for that-which-passeth-all-understanding is in our hearts, not in any book.  We know sin when we see it or do it, because we know it is wrong, not because someone else says it is, we know.

Shawnna, your search for some signpost that says you are doing the right thing will also be shown to you in your heart.  You will know you are doing the right thing, no matter what you decide, because you know it to be right, it will be shown to you in your heart, not read to you.

While I am well read, I am no bible scholar.  Though I know those who are and are ministers of faith.  And some also who are ministers AND trans.  And they have all said pretty much the same thing.  God, however you envision  that entity, speaks in your heart.

I would really not like to comment further on this thread, nor upon the statements I have made here because I am not scholarly on religion and do not wish to be trying to define the difference between the KJ and NIV versions of the bible and what it means to us.  I have had my say and that is that.

But both Sarah, and Shawnna, I love and support you both.  We come here for support and community and we, and I(!), accept all without hesitation.

-Sandy

[Ms. OBrien CVT]

5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."

Jesus said the law no longer mattered.

Also this is a good website on Jesus and Homosexuality and  Transsexuality. http://jesusonhomosexuality.com/#Paul

[justmeinoz]

It seems that sexuality and gender are being conflated here, which only confuses the issue.

The prohibitions in Deuteronomy are not a problem really.
If we accept that a transsexual woman is a woman, then she is cross-dressing only if she wears mens clothes.  And, having sex with a man is straight not gay. 

As I am currently an atheist Existentialist  I have no trouble being a lesbian, or with anyone else's orientation or gender anyway.

Karen.

[Shawn Sunshine]

I forgot to add something that I think is important regarding the immaculate conception.

Matthew 1:18
This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1:25
But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. (some translations)

In regards to everything that has been said so far, and everything I have read and whats in my heart, I still have to tell you that warning sirens, bells and whistles are going off in my head. I feel like the Holy Spirit is telling me to run away, very quickly, before I become deceived, and start accepting certain things and then as time would progress be so caught up under its control that I would not be able to or want to turn back. We are talking about my eternal life here , for those of you that don't believe , this is not a light thing to be just swept under the rug here. We only get to live for 100 years or so at best. I would rather spend 100 years of living with my current state, than risk having to spend an eternity in hell, separated from God, not because he wanted me to go there, but because he cannot simply allow any kind of sin into heaven. Only Good can exist there in heaven. You know I really would like to believe what you have layed before me , Annah, It would be so simple to just accept everything and anyones ideas, and follow the wide path, which is easy, its the narrow path that is hard.

But again if it is supposed to be right and something I can do, why do I still feel convicted not to do this thing, why do I still feel guilty, why do i still feel like I would be betraying my family and hurting them if I did this thing?

[Brooke777]

No matter what anyone says, if it is not right for you, no matter what the reasons are for not being right, you should not do it. This is a very personnal decission that you should only make with the purest of intentions in your heart. No matter what you choose, I wish you all the best.

[SarahM777]

I forgot to add something that I think is important regarding the immaculate conception.

In regards to everything that has been said so far, and everything I have read and whats in my heart, I still have to tell you that warning sirens, bells and whistles are going off in my head. I feel like the Holy Spirit is telling me to run away, very quickly, before I become deceived, and start accepting certain things and then as time would progress be so caught up under its control that I would not be able to or want to turn back. We are talking about my eternal life here , for those of you that don't believe , this is not a light thing to be just swept under the rug here. We only get to live for 100 years or so at best. I would rather spend 100 years of living with my current state, than risk having to spend an eternity in hell, separated from God, not because he wanted me to go there, but because he cannot simply allow any kind of sin into heaven. Only Good can exist there in heaven. You know I really would like to believe what you have layed before me , Annah, It would be so simple to just accept everything and anyones ideas, and follow the wide path, which is easy, its the narrow path that is hard.

But again if it is supposed to be right and something I can do, why do I still feel convicted not to do this thing, why do I still feel guilty, why do i still feel like I would be betraying my family and hurting them if I did this thing?

Heed the warning. This path is NOT for you. If you go down this path you will regret it in the long run and it will pull you away from God. Those warnings are there for a reason and He knows that this is not good for you and you may not be able to bear up under it. Hold on to Him and let Him lead you. God will get you through this.

[Annah]

I've been a "Queer" Pastor long enough (and a fundamentalist Pastor long enough) to realize there may be more to this thread than a sincere transgender person who is truly afraid of their eternity. This thread is beginning to feel like a chapter right out of http://www.monergismbooks.com/Tactics-A-Game-Plan-for-Discussing-Your-Christian-Convictions-p-18253.html.

I really hope I'm wrong but if I am not, this will not be the first or last thread where something like this has happened.

I have seen more threads than I can care to count where someone comes along and post "i am troubled over my gender/sexuality because of these verses" and then they see if people will know enough to actually hold a conversation around these clobbering verses.

I could not have been more clear on my first post in this thread. But the OP is saying he feels the Holy Spirit is telling him he's being deceived. I've worked in the Assemblies of God long enough to recognize this may be internet evangelism to the LGBT community.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong but I've seen this method used countless of times that tells me otherwise.

[Amazon D]

I've been a "Queer" Pastor long enough (and a fundamentalist Pastor long enough) to realize there may be more to this thread than a sincere transgender person who is truly afraid of their eternity. This thread is beginning to feel like a chapter right out of http://www.monergismbooks.com/Tactics-A-Game-Plan-for-Discussing-Your-Christian-Convictions-p-18253.html.

I really hope I'm wrong but if I am not, this will not be the first or last thread where something like this has happened.

I have seen more threads than I can care to count where someone comes along and post "i am troubled over my gender/sexuality because of these verses" and then they see if people will know enough to actually hold a conversation around these clobbering verses.

I could not have been more clear on my first post in this thread. But the OP is saying he feels the Holy Spirit is telling him he's being deceived. I've worked in the Assemblies of God long enough to recognize this may be internet evangelism to the LGBT community.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong but I've seen this method used countless of times that tells me otherwise.

Yes i have to agree with you Annah

it does seem that some people come here to play games with our heads. as for my response it was just who i am and it was not meant to condemn anyone but to speak about my life and experience..

[Annah]

On the other verses notice that it say it's those who practice sexual impurity or homosexuality,(please note it includes all sexual sins outside of marriage)

If God says something is wrong He has a reason for it. If homosexuality is ok with God shouldn't there be evidence that it's good for us,it's healthy for us and does not lead to an early death?

Now that being said why is it that the AMA (American Medical Association) a non religious or moral entity
claims that homosexuality is HIGH RISK behavior? Why is it that very few that state it's a good thing will NOT tell anyone of the risks? Why is there a higher to much higher percentage of homosexual males then heterosexual males that have the following Anal Cancer,Chlamydia trachomatis,Cryptosporidium,Giardia lamblia,Herpes simplex virus,Human immunodeficiency virus,Human papilloma virus,Isospora belli,  Microsporidia,Gonorrhea,Viral hepatitis types B & C and Syphilis? Some of the above are almost only found in the homosexual population, 85% of the syphilis case are found in the homosexual population.
Why do they have a syndrome named "gay bowel"? And also included problems include hemorrhoids,anal fissures,anorectal trauma, and retained foreign bodies. And include into that sexually transmitted infections that are not generally spread through sexual contact. These diseases, with consequences that range from severe and even life-threatening to mere annoyances, include Hepatitis A, Entamoeba histolytica, Epstein-Barr virus, Neisseria meningitides, Shigellosis, Salmonellosis, Pediculosis, scabies,Campylobacter and Typhoid.

Does this really point to the fact that it's a good thing or does it maybe just maybe show that what God said is true? It can only come through an act.

Could it be that for a transgender that celibacy may just be the best option?

This is so wrong on so many levels.

There's so many holes in your logic, it isn't worth the effort to even explain it.

[Shawn Sunshine]

Are you serious? Do you think I would come in here and just do this to trap people into something? If you are filled with the holy spirit and have the power of discernment (not everyone has this gift though) , then your heart would let you know I really am in pain, and that I have really struggled with this, I was 10 years old when I first wore my mothers clothing and I don't even remember how i was able to do it without her knowing, not to mention the fact that it felt natural and normal to me, and soft and relaxing, i was 10, i was not even thinking about women or sex, all i wanted to do was play and be a kid.


I am only asking for more clarity on things, I just cant accept that Mary was not a virgin and that there was no immaculate conception, i can however accept a lot of what you say. In fact your the 1st person to even address my problems and for that I am thankful Annah.

[Annah]

Are you serious? Do you think I would come in here and just do this to trap people into something? If you are filled with the holy spirit and have the power of discernment (not everyone has this gift though) , then your heart would let you know I really am in pain, and that I have really struggled with this, I was 10 years old when I first wore my mothers clothing and I don't even remember how i was able to do it without her knowing, not to mention the fact that it felt natural and normal to me, and soft and relaxing, i was 10, i was not even thinking about women or sex, all i wanted to do was play and be a kid.


I am only asking for more clarity on things, I just cant accept that Mary was not a virgin and that there was no immaculate conception, i can however accept a lot of what you say. In fact your the 1st person to even address my problems and for that I am thankful Annah.

ShawnTOShawnna

I've seen this for far too long that I just cant dismiss it. I will remain naturally cautious. This isn't personal with you but I've seen this happen before and its almost textbook. So if you aren't then you aren't. If you are then you are. At this point I remain neutral on the subject.

1. The Immaculate conception has nothing to do with your gender or sexuality. So, if I were you, I wouldn't even be wrapping your head around this one. If you believe Mary was a virgin then believe it. The virgin issue has nothing to do with how you are feeling as a transgender person so there really is no need to debate that.

2.  God isn't going to show you a miraculous verse to show you in black and white that you wearing women's clothing is going to be right or wrong. You need to rely on others who have some background on this issue. Trust me when I say this, Jesus could care less with what you are wearing. What he cares about is how you are treating people, how you put your faith in him and trust him. Jesus was more in awe over the lilies of the field moreso than the clothing of Solomon. You wearing a dress or changing gender isn't going to sink you to hell.

3. You must know the difference between the Holy Spirit and your guilt. You say you feel the Holy Spirit is telling you that you are being deceived here (and regrettably another person is telling you to run away from here).

What you are feeling is not the Holy Spirit telling you that you are being deceived. You are telling yourself you are being deceived by the guilt you have from wanting to be a girl because it goes against everything you were taught.

Some accusers once approached Jesus and called him Beelzebub, the Devil. Jesus replied, why would the Devil pretend to be the Son of Man to perform miracles in the name of God? His own house would fall if he did that!

Likewise, if I am being used for Satan, then why is it that my years behind the pulpit, with God's intervening nature of Love, brought many under his own flock? Would satan use me to grow the Kingdom of God? No. His own house would fall.

I've seen gay Pentecostals that had the outpouring of the Holy Spirit that would rival a Benny Henn crusade. I have seen LGBT people do wonderful and miraculous things in the name of Christ.

It's up to you to accept that on faith just as you believe in Christ through faith. No one here can force you or convince you into believing one way or the other. That's a step of faith that only you can do.

[Amazon D]

God helped me transition and no longer suffer that sex drive that use to be a burdon and weigh me down.

I can now be me and that means 24/7/365 i can follow the theme of 1st samual 16:7

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

worry not for the exterior of people and let god judge the heart and all will be as God desires

now if you have a personal issue with your exterior due to how people are judging you or you are judging yourself then know that we are here to help in that regard but as for judging your heart that is between you and God alone

Myself i have transitioned past gender to the spirit below the shell. However i had to change the exterior for me to fully understand that. For that i thank God for my transitioning.

[Shawn Sunshine]

Yes, Amazon D I will let you know something else that bothers me and has kept me from following God the way I should, I have had a constant problem with wanting to have sex, whether it be playing with myself or fantasizing or wanting to be in a relationship, in fact so bad that i have realized i better get married and have 1 partner so that i can stop burning with lust, and even beyond that just be able to completely get rid of having to think about sex all the time so i can focus on matters of the spirit

[Amazon D]

Yes, Amazon D I will let you know something else that bothers me and has kept me from following God the way I should, I have had a constant problem with wanting to have sex, whether it be playing with myself or fantasizing or wanting to be in a relationship, in fact so bad that i have realized i better get married and have 1 partner so that i can stop burning with lust, and even beyond that just be able to completely get rid of having to think about sex all the time so i can focus on matters of the spirit

no one woman or many women will ever solve that problem. you have to be brave and take that first step and getting rid of that drive that is taking you on a rollercoaster of hell..

I remember when i first took my HRT and two weeks went by and i thought to myself.. wow i haven't touched myself in two weeks... that took me back to prepuberty before that rollercoaster of hell started... i was free and i could go back and relive that lost childhood that was detoured to hell.  I quickly went out and as soon as possible i had my orchy (testes removal) by 3 months HRT.. I never looked back.. I was free.. I then could give my lil girl / child time to regrow up.. i am now 14 yrs post op and still a virgin and god has freed me from that hell... I can only share what God has given me .. its up to you to take the steps needed to get back to that pre puberty place..

here is a web site where you can read about many of those years.. and know my words to be true..

http://web.archive.org/web/20050205065104/hometown.aol.com/danielegrl/

however know that i did get mislead for a few yrs post op thinking i needed another to love me,, but soon i realized that was all a part of this superficail world and so i have transitioned past gender to the spirit below the shell.

go find your inner child and know its not what you think now because you are filled with a clouded vision due to the drugs (testosterone) that stream thru your body..

today i have one foot in this world and one in the next and when i am called i will be ready at anytime.. 24/7/365

Now remember what you suffer is yours alone as was mine so do not go judging another..

TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE 


PS: I do have two sons but in a way i do not because i surrendered them to their mothers and they are healthy and i support them but love them from afar.. i also have two kids i support one thru www.worldvison.org and another thru www.childfund.org so there are many children needing to be cared for but it just might not be meant for you to do it in person as i wasn't for me.