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May Day... May Day... Danger Will Robinson!

Started by Julie Wilson, July 16, 2012, 01:23:20 AM

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Julie Wilson

Yesterday I was at a department store with my mother and we were looking at computer desks and I couldn't help but notice there was a person who was wearing female clothing, jewelry and hair but she was angular and moved in a her-key-jerky manner.  Instead of flowing she was erratic and seemed a little too speedy.  She moved like a mechanical cowboy on crack.  Her face was ruddy and she had massive beard shadow.

The woman she was with was by contrast, flowing, calm, demure and her movements were gentle and non-threatening.  I assume this was her wife.

On the other hand the first lady had my sirens and alarms going off.  I wanted to get away from her as soon as possible.  She came over to me like she was examining me, trying to size me up and determine if I was trans.  I felt panicky and I was already thinking to myself that this woman was a threat to my existence.  I felt an urge to smack her in the face with my elbow.  Instead I tried to keep my back to her and tried to get my mother to move along without saying anything about the situation.

Later we were at the checkout and I wanted to use the self checkout because there was only one register open and there was already a line and the her-key-jerky mechanical cowboy woman was next in line right behind us.  I asked my mother if we could please use the self checkout instead of waiting in line.  The register clerk was saying something on the phone about finding an item for a price check and I knew nothing was going to happen any time soon, the store was dead.

My mother informed me that she never uses self check outs because it is against her ethics.  She mentioned how using self check outs makes it so fewer Americans have jobs, etc.  Then she sees the unusual woman behind us and pushes me towards the self check out saying I could do it for her.

I know that we are supposed to fall allover ourselves to be a friend and to avoid thinking any uncomplimentary thoughts of anyone who is trans.  But the incident reminded me of how many bizarre, scary people I met years ago at support meetings.  Transition was a very difficult, uncomfortable (at times) awkward time in my life (like a second puberty) and I am so glad to be on this side of it.  Finished and able to integrate somewhat.

When I was in the store with the trans person (I assume she was trans of some sort) probably a very late transitioning M2F or crossdresser, I just felt very... vulnerable.  She seemed to be trying to size me up so she could tell her wife I was trans or maybe come out and ask me.  The last thing I need is someone new who can point me out in a crowd and tell people, "She is trans."

So does that make me a bad person?  Was it wrong for me to have these feelings and to react this way?  Was it wrong of me to write about my experience?
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AbraCadabra

Well, it obviously rattled you, threatened your status, and it just goes to show how MOST uncomfortable many of us can feel if we see a 'female impersonation'. Because God forbid, THAT is the last thing we need to be reminded of. Never mind being outed by someone that is just NOT 'our cup of tea'.
Nothing at all to feel bad about, and I could think of the two persons right away, that helped me early during MY transition, whom I find both an embarrassment - they are of a different class person, I do accept them for it. This does not mean I have to hang out with them, i.e. I do not seek their company. Period.
Now tell me, does THAT make me a bad person? No! But it makes me a VULNERABLE person; it shows me yet another weakness I seem to have to live with - for now at least?

That's my view - and I'm sure it's not 'Trans-PC' but... we can only bring so much into the bargain at times. If they needed help, I'm sure I be there for them – THAT is a different matter. To me it is.
Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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Cindy

I wouldn't get too worked up.

If a situation makes you feel uncomfortable so be it. It isn't your fault.

As long as you are polite and well mannered and do not 'out'them, then that is all people can expect in real life situations. That is why they are called  RLE. It is up to the person to deal with their life, and certainly they have no right whatsoever to try in anyway to  'out' someone else. That is extremely bad manners.

Don't worry.

Hugs

Cindy
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MariaMx

I feel very much the same way about such situations, so no.
"Of course!"
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bullwinklle

Another vote for "don't feel bad about it". I probably would have done the same thing, especially if this person was sizing you up. An uncomfortable stare is unnerving no matter who it comes from.

Some people, trans or not, are just awkward in public and make other people feel uncomfortable. If that person was your friend, you would probably want to support them and help them be less awkward. But for a complete stranger, just because you are both trans doesn't mean you are automatically friends, nor does it mean you have some obligation to them.
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Gretchen

I have stood way clear of obvious crossdressers in public and not once have I felt bad about it. I have also stayed away from my fellow TS sisters out in public, but I think that is a mutual decision. Being TS is hard enough, I don't want anyone crashing down on my world and I will do what it takes to protect myself.
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Deila

your post made me laugh so hard im so sorry im not trying to be insensitive but your choice of wording lol.I would NOT feel bad. Im sure you would have avoided ANYBODY stairing at you that way. I dont associate with any trans women outside of message boards or outside of the forced communication I had to have at the clinic/hospital/hotel when I had my surgery. Mostly because I havent found any I click with. I dont have many friends in general. Being post op you are so OVER that part of your life most of the time and its time to just be the woman you ARE. not have that threatened by some random awkward woman. So I understand why it sent your panic radar off and you have no reason to feel bad!
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UCBerkeleyPostop

What is disconcerting is that no matter how well we "pass," other TGs can usually clock us and, if you live in a area with a lot of transpeople, this happens a lot...although lately I notice other transwomen do not seem to be clocking me. But, when another trans comes within 100 yards of me some kind of sonar goes off and I notice them. Anyway, earlier in transition, I got sober in the Tenderloin and attended AA meetings in which a lot of transwomen attended--most, not very passable and all pre-ops and non-ops. Everyone wanted to befriend the post-op "girl" (me) and I really did not feel I had any rapport with these women. I really felt guilty about it and wondered if I was suffering some type of self-loathing.   
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Julie Wilson

I met a friend in San Francisco, took a plane and rented a hotel there, stayed for a week.  I thought there would be a lot of gay people and trans people and I thought they would all detect me with their whatever-radar.  I was pleasantly surprised.  My visit to San Francisco was nothing like I thought it would be.  I may have been read but no one said anything.
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on July 19, 2012, 07:39:23 AM
I met a friend in San Francisco, took a plane and rented a hotel there, stayed for a week.  I thought there would be a lot of gay people and trans people and I thought they would all detect me with their whatever-radar.  I was pleasantly surprised.  My visit to San Francisco was nothing like I thought it would be.  I may have been read but no one said anything.

Early in my transition when I was living in the Tenderloin, I noticed that when I would approach someone who caught my radar--and I really do not know how to describe this as many of these women were "100% passable" but there is always a little something that makes me read them-- we would always divert our eyes as if to deny we were clocking one another. On the other hand, people like you described at the department store display no such respect and might say something or even want to talk to me. This doesn't seem to happen  anymore  however, maybe I am not getting read even by other TSs...or maybe I am just more secure and beyond the transition stage. Another San Francisco phenomena--and this rarely happens now if at all--is that women would smile at me a lot--a very friendly warm smile---now I first noticed this when I visited the city early in my transition when I definitely did not pass to most people. It is like they are saying they "know" but they are accepting you into "the club." 

I don't know how I would have reacted to the situation in the store because I wasn't there. I think I would have been more likely to have just shrugged it off perhaps only because I have been through all of this living at ground zero for so long.


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Julie Wilson

I was visiting the Haight Ashbury area mostly, that was where I was staying.

I don't think it was that you weren't passing.  Some, many women will give a little smile.  I heard it was a way to say the area is safe, something that women evolved with.  But I do think you were probably much more conscious of other people's expressions when you were early in transition (I know I was).  And I used to always pay attention to whatever women I would pass and often they would do the little smile thing.  But now that I have gotten used to being accepted as female I am more focused on my thoughts or the task at hand and I seldom notice the smile or see other trans women.  I remember for a while there I was seeing trans women everywhere I went and it was because when a person is early in transition she is hyper-alert to everyone around her and she is always looking at people to see how they are looking at her.

Anyway...  if transition goes well it is something we tend to get over at some point.  Unless of course we are around people who are talking about us behind our backs.  Making sure that other people know about our past.  :(

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Beth Andrea

I would have no problem with discreetly avoiding an obvious TG/CD. I are one, anyway. Either they're very early in transition (I am), or they just don't care.

But, I know my manners. I don't approach others in such a public venue, because if I'm easily "read" (and I am...OH BOY am I!  :o ), that makes it easier for others to be read, as well.

I imagine it's like having a PhD in something...say, brain surgery...and encountering a gaggle of first-year pre-med students...you may (or may not) look fondly on their youthful exuberance, but...you wouldn't want to associate with them, even casually.

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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