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Things are bad... Trigger warning: Suicidal ideation

Started by Zoidberg, July 12, 2012, 12:42:46 AM

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Zoidberg

Basically I started freaking out about how the first time I could remember dressing as a guy was right after my first breakup which was really traumatic and what if it was some sort of f***ed up coping strategy. So then I started to panic about that, and how there was no documentaion of my having felt this way before. And that scared me because it makes me feel like maybe I'm just crazy. And I hate it. And the desperation of not knowing, never being able to know, having to live in this confusion and halfway state where I don't feel comfortable transitioning becuase of it.
And the desperation and knowing there was no way out of it made me want to kill myself becuase that's the only way I feel I'll ever have peace from this question.
((I hope this is an ok place to post this, I really need to vent and hopefully get some help))
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Arch

Troyboi, get help if you are actually suicidal. Here's a link with some numbers: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,112671.0.html. If you have a therapist, a priest, a trusted friend or family member, or any combination of helpful folks in your life, TALK TO THEM.

We have to figure out what we are in our own good time. Sometimes it helps to journal about it, vlog about it, talk to someone about it.

Sometimes, we repress all of our trans feelings so skillfully that it takes a traumatic event to uncover them. And sometimes a traumatic event causes us to find a coping mechanism that has no real connection to transsexuality. I hope you are talking to a professional about this and that you find relief soon.

For me, I knew what I was and fought it for so long. And then I experienced some traumatic events that shook my equilibrium and eventually made it impossible for me to fight anymore. But I am no stranger to indecisiveness; I went through it when I was deciding whether to transition. I kept hoping that I wasn't really trans, which was a feeble hope because I've been male-identified ever since I can remember. I kept hoping that my therapist could "cure" me. I kept hoping that a miracle would happen.

It was hell. But that didn't go on forever. You can get through yours, too. I would like to tell you not to obsess over your uncertainty, but I don't suppose you can stop. However, see if you can redirect your energies toward self-exploration and self-knowledge. If you can reduce the panic over not knowing, maybe you can focus on solving the mystery.

And keep coming here. Maybe you're not trans and maybe you are. But you might be able to sort some things out if you keep talking to the folks here. A lot of us have been where you are. And we're still here.

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Ryuu

Arch: Speaking as his partner/someone who is currently IMing him, he is not in imminent danger as of right now (He says "the only current risk I'm in is falling asleep at the keyboard") but thank you for your concern :)
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Cindy

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justmeinoz

Good to see you have someone at your back.  Thanks Ryuu.

1.Whatever position you end up finding in the Gender Spectrum, is all good.  It is yours, and no-one can tell you that you are wrong. 
2. I would say you are a considerate person, so ending your life would make us all sad, and you wouldn't do that to us would you?  Good. That's called staying alive and moving forward.
3.Dressing as a guy? I am wearing jeans and a jumper right now, so they could be considered "guys clothes".  If you are a bloke and you are wearing clothes they are logically men's clothes if they are on the hanger. I put them on and they are "girl's clothes". 
4. All that is left is working out your Gender.  A good Gender Therapist is the person to seek help from on this.  They won't tell you what to do, they will help you find out what you need to do to live an authentic and fulfilling life. 
5.You are a human being who has as much value as anyone else in the world.  Go easy on yourself and treat yourself like an honoured guest in your own life, as Kate Bornstein so eloquently puts it.
6. Smile, we are family and you are always welcome to drop in for a cup of tea and a Tim-Tam.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Zoidberg

Arch: Is it possible to know which came first, the chicken or the egg, when it comes to traumatic events? The problem is that I have little to no recollection of my childhood, so I can't say that I've known since I was five. I can barely remember middle school.

Justmeinoz: How do I identify a good gender therapist versus one who isn't good? What kind of questions should I ask?

And as for everyone: Is there anything I can do to make the days up until my appointment more tolerable/ feel as though I'm making a tiny bit of progress? I would love some advice.
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Cindy

Hi Troy,

Glad you are feeling more positive.

As far as filling in steps there are heaps of things to do. Do all the things guys do.  Get a hair a good haircut, get boy underwear, Practice the voice. Exercise and muscle up, you will muscle up more on T but nothing like starting. Watch how guys interact and practice. Guys interact with people and society differently to girls we have to reverse role ourselves.  Watching people in shopping malls is a good way. Pick guys your age and see how they interact with each other and others.
You have a great parner in Ryuu so practice with each other to walk the walk and talk the talk.

Hug

Cindy
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justmeinoz

Ask what their experience is with Gender issues. Not just directly, but also from other trans people in the area.
Basically it should become obvious in the first couple of sessions. m Look at their qualifications, there are many levels of expertise in "Therapists" depending on where you are.  Ideally you are l;ooking for a psychiatrist ar at least a psychologist.
It is one thing for them to proceed cautiously, but they shouldn't be dismissive. 
If they express doubt about your innate gender or don't use correct pronouns they are not competent.
Any attempt to get you to try to put family first in case you stress them is a red flag, as is any suggestion of trying a different sexual orientation or similar.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Ryuu

So I feel like perhaps Troyboi didn't clarify his post quite as well as he might've, but to be honest I don't feel like many of these suggestions are helpful or appropriate for the situation...
Quote from: Cindy James on July 13, 2012, 03:56:50 AM
Do all the things guys do.  Get a hair a good haircut, get boy underwear, Practice the voice. Exercise and muscle up, you will muscle up more on T but nothing like starting. Watch how guys interact and practice. Guys interact with people and society differently to girls we have to reverse role ourselves.  Watching people in shopping malls is a good way. Pick guys your age and see how they interact with each other and others.... [P]ractice with each other to walk the walk and talk the talk.
This is not something that's going to be solved by a pair of boxers and some bicep curls. How do you "practice" an identity, anyway? The problem is not that he doesn't know how to be stereotypically masculine, or that he feels that his presentation is not passable, the problem is that he cannot consciously articulate what his gender identity is. He has been "out" as FtM for almost 3 years.
I'm sorry, I know this sounds kind of rude. I'm frustrated that I don't know how to help him and I had hoped maybe someone else would.
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Zoidberg

I think maybe what part of the problem is might be that I didn't specify what I'm looking for here. What I really need is some manner of way to deal with this anxiety and soul-crushing depression in a more effective way than contemplating self harm or suicide.
For me, what triggers me into considering hurting myself is the feeling of desperation that accompanies thoughts like "I don't know who I am, and this is never going to get better", "hormone therapy could never help me because my identity isn't binary enough. I'll never be happy" or "maybe this is all a result of the traumatic experiences that happened to me in high school... After all, I can't remember feeling this way before then".
I'm posting here today hoping to find some suggestions of actual steps I can take to combat these kinds of thoughts through positive action.
Or at the very least, positive ways to bide my time until my therapy appointment.
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Arch

Quote from: troyboi on July 13, 2012, 01:04:23 AM
Arch: Is it possible to know which came first, the chicken or the egg, when it comes to traumatic events? The problem is that I have little to no recollection of my childhood, so I can't say that I've known since I was five. I can barely remember middle school.

In my experience, it has been possible for me to trace some of this stuff back and get a good sense of what really happened. But I have had to peel back a lot of skin to do it; the amount of introspection and therapy it has taken...yikes. I keep thinking, "What good does it do me to know this?" For a lot of people, it doesn't actually help. For me, it often does.

I went through phases. I discovered in the late eighties that I was an FTM transsexual--didn't know such a thing existed before that--but took refuge in calling myself a cross dresser for a long time because the one "expert" book that existed said that I was messed up.

Then I was transgender because I didn't want to be TS. But I wanted hormones and surgery.

Then I was recloseted, and I tried calling myself a masculine woman. Any port in a storm. I'm embarrassed about that phase; it was truly soul-sucking. And inaccurate.

I started losing my grip over a seventeen-month period after two people I cared about died. Then one day I just figured it out. I wasn't a masculine woman or a cross dresser or even a transsexual. I was a man. A gay man. Even with the body I had and the hetero relationship I was in.

Now I can look back and make sense of my past. Everything fits now. If you don't remember much of your past, I guess that might not be a possibility for you. But I guess it depends on the nature of the memory loss.

I have some unorthodox perspectives on coping mechanisms. I have had (and I guess still have) some coping mechanisms that most people would deem unhealthy. When I place those mechanisms in the perspective of an ideal world, I agree. But I live in the real world. At certain points in my life, it was better for me to cut or hurt myself than not to. For several years, I needed anti-depressants without the usual accompanying therapy, and I'm grateful that my doctor let me do this. It has been better for me to see suicide as an escape clause than not, because thinking that way actually kept me from doing it. And so on.

My ex used to go to the batting cages or run around the block or play a computer game to blow off steam. Now I'm more likely to take a walk or write in my journal when I feel bad. Therapy saved my life and is slowly enabling me to make positive changes. But finding better ways to cope has been a long process.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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suzifrommd

Quote from: troyboi on July 13, 2012, 09:57:09 PM
What I really need is some manner of way to deal with this anxiety and soul-crushing depression in a more effective way than contemplating self harm or suicide.

Don't know what will work for you. But I can tell you what works for me.

* Find things you like to do - things that make you feel true to yourself. Then do them as often as you can manage.

* Try to get out of yourself. Look at the people around you, see how you can make a positive impact on their lives. Don't pressure yourself to do this, but if you see opportunities, take them.

* Pray for courage and peace. If (like me) you're not so sure about God, pray to your inner strength. It works just as well.

* Look for things you love about yourself. Put yourself in the position of someone who would be your best friend. What qualities do you have that make you a good friend, and a good human being? Remind yourself of these qualities when you need to and when your self-talk gets negative.

No quick/easy recipe for beating depression. You're right to go to therapy, but I hope one or two of these things will make things bearable in the meantime.

Good luck Troi.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Arch

I have had a habit of hiding because I was so ashamed of my body and my presentation. I was super private. Kept the drapes and blinds closed, didn't leave the house unless I had do, stuff like that. But sunlight can help with depression. You don't have to go out and court melanomas, but your eye needs to see the light.

After one very bad winter, I saw great improvement after I started opening the vertical blinds in the morning. We had a big sliding glass door in the master bedroom. I would open the blinds and have a light breakfast in bed and read or write. I live in a different house now, so I can't do this anymore, but I do better when I consistently expose myself to sunlight.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Zoidberg

Thank you for the advice. I've been trying to get myself busy with things that are either not gender-related or are a positive influence, like going to my local trans group. I've been doing a lot of weeding the yard and playing on the computer. I'm just holding out til my appointment with a therapist on Wednesday. I hope that it goes well. Otherwise it'll be back to square one of just trying to cope again.
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Arch

Quote from: troyboi on July 16, 2012, 12:55:07 AM
Thank you for the advice. I've been trying to get myself busy with things that are either not gender-related or are a positive influence, like going to my local trans group. I've been doing a lot of weeding the yard and playing on the computer. I'm just holding out til my appointment with a therapist on Wednesday. I hope that it goes well. Otherwise it'll be back to square one of just trying to cope again.

I was in the same boat a few years ago. Just getting through the day was the hardest thing. I basically lived from one therapy appointment to the next. My therapist was my lifeline.

I started therapy while I was on summer break, and it was too early for me to start prepping for the new school year. A month later, I was still going nuts emotionally, but I had to start putting together my courses. That was not fun because I could barely think.

But I am grateful that I had free time while I was acclimating to my therapy routine because my nerves were shot. I spent a lot of time on Susan's, a lot of time watching Queer as Folk, and a lot of time just watching the clock. I was also exercising once or twice a day because I had ballooned up to over 200 pounds and looked terrible. I thought I might need to lose weight for surgery, but I knew I would want to lose weight so I could pass better once I started hormones. And I felt terrible about myself. Having weight loss/fitness was a great project. I also started journaling that month. I haven't stopped. It helps to keep me sane.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Zoidberg

Well, that was awful. I went today and the therapist was some old lady who kept talking about hormones and how she wouldn't prescribe them for at least 3 months even after I told her I wasn't looking to start hormones, just wanting some help dealing with my suicidal thoughts and my wondering whether I'm really trans or if I'm just crazy.
She wouldn't address my concerns and now I feel awful because who knows how long it will be before I find a good therapist who can help me?
I feel awfully hopeless tonight. Trying to figure out what I'm going to do to keep myself occupied.
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Zoidberg

I dont know what to do. I feel really hopeless at the moment. Not gonna hurt myself, but probably gonna have a good long cry.
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justmeinoz

Truly sorry that she didn't know what she was doing. Obviously not at all competent if she brought up HRT so early, rather than doing a biography to see what your background was.
Cross her off the list.  Hopefully there are others in the area you can access, perhaps the members of your support group can suggest someone they have had good results with. 

You are among friends here, so rant away.  We all need to at times. I had a day under the covers week before last, over my fears of not finding a partner.  I let it wash over me and was a lot better the next day. 
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Zoidberg

She did talk to me about my past first but the thing is I wasnt going to her to seek out hormones and I made that clear. Maybe in the future but for now I have other matters I need to deal with, and she was ignoring that :C
Things have been bad lately. Last night I was so upset I decided the only way I could have a shower was to be fully clothed. I dont know how to cope with all of this.
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