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           Here is an essay that I am in the process of writing for next week:  After reading articles such as "I am not a rapist" I am convinced that men would be acting in their own self-interest in becoming allies to women, which would, presumably, benefit women as well. 
                For the purposes of this discussion, we will be looking at how white men--even the most privileged among them such as those presumably mostly  middle and upper class, mostly heterosexual white men attending Duke University mentioned in the Stoltenberg article--can benefit from becoming allies.  But before we begin this discussion, let us define what an ally is and some of the implications involved in becoming an "ally to women." 
                 One dictionary definition of an ally is "a person, group, or nation that is associated with another or others for some common cause or purpose" and that pretty much sums up what being an ally is all about: joining together for some common cause. (dictionary.com) Straight people can ally with gays and lesbians to support gay rights issues such as supporting same-sex marriage and opposing "don't ask don't tell." Because of the support of allies, (recently Obama became an ally) same sex marriage will become a reality soon, at least in most "blue" states and, of course, the fight to repeal DADT has been won. Cisgendered folk can ally with transgendered men and women to support rights for transpeople.  Maryland recently became the latest of several states to add "gender status" to the list of protected classifications regarding housing and employment discrimination and such depending, of course, on ally support. (Transgender folk are one of the few or perhaps the only minority who do not have a single voice in the US Congress so that movement depends strongly, even almost exclusively on allies.)  So in the same way that straights ally with gays and cis with trans, white men can and should ally with women. But does becoming an ally to women make a man a feminist? Should men who ally with women call themselves feminists? I found some interesting discussions on this.
              Blogger "kobeski," a man, makes an argument that men who ally with women should not declare themselves feminist because the act of doing so asserts male privilege.(kobeski) He bases some of his views on an article written by Chris Clarke, another male ally, who declares in "Why I am not a feminist" that "I am a sympathizer. I am a fellow traveler. At my best, I am an ally. But I am a member of the class against which feminism is aimed. I can do my best to be a traitor to that class." He writes that  when he read Cherrie Moraga and Gloria Anzaldua's This Bridge Called My Back, he became an ally to the Chicana/o cause.  Should he then call himself a Chicano? Of course not.  (Clarke) Did white civil rights workers in the 1960s call themselves "negroes" or "colored folk?" No. Points well taken. Whether or not men should label themselves feminists is open to further discussion. Now I mentioned earlier that men allying with women would presumably benefit women. There are arguments to the contrary: that men should just stay out of the equation, they are the oppressors after all. So before we look at how male allies can benefit themselves, let us take a brief look at how their alliance might benefit women. 
           In the ebook Men Speak Out : Views on Gender, Sex and Power, Jackson Katz and Shira Tarrant refute the argument to exclude men by positing  that the inclusion of men benefits the feminist movement in several ways. First, including men as allies  breaks down the traditional binary gender construct "where feminist equals female, and where it therefore becomes extremely strange or weird to think of a man as being a feminist." In addition, the exclusion of men leaves out some trans, gender queer and intersexed people.  Furthermore, the authors point out, there is strength in numbers, and lastly, allying with men brings in people who were directly involved with "with sexist practices and institutions, such as hardcore pornography, gender discrimination, or violence against women" and men "can be helpful in exposing and critiquing these practices."  Conclusion: including men as allies benefits the women's movement.  Before we look at how becoming an ally to women works in men's own self-interest, let us look briefly at the system that men (and women) have to deal with as it is today: the system of patriarchy.
        In '"Patriarchy, the System,"   Allan G. Johnson likens patriarchy to a Monopoly game. Players are doled out property and build their little empires by acquiring properties, developing them with hotels and charging rent. The goal of the game is be able to develop properties to the extent that one is able to charge rent sufficiently exorbitant to force opponents out of the game when they land on your property and are unable to pay. Johnson says he stopped playing the game because he does not like the way it makes him feel.  Like Monopoly, patriarchy is an artificial construct that is about "standards of feminine beauty and masculine toughness...the 'naturalness' of male aggression, competition and dominance and of female caring, cooperation and subordination." (Kirk and Okazawa-Rey 34) Some would call this system hegemonic. Like Monopoly, the system produces winners and losers but unlike Monopoly, where there is one winner and a handful of losers, patriarchal capitalism sets up very few winners and a multitude of losers.  We are all familiar with the concept of the 99% who control most of the wealth but I recall that recently economist Paul Krugman wrote that .1% control most of the wealth. We might define the .1% as winners except that one has to wonder if the Wall Street tycoon who lusts for a new yacht like he lusts (Buddhists would call this suffering) for a new "Trophy Wife" is really happy. In the end, patriarchal capitalism benefits almost no one, so that is one reason that it is in men's interest to help change this rigged game, there are others.
       The other arguments I found to support my thesis are that male alliance empowers men as outlined by Stoltenberg and that involvement in the feminist cause helps men fight systematic oppression that affects all of us (at least the 99.9%) as argued by Brandon Arber in "It's Just Common Sense," an essay in the aforementioned Men Speak Out : Views on Gender, Sex and Power.  First, we will discuss Stoltenberg.
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SarahLynn

Interesting read so far. I would suggest including a definition of cis, since not many outside of the community know what it is/means.
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peky

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 13, 2012, 10:42:26 AM
           Here is an essay that I am in the process of writing for next week:  After reading articles such as "I am not a rapist" I am convinced that men would be acting in their own self-interest in becoming allies to women,   

Alliances are defined by a common enemy, who is the enemy..Cal?
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UCBerkeleyPostop

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justmeinoz

I have just finished a Semester of 'Gender, Power and Change' so it all sounds very familiar. Until the male-dominated, heteronormative gender order is replaced with something more equitable, men will be short changed by society too, and never be able to see their own potential.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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peky

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 13, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
The enemy is patriarchy.

Patriarchy is but an atavistic sociological legacy imposed -in time past- by survival necessity. Today Patriarchy -at leas in the West- is but a manifestation of mercantilism forces that do not care about gender or ethnicity or age or country boundaries just to mention a few...Patriarchate is but one of the head of the Hydra


Having said that, and to be in-theme with this thread, I may add that we should remember that not all women are seeking or supporting anti-patriarchate. A large majority of women support and even embrace patriarchate either by ideological and/or religious considerations 


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AbraCadabra

Wow... the title contains one of those words... "Should" and as much as "aught" most always has to do with wishful thinking. Lots. So another word comes to mind also... see below later.

I HAVE met men who even believed themselves at a particular time (shortly post-divorce be one time) to be "allied to women" , of course ALWAYS the next one! I had this odd feeling the guy was either fooling himself,  trying to fool us, or try fool both himself AND us.
Why? Somehow it was just too idealistic, empathetic, insightful, --- and all IMHO designed to get into my girlfriends knickers, which incidentally WAS her plan...
Well, as SHE had had that in mind for her own reasons i.e. support and 'rescue' from her newly come about single-dome, see?
In short they are now an item and he is her ally by now ruling her life... she initially objected (to me only, to be sure) and so all is, as it most always tends to turn into a 'standard male/female' relationships. She is told to shut up, he knows best, whatever that happens to be at the time.

I personally would revolt, as there is no sense of equity or the power balance at first sight --- but then - maybe there is?
Both seem to supply at least for each other's needs, he: money and status, she: sex, glam and taking care of his first marriage's kids... she hates it, but hey?

Women have different (most) priorities, goals and objectives to men as it turn out, something not quite the same both are looking for, like it or not.
Men by nature of the 'hunt' for a female MIGHT for a while enthuse all about 'equality' to sound like something different to most of the rest, scoring some points.
After all is said and done, and 'mother nature' found her next new match, equality as in the idea of being an "ally" just for ever seems to  fall by the wayside. Real FAST.
Most women will complain about it - but in female logic it appears to give them a longed for sense of security to be treated as the lesser one... - even if we get some flowers at times, etc. etc.
In short the word I did not say on top that comes to mind is...: mindf**k.
You will find like Nietzsche's "Zarathustra" it be time real soon to go back up into the mountain for much further contemplation on the subject.  It will alleviate much frustration I should suspect.

We use wiles... men use 'logic'; their sort of logic to be sure... see?

In the meantime - enjoy :)
Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Thanks for all the feedback. It was unexpected.




Axelle, "should" is universally used in debate propositions. This is not a debate proposition per se, it is an argument responding to a specific prompt. I could  argue the exact opposite but it would not be responding to the prompt. In rhetoric, we are often tasked with making argument we personally disagree with.  What I have written so far is mostly background and answering the "so what" question. Please check back  when the argument is completed later this week if you care to.

The prompt is: "What are the advantages for people of privilege (in terms of gender, race, ability, nation, etc.) to work to end sexist, racist, ableist, or nationalist discrimination and oppression? What evidence and logic can you use to convince men to be allies to women? White people to be allies to people of color? Nondisabled people to be allies to people with disabilities? Women from the U.S. to be allies to women from the global South?What does being an ally mean? Refer to relevant readings, and draw on the theoretical frameworks used in this course."
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Quote from: justmeinoz on July 14, 2012, 07:58:18 AM
I have just finished a Semester of 'Gender, Power and Change' so it all sounds very familiar. Until the male-dominated, heteronormative gender order is replaced with something more equitable, men will be short changed by society too, and never be able to see their own potential.

Yes this is the essence of my argument. For more insight,  the"I am not a rapist" article is available online.  http://www.unc.edu/~kbm/SOCI10Spring2004/stoltenberg.pdf It refers to a group of Duke man who formed an organization to fight sexual assaults on women.
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AbraCadabra

Thanks for the kind riposte, yet why do I think the question/argument sounds to me a bit like:
"Why should bicycles be rode?" ... Kind of self-evident – to me.


So now, "What evidence and logic can you use to convince men to be allies to women?"

Somewhat self-evident to me also, lest we want to create all offsprings by rape, and by that imply to support a breakdown of culture as it stands.

Sorry, I am not the academic-type and ought to shut up rather than mixing with this highfaluting inquiry, but you did have me intrigued by this "banter" :)

Axélle

Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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justmeinoz

I am looking forward to next Semester.  "Sex and Bodies" sounded interesting ;) but after scanning the selected readings , not in the way I had hoped. :laugh:
Where the lecturer takes us is another matter entirely though.  She is very independent.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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UCBerkeleyPostop

#11
Here is my close to final draft:

              This discussion will focus on how men--even the most privileged among them such as those presumably mostly  middle and upper class, mostly heterosexual white men attending Duke University mentioned in an essay we will look at--can benefit from becoming allies to women.  But before we begin this discussion, let us define what an ally is and some of the implications involved in becoming an "ally to women."
               
              One dictionary definition of an ally is "a person, group, or nation that is associated with another or others for some common cause or purpose" and that pretty much sums up what being an ally is all about: joining together for some common cause. (dictionary.com) Straight people can ally with gays and lesbians to support gay rights issues such as supporting same-sex marriage and opposing "don't ask don't tell." Because of the support of allies, (recently Obama became an ally) same sex marriage will become a reality soon, at least in most "blue" states and, of course, the fight to repeal DADT has been won. Cisgendered folk can ally with transgendered men and women to support rights for transpeople.  Maryland recently became the latest of several states to add "gender status" to the list of protected classifications regarding housing and employment discrimination and such depending, of course, on ally support. (Transgender folk are one of the few or perhaps the only minority who do not have a single voice in the US Congress so that movement depends strongly, even almost exclusively on allies.)  So in the same way that straights ally with gays and cis with trans, white men can and should ally with women. But does becoming an ally to women make a man a feminist? Should men who ally with women call themselves feminists? I found some interesting discussions on this.
              Blogger "kobeski," a man, makes an argument that men who ally with women should not declare themselves feminist because the act of doing so asserts male privilege.(kobeski) He bases some of his views on an article written by Chris Clarke, another male ally, who declares in "Why I am not a feminist" that "I am a sympathizer. I am a fellow traveler. At my best, I am an ally. But I am a member of the class against which feminism is aimed. I can do my best to be a traitor to that class." He writes that  when he read Cherrie Moraga and Gloria Anzaldua's This Bridge Called My Back, he became an ally to the Chicana/o cause.  Should he then call himself a Chicano? Of course not.  (Clarke) Did white civil rights workers in the 1960s call themselves "negroes" or "colored folk?"  Whether or not men should label themselves feminists is open to further discussion. Now I mentioned earlier that men allying with women would presumably benefit women. There are arguments to the contrary: that men should just stay out of the equation, they are the oppressors after all. So before we look at how male allies can benefit themselves, let us take a brief look at how their alliance might benefit women.
           In Men Speak Out :Views on Gender, Sex and Power,  Shira Tarrant refutes the argument that men should be excluded by contending  that the inclusion of men benefits the feminist movement in several ways. First, including men as allies breaks down the traditional binary gender construct "where feminist equals female, and where it therefore becomes extremely strange or weird to think of a man as being a feminist." In addition, the exclusion of men leaves out some trans, gender queer and intersexed people.  Furthermore, the authors point out, there is strength in numbers, and lastly, allying with men brings in people who were directly involved with "with sexist practices and institutions, such as hardcore pornography, gender discrimination, or violence against women" and men "can be helpful in exposing and critiquing these practices." (Tarrant 108) Conclusion: including men as allies benefits the women's movement.  Before we look at how becoming an ally to women works in men's own self-interest, let us look briefly at the system that men (and women) have to deal with as it is today: the system of patriarchy.
        In '"Patriarchy, the System,"   Allan G. Johnson likens patriarchy to a Monopoly game. Players are doled out property and build their little empires by acquiring properties, developing them with hotels and charging rent. The goal of the game is be able to develop properties to the (Clarke)when they land on your property and are unable to pay. Johnson says he stopped playing the game because he does not like the way it makes him feel.  Like Monopoly, patriarchy is an artificial construct that is about "standards of feminine beauty and masculine toughness...the 'naturalness' of male aggression, competition and dominance and of female caring, cooperation and subordination." (Okazawa-Rey 34) Some would call this system hegemonic. Like Monopoly, the system produces winners and losers but unlike Monopoly, where there is one winner and a handful of losers, patriarchal capitalism sets up very few winners and a multitude of losers.  We are all familiar with the concept of the 99% who control most of the wealth but I recall that recently economist Paul Krugman wrote that .1% control most of the wealth. We might define the .1% as winners except that one has to wonder if the Wall Street tycoon who lusts for a new yacht like he lusts (Buddhists would call this suffering) for a new "Trophy Wife" is really happy. In the end, patriarchal capitalism benefits almost no one, so that is one reason that it is in men's interest to help change this rigged game, there are others.
       The other arguments I found to support my thesis are that male alliance empowers men as outlined by Stoltenberg and that involvement in the feminist cause helps men fight systematic oppression that affects all of us (at least the 99.9%) as argued by Brandon Arber in "It's Just Common Sense," an essay in the aforementioned Men Speak Out : Views on Gender, Sex and Power.  First, we will discuss Stoltenberg.
      In "I Am Not a Rapist! Why College Guys Are Confronting Sexual Violence" John Stoltenberg paints a fascinating portrait of Duke University men who decide to organize against sexual violence towards women.  Stoltenberg interviews several students who explain how taking a stand against rape empowers them. Andy Moose, a 21-year-old English major, says that he began to "really reflect about how I felt about a lot of emotional and personal issues that I had not spent much time thinking about before." And goes on to say that the driving force for him was the "personal gains that I see possible for people working with these issues." Eric Fink, 22, a psychology major and a woman's studies minor reveals that "I feel like five in people with penises. The subject again from the women's movement, a lot today: being able to be exactly who you are without having to the man in the traditional sense. My sense of masculinity mostly came from where everybody else's does, TV – – chicks will dig.. But I did not want to be this macho guy. Carleton Leftwich, a 25-year-old premed student: "I never could identify with what straight was – – this rugby playing kind of rough-and-tumble guy always having to prove that I was macho – – so I just automatically thought that I had to begin, because I was very sensitive and I love classical music." Further evidence needs to be gathered but it appears just from this little vignette that many men, maybe most men, feel that they do not fit the typical macho male stereotype and that their alliance with women helps them get in touch with their true masculine and in this empowers them. (Kirk and Okazawa-Rey 270,271)
          In his captivating essay "It's Just Common Sense," from the book Men Speak Out: Views on Gender, Sex and Power, the author Brandon Arber introduces himself as a "a college athlete... a beneficiary of white, upper-middle class male privilege and access" who feels that most of his male colleagues still view feminism as a "dirty word from the locker-room to the boardrooms that are still dominated by men." Arber sees oppression against men and women as systemic and "that fighting for women's rights was synonymous with fighting injustice in general." Arber "aspire(s) to more pragmatic, humanist values: caring for all people and using reason to bring about a better world." great potential for men as allies as even men see themselves "as victims of prejudice by virtue of being black, Asian, Muslim, or Jewish". Furthermore, he opines that "whether we know about it or not, most of us probably have had a friend, girlfriend, sister, mother, or wife who was abused or sexually assaulted at some point in her life" Arber concludes: "When we need to make decisions either in our own private lives, or regarding public policy, a feminist perspective has to be a viable option. Because when it's time to dig in, we are going to want the true feminist majority behind us...It's just common sense."
             The women's movement could use more allies like the students at Duke and Brandon Arber. As the evidence clearly shows that it is in men's own self-interest to become allies, it is likely that more and more men will do so.
                                                        Works Cited       
Clarke, Chris. fault line.org. 27 March 2006. http://faultline.org/site/comments/why_i_am_not_a_feminist/. 11 July 2012.
Tarrant, Shira. Men Speak Out: Views on Gender, Sex and Power. Ebsco Host: Routledge, 2007. ebook.
Kirk, Gwen and Margo Okazawa-Rey. Women's Lives: Multicultural Perspectives. New York, New York: The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc., 2007.
Kobeski. So You Wanna Be an Ally? 16 Jan. 2012. http://demandnothing.org/so-you-wanna-be-an-ally/. 11 July 2012.





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UCBerkeleyPostop

I posted this essay at another website and the author of Men Speak Out :Views on Gender, Sex and Power Sheila Tarrant posted on the thread and thanked me for using her book in my essay! Wow!
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