Help- Reducing boob size for ftm or androgyne

[Ryu]

Hi all,

So I've been googling and researching randomly for a really long time on how to make boobs smaller/disappear. Everything says boobs are made of fatty tissue but the prob is I have 8% body fat, 5'2, 18 years old, and weigh about 97 lbs (trying to get to 120 lbs with 7-8% body fat but its takin forever to put on mass) and have been weight lifting and doing for about 2 years, though I've gotten more serious with it this year and have started the mark riptoe's starting strength program 2 months ago.

People say the boobs are noticeable if I'm not binding and I guess even when I bind with an underworks shirt...I think I have a b cup but it looks very firm and perky which might make it appear bigger, and also I think my pec muscles might be contributing to the size. This part I'm not sure on, because while i feel firmness like muscle, there's also squishy stuff which could be gland tissues or something. I wish I could find out if it's fat or not because then I'd have more hope of just getting lower body % and having it reduce in size without chest surgery.

According to what I've read on forums, binding makes the moobs sag, but doesn't make them appear smaller. Also sleeping with a sports bra on is supposed to reduce size too. I've read that eating watermelon, kiwi, broccoli, spinach, kale, nuts, leeks, sweet potatoes, and other T boosting/E inhibiting foods will make them smaller and increase testosterone. I've also begun taking a gaia male libido supplement to boost T.

I came up with an idea today that if I apply cold ice to the moobs for like 15 mins it might shrink permanently. In theory, if ice can shrink a dick it should work for boobs.

I won't be able to start testosterone for a few months though so I'll have to continue trying natural methods to get a masculine appearance.

Basically my question is: If one's body fat % is already low/athletic range then why is there still a b cup? And how to make sure the boobs dont grow anymore or somehow find a way to reduce their size? If I continue to gain muscle mass will they just eventually disappear even if theres no fat but gland tissue?

Thanks for your help, any suggestions are appreciated lots!

[Jeatyn]

If you are athletic with very low body fat and still have moobs I'm afraid it sounds like you have a fair whack of actual breast tissue there, which no amount of exercise, supplements or diet will get rid of.


Also ice doesn't actually shrink a guys dangle...it just makes it scoot back into the body where it's warm and cosy. I can say with certainty that putting ice on your chest will not make it smaller...unless of course you end up with frost bite and they rot off xD but I don't recommend that


Binding can actually break down the breast tissue, a few years ago mine were very large, firm and perky...now they're going the way of empty sacks of skin. It's a massive difference to the porn star look I was sporting before.

[aleon515]

There isn't anything you can do (like you describe) to reduce chest size. The only thing that would reduce them would be reduction surgery. There are androgynes who have done this.
There are other androgynes that have had typical top surgery.


I think doctors , like Garramone, etc. are very sympathetic to people with dysphoria. You don't have to be in therapy for years or really id as ftm. If you are going from B to A, say, you probably really have to have someone who is sensitive to the subject. Though I am not sure why, people go the other way all the time. So perhaps not. Getting covered on insurance is probably another subject.


I believe the body builder women often don't have as big chests. I think they might be taking steriods (even T). I know a ftm who used to take steriods and did not develop that much. Dangerous stuff btw.

I've never heard of the ice thing, but I'd guess whatever changes would be temporary-- low blood flow and would reverse when you heat back up. There are mixed feelings if supplements can do anything.

I don't know but B is considered small. There is nothing to explain as a thin person could easily have this-- this is normal. I am guessing that the tissue in moobs is a specific type of fat, which you won't actually get rid of. The good news is that at your age, they aren't likely to get bigger. The bad news is they won't get smaller. I would think you could hide this with a binder easily and no binder with some layering. I don't mean to minimize your feelings of dysphoria as it doesn't really matter the size as it is something there.


Binding hides or covers your moobs. It does not make them actually smaller, but at your size a binder would be effective. I don't actually like binders and usually layer. I am shorter than you at 5'1" and have a C cup. I can hide them effectively for my comfort, but not really enough to pass.
I think the most effective hide for me is a loose (one size up) button down shirt and "wife beater (ugly term). Some people have used athletic comprehension shirts underneath.


This might be a good thread for the androgyne board, otoh, this subject doesn't usually get many comments in my experience.


--Jay Jay

[Felix]

Binding can change them a lot. Mine got way flattened out (and yes, saggier) within a year or so. I wouldn't set much stock in the other methods you mentioned. Good luck though.

[Ryu]

Hey, thanks everyone for your thoughtful answers. Guess I'll have to save up for surgery if nothing else works or they don't magically disappear/fall off due to icing haha.

I'll be starting T in a couple of months hopefully so maybe that'll help at least make this body more masculine so I'm not thinking about the chest issue so much.

[Adam (birkin)]

I'll be starting T in a couple of months hopefully so maybe that'll help at least make this body more masculine so I'm not thinking about the chest issue so much.

I hope that's the case, but I know that a number of people have had the opposite happen. I'm definitely one of them.

[aleon515]

One thing that someone who is androgyne can't do is take T for a few months. Well you can do this, and people do this, but if you want to move your fat around to change to a more androgynous look. It won't help because if you go off, that's one effect that goes away pretty fast (in most people).


--Jay jay

[Berserk]

Hi all,

So I've been googling and researching randomly for a really long time on how to make boobs smaller/disappear. Everything says boobs are made of fatty tissue but the prob is I have 8% body fat, 5'2, 18 years old, and weigh about 97 lbs (trying to get to 120 lbs with 7-8% body fat but its takin forever to put on mass) and have been weight lifting and doing for about 2 years, though I've gotten more serious with it this year and have started the mark riptoe's starting strength program 2 months ago.

People say the boobs are noticeable if I'm not binding and I guess even when I bind with an underworks shirt...I think I have a b cup but it looks very firm and perky which might make it appear bigger, and also I think my pec muscles might be contributing to the size. This part I'm not sure on, because while i feel firmness like muscle, there's also squishy stuff which could be gland tissues or something. I wish I could find out if it's fat or not because then I'd have more hope of just getting lower body % and having it reduce in size without chest surgery.

According to what I've read on forums, binding makes the moobs sag, but doesn't make them appear smaller. Also sleeping with a sports bra on is supposed to reduce size too. I've read that eating watermelon, kiwi, broccoli, spinach, kale, nuts, leeks, sweet potatoes, and other T boosting/E inhibiting foods will make them smaller and increase testosterone. I've also begun taking a gaia male libido supplement to boost T.

I came up with an idea today that if I apply cold ice to the moobs for like 15 mins it might shrink permanently. In theory, if ice can shrink a dick it should work for boobs.

I won't be able to start testosterone for a few months though so I'll have to continue trying natural methods to get a masculine appearance.

Basically my question is: If one's body fat % is already low/athletic range then why is there still a b cup? And how to make sure the boobs dont grow anymore or somehow find a way to reduce their size? If I continue to gain muscle mass will they just eventually disappear even if theres no fat but gland tissue?

Thanks for your help, any suggestions are appreciated lots!

Somebody really needs to sticky an informative thread about this, because people keep mistakenly thinking that they can reduce breast tissue "naturally." It is not possible unless you're a small A cup and increase pectoral mass significantly. Breast fat is not treated the same way by the body as fat elsewhere on the body. The body sees it as essential fat "necessary to the female body" and it will not get rid of it entirely even if a person is starving themselves for months on end. Female body builders who have a decrease in visible breast tissue achieve that by A) already having smaller breasts to begin with B) HGH/testosterone supplements. You won't see this happening in all-natural female bodybuilders.

Increasing pectoral mass with anything higher than a low/mid A cup won't change much. It'll still just sit there on top of the muscle. Take it from someone who prayed for years that it would change miraculously, defying all scientific reason (I used to both be a personal trainer and a powerlifter), until I finally had top surgery.

Binding doesn't always make them sag more either. I bound tightly for years and cursed the fact that they were just as "firm" as ever. T will cause them to sag more, since you no longer have female hormones fighting to keep them alive T is the only chance of reducing them without having surgery (unless you're among the lucky few for whom binding does more to make them sag without T).

I hate to discourage you, but all you can do is keep binding with what works best for you, and saving your funds for top surgery (or applying to get funding if you live in a country where the government will fund it).